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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 5, thread TWO****
(THREAD 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216833463)
CSPAN3, for those who have access to that cable channel, will be broadcasting it on TV starting at 2:45 pm EDT.
For those without a TV and/or who are unable to watch (at work or home or if traveling, etc), here are a few of what are many streams that can be used to view/listen to today's session (the major broadcast - ABC, NBC, CBS, and cable networks CNN, MSNBC, etc., and print - WaPo, WSJ, etc., usually stream these as well) -
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)spooky3
(34,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Marthe48
(17,042 posts)n/t
ancianita
(36,145 posts)It was decided by a judge who ruled just cause that a crime's been committed.
crickets
(25,986 posts)dweller
(23,673 posts)My local nbc affiliate just broke away for this announcement and suggested to follow the hearings on their website
duh, there are other channels nbc
watching pbs now
✌🏻
spooky3
(34,484 posts)But ABC and Fox are not.
dweller
(23,673 posts)Went to their 4 pm news
✌🏻
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Haven't checked the NBC/CBS local (Both owned by the same company), as I switched over to PBS.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Because its a Sinclair station.
sinkingfeeling
(51,478 posts)wnylib
(21,642 posts)Sometimes when I have things to do, I listen to NPR for speeches and hearings that they cover, leaving me free to move about. But their frequent interruptions to announce who they are, first nationally, followed by the local station, are frustrating and annoying. Plus, the people who cover hearings often don't stop talking right away when the action starts. Occasionally I've heard NPR broadcasters talk over the people they are covering in order to introduce them to listeners, even though they have just been introduced by the chair of a committee.
So I made time to watch these hearings instead of relying on NPR. It was worth it.
ancianita
(36,145 posts)It's probably the guys they already showed clips of, who were inciting the public:
Marjorie Taylor Greene GA
Gohmert TX
Biggs AZ
Gosar AZ
Gaetz FL
Jordan OH
Mo Brooks AL
Along with, of course, Scott denier Perry.
spooky3
(34,484 posts)ancianita
(36,145 posts)spooky3
(34,484 posts)To see all of them go down in flames.
ancianita
(36,145 posts)These guys are aiders and abetters, and will be charged as such after their leader is first charged.
spooky3
(34,484 posts)spooky3
(34,484 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ancianita
(36,145 posts)When the Senate reconvened at 8 p.m., and the House of Representatives an hour later, the proceedings including the objection debates continued, although some lawmakers who had previously planned to vote with the objectors stood down following the occupation of the Capitol.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)livetohike
(22,165 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)in response to their receipt of a draft lawsuit drawn up outside of DOJ. The TPs would be for explaining to 45.
ancianita
(36,145 posts)I think the writers were Klukoski and Clarke? Not sure.
That neither Barr nor Rosen the DOJ had no need for a special counsel to investigate, nor wished to do so.
Trump still publicly demanded a "strong, fast and fair special counsel IMMEDIATELY."
And wanted Sidney Powell to run that special counsel. Hahaha
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Have a State AG to initiate a federal special prosecutor (delegate).
(state was Louisiana)
Lars39
(26,117 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)wnylib
(21,642 posts)Zelenskyy. Announce an investigation of Hunter Biden. No need to actually investigate. Just announce it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Theater.
"Reality TV".
livetohike
(22,165 posts)Trump on Dec 31,2020. Trump asked them to seize voting machines.
crickets
(25,986 posts)It's like watching a toddler who just can't handle the word NO.
txwhitedove
(3,933 posts)the same question over and over, in various ways, then tries dad, etc, to get desired answer or wear you down.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Donaghue - no authority to seize machines.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)livetohike
(22,165 posts)Fulton County GA.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)defense attorney.
durablend
(7,465 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)MI6 & the CIA too. I'd never heard about this. It's insane.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)dweller
(23,673 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)I don't know how I missed this lunacy, but there was so much going on at the time. Maybe I just blocked it out or something. Thanks for the link!
livetohike
(22,165 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)and then to investigate NM.
Kinzinger describing vote-flipping CT text from Perry /w youtube link
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Was trying to convince him about the "Italian" vote-switching CT.
sinkingfeeling
(51,478 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)In regards to the Italian software vote flipping conspiracy video that Rep. Perry was pushing on Dec. 31- Jan 1.
crickets
(25,986 posts)That name will come up again. That he was even in DOD is mind boggling.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I hope Trump never had a subscription to Weekly World News.
Fucking insane.
Wednesdays
(17,438 posts)Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Rump was editor of the WWN!
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)and back and forth with 45.
Rosen brought up "insubordination".
ancianita
(36,145 posts)They'd already explained the DOJ's role and the policy of contact authority with the WH and president, so their subsequent refusals weren't stonewalling at all.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)(re: threat of being replaced by Clark)
FalloutShelter
(11,881 posts)He is a red as his tie.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)(assuming they are half telling the truth)
FalloutShelter
(11,881 posts)About unloading even if they are ready to lay it down. I think they are being truthful.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)"was preposterous"
Mersky
(4,986 posts)The gall of it good grief.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)with the power plays in the gangster world.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)That detail will nag me. So frustrating and annoying. Clarks a fitting accomplice for tRump. Yeesh.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)spooky3
(34,484 posts)MLAA
(17,338 posts)With White House after Rosen reminded Clark it was against policy for anyone other than Rosen or Donoghue to meet with White House without their explicit permission.
