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I strongly believe that should be the prominent question put forth to the Supreme Court since one's "feelings" on the issue of abortion is clearly based on one's mythology.
hatrack
(59,587 posts).
Walleye
(31,028 posts)2naSalit
(86,650 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,769 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Even if they think there should be one, they'd just lie about it like they lied about Roe being settled law.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)Amendment.
There can be no "established" religion for the country. Not Catholic, not Episcopalian, not fundamentalist/evangelical Christian.
But that said, there can be overtones of religion built into a law. And it's constitutional until the USSC says it isn't. And with this group, who knows? They may overrule Lemon, and poof! we're the American Taliban.
Emile
(22,791 posts)gab13by13
(21,362 posts)but I heard last night that they do not believe that life begins at conception. I will have to check it out. Did the court make a ruling that violates Jewish religious beliefs?
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)On just this issue. Yesterdays SC ruling stomps on their beliefs and religious freedom.
Im sure someone knows more about this than I do.
Irish_Dem
(47,138 posts)Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)The answers moved me to lifelong atheism.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)that claims the Jewish religion, or a part of it, believes that after 40 days a fetus becomes a person, but that the mother takes precedence over the fetus. In other words the life of the mother takes precedence.
Resource originally created by National Council of Jewish Women St. Louis, adapted with permission. www.ncjw.org
Advocacy Resource
Judaism and Abortion
NCJW works to ensure that every single person can make their own moral
and faith-informed decisions about their body, health, and future. Our
Jewish values compel us to support full access to safe and legal abortion
care as basic health care. Below is a Q&A regarding some common
misconceptions about Judaism and abortion.
Does Jewish law state that life begins at conception?
No, life does not begin at
conception under Jewish law. Sources in the Talmud note that the fetus is mere water
before 40 days of gestation. Following this period, the fetus is considered a physical part of
the pregnant individuals body, not yet having life of its own or independent rights. The fetus
is not viewed as separate from the parents body until birth begins and the first breath of
oxygen into the lungs allows the soul to enter the body.
Does Jewish law assert that it is possible to murder a fetus?
No, Jewish law does not
consider a fetus to be alive. The Torah, Exodus 21:22-23, recounts a story of two men who
are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, resulting in her subsequent miscarriage. The verse
explains that if the only harm done is the miscarriage, then the perpetrator must pay a fine.
However, if the pregnant person is gravely injured, the penalty shall be a life for a life as in
other homicides. The common rabbinical interpretation of this verse is that the men did not
commit murder and that the fetus is not a person. The primary concern is the well-being of
the person who was injured.
According to Jewish law, is abortion health care?
Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that
abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health
of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, health is commonly interpreted to encompass
psychological health as well as physical health. NCJW advocates for abortion access as an
essential component of comprehensive, affordable, confidential, and equitable family
planning, reproductive, sexual health, and maternal health services
.
What does Jewish law say about the rights of the person who is pregnant and the
rights of the fetus?
Judaism values life and affirms that protecting existing life is paramount
at all stages of pregnancy. A fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law and therefore
does not have the same rights as one who is already alive. As such, the interests of the
pregnant individual always come before that of the fetus.
Do abortion bans unduly favor one religious viewpoint over another?
Yes, different
religions believe that human life begins at different stages of development. Science can
explain developmental timelines, but philosophic and religious viewpoints largely determine
what exactly defines life or personhood for each individual. NCJW believes, as the First
Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees, that no one religion should be enshrined in
law or dictate public policy on any issue including abortion.
https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf
we can do it
(12,189 posts)And theres a bingo.
anarch
(6,535 posts)with a strong tendency toward white supremacy
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)..should that matter in a country where there is a separation of church and state? [Would have been my response to Graham..probably adding an expletive ] Yet, with SC ruling it all comes down to the majority on the court whom happen to be Christian. Alito having to reach back to 17century English law is ludicrous