General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRon Brownstein: America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good
Link to tweet
Ronald Brownstein
@RonBrownstein
·
Follow
After decades of converging thru mid-20th century, the differences among states are rapidly widening again-to the point where they may qualify as the red nation & blue nation. An exclusive look at an important new analysis quantifying the chasm.
theatlantic.com
America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good
The great convergence of the mid-20th century may have been an anomaly.
6:48 AM · Jun 24, 2022
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/06/red-and-blue-state-divide-is-growing-michael-podhorzer-newsletter/661377/
No paywall
https://archive.ph/RKz6g
It may be time to stop talking about red and blue America. Thats the provocative conclusion of Michael Podhorzer, a longtime political strategist for labor unions and the chair of the Analyst Institute, a collaborative of progressive groups that studies elections. In a private newsletter that he writes for a small group of activists, Podhorzer recently laid out a detailed case for thinking of the two blocs as fundamentally different nations uneasily sharing the same geographic space.
When we think about the United States, we make the essential error of imagining it as a single nation, a marbled mix of Red and Blue people, Podhorzer writes. But in truth, we have never been one nation. We are more like a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation. This is not a metaphor; it is a geographic and historical reality.
To Podhorzer, the growing divisions between red and blue states represent a reversion to the lines of separation through much of the nations history. The differences among states in the Donald Trump era, he writes, are very similar, both geographically and culturally, to the divides between the Union and the Confederacy. And those dividing lines were largely set at the nations founding, when slave states and free states forged an uneasy alliance to become one nation.
Podhorzer isnt predicting another civil war, exactly. But hes warning that the pressure on the countrys fundamental cohesion is likely to continue ratcheting up in the 2020s. Like other analysts who study democracy, he views the Trump faction that now dominates the Republican Partywhat he terms the MAGA movementas the U.S. equivalent to the authoritarian parties in places such as Hungary and Venezuela. It is a multipronged, fundamentally antidemocratic movement that has built a solidifying base of institutional support through conservative media networks, evangelical churches, wealthy Republican donors, GOP elected officials, paramilitary white-nationalist groups, and a mass public following. And it is determined to impose its policy and social vision on the entire countrywith or without majority support. The structural attacks on our institutions that paved the way for Trumps candidacy will continue to progress, Podhorzer argues, with or without him at the helm.
*snip*
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Without these external catalysts, there would be some drift apart eventually.
However, I think thar drift has been has greatly accelerated by Putlers agitprop over the past 20 years.
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Which may happen when the United States begins its breakup.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)And if this wasn't bad enough, you have far left wingers threatening to go to Nancy Pelosi's house to protest her Fights breaking out all over twitter with some far leftists blaming what tRump did on Dems and saying "I hope we lose it all in November." There are some on the far left who are almost as bad as those on the far right, except the far right attacks us, and the far left attacks us too. Some are angry that the police are not defunded
As much as I hate to say it, ending the draft was probably a mistake. We can now see that without some form of mandatory service to their country many Americans will simply serve themselves and forget about any duty or allegiance to their country. Some may even try to overthrow the government. Especially true in a "melting pot" naturally at risk of tribal divisions and hate but then exploited and magnified by corrupt RW politicians.
Add to that the fact that so many of the veterans of those "just" wars who risked their lives and limbs for their country and contributed to ongoing cohesion have been dying off now for years.
Initech
(100,081 posts)40 years of Limbaugh's brainwashing and then Fox News comes along and finishes the job. There's basically two Americas now: those who watch Fox and those who don't.
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)and fear-mongering.
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)I live in a small town more conservative than not, but everyone manages to co-exist peacefully. No one is getting ready to fight the next civil war. I'll bet that's the way it is in the vast majority of the US.
Too many people are misled by the amount of coverage given to the rw "activists" into thinking they are a significant majority. They are vocal, but they are a minority.
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)BTW did you hear that Roe v. Wade was overturned today by a very small group of *conservative* extremists?
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)There was plenty of talk that the country was coming apart then, too.
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)and you'll feel better.
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)the as-long-as-it-doesn't-affect-me-crowd doesn't get it until it affects them
Nevilledog
(51,125 posts)Ocelot II
(115,747 posts)to be governable under its existing system. I don't know what will happen - not a civil war like the 1860s, but maybe recurring guerilla warfare and sporadic terrorism like The Troubles in Northern Ireland. Maybe someday there will be an actual schism, a breaking apart into several autonomous countries with some kind of alliance - common currency, open borders - something like the EU, maybe. Damned if I know what will or should happen, but this isn't working any more because there are people in power who don't want it to work and are trying to burn the whole thing down.
former9thward
(32,028 posts)Just as China and India are. China of course is a dictatorship and India is a chaotic non-functioning democracy.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Its woefully out of date in many arenas. It wasnt built for a modern democratic nation of 325 million people.
The EC and the Senate are especially problematic.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I can see 4 separate countries forming out of the US and Canada.
Sorry DU Canadians, but if we come apart, you are going to probably lose Alberta, Saskatchewan and maybe Quebec in the fray.
Alberta has its foot halfway out the door of the confederation anyway.
I see a Republic of Cascadia out of CA, WA, OR, BC and AK.
Eastern Canada, NY, New England and the Great Lakes region in another republic.
The South eastern states probably including TX.
The western Rocky Mountain and plains region.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)Quixote1818
(28,947 posts)I think we will make it through this eventually.