MLAA
(17,338 posts)Only the President could fire him. Donoghue nor Rosen has the authority since he was approved by the Senate.
crickets
(25,986 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)Committees in the past always had Republicans on one side and Democrats on the other side of the Chair.
Justice
(7,188 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)This time there was a Republican on both sides of the Republican.
In the past it was always one party on one side and the other on the other side.
ancianita
(36,145 posts)He wanted to keep the DOJ integral about the truth, its role, or the Constitution.
Jan 4 he called Meadows to see the prez, called Cipollone what was going on, called Steve Engel to come in, asked Donohue and Hovakimian to get the DOJ's senior leadership on a call to let them know .
Hirshman would be going to the meeting, as well.
imo, that Clarke would fire his boss and appoint him to a subordinate was a stupid hot mess.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)was removed.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Five DOJ officials willing to resign...
Lars39
(26,117 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)To the credit of the DOJ that they all were willing to stand or fall together.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Lars39
(26,117 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Diablo del sol
(424 posts)But the aide
behind the committee, dark haired guy, early 30s. In the first couple hearings he had a bushy head of hair. Then got a nice clean haircut. I picture his Mother calling him and telling to get a damn haircut.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)FalloutShelter
(11,881 posts)dweller
(23,673 posts)And a look on his face consistently like I cant believe this insane shit
😵💫
✌🏻
PA_jen
(1,114 posts)Acting AG
Lars39
(26,117 posts)livetohike
(22,165 posts)replacing Rosen with Clark.)
FalloutShelter
(11,881 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)to be confronted by an entire DOJ willing to stand up to him.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Told him they had a lot to lose - in reference to placing Clark in charge of the Department of 115,000 people including the FBI, had never tried any cases, and had never been to Chris Wray's office.
Not going to happen!
MLAA
(17,338 posts)With White House after Rosen reminded Clark it was against policy for anyone other than Rosen or Donoghue to meet with White House without their explicit permission.
MLAA
(17,338 posts)Only the President could fire him. Donoghue nor Rosen has the authority since he was approved by the Senate
Lars39
(26,117 posts)ancianita
(36,145 posts)And mass resignations would ensue (and imo, such that the justice department coiuldn't even do what Clarke wanted in the next 17 days).
Engel convinced them that the whole institution would be a graveyard.
ArnoldLayne
(2,068 posts)FalloutShelter
(11,881 posts)The DOJ would be a graveyard.
WOW
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Source: New York Times
Federal investigators descended on the home of Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official, on Wednesday in connection with the departments sprawling inquiry into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the matter. It remained unclear exactly what the investigators may have been looking for, but Mr. Clark was central to President Donald J. Trumps unsuccessful effort in late 2020 to strong-arm the nations top prosecutors into supporting his claims of election fraud.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Will have 100s and 100s of resignations if this happens.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)Lars39
(26,117 posts)Just horrible how close this all was to happening
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)He's a velvet sledgehammer... minus the velvet. This is gonna leave a mark.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)except a couple dozen decibels louder!
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Lars39
(26,117 posts)ancianita
(36,145 posts)The prez refused and the meeting was over at that point.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)ballots.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I hate that motherfucker. Hate him.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)riot in response to calls from Congress members.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)during the insurrection.
peggysue2
(10,843 posts)It shows the full extent of the pressure campaign to force DOJ to do Trump's bidding to overturn the election. Trump and his cronies didn't care about the law, the Constitution or the role of the Department of Justice. They were willing to use every conspiracy theory in the Universe to underpin their actions. Kudos to the members of the DOJ (after Barr) all of whom were willing to resign including Pat Cipollone, WH Counsel if Trump went through with this scheme, a plan that would have turned the DOJ into a graveyard (professionally speaking).
Jeffrey Clark, the man who reached too high?
He's fish food!
Arkansas Granny
(31,534 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)livetohike
(22,165 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Naming names including Gaetz.
ancianita
(36,145 posts)Mo Brooks calls and asks for him and Matt Gaetz, as confirmed by Hirschman and Biggs, Gohmert and Perry asked according to the prez's special assistant.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)PA_jen
(1,114 posts)election
livetohike
(22,165 posts)members who were at the Dec21 meeting. Gaetz, Brooks. Jordan talked about a pardon but didnt ask for one. Gohmert asked for one.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)Marthe48
(17,042 posts)I think it is all put on, as needs be. He didn't understand what makes real public servants tick, or his coup might have worked.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,923 posts)cloudboy07
(351 posts)most dictators prefer to --- but not say !
ymetca
(1,182 posts)was running around the White House with his dick out, for all to see.
We had a mad man at the helm.
At this point, who cares if someone thinks he might get off. Put that fucker on the stand and he'll do himself in.
TFG still thinks we need him on that wall. That's his Achilles' heel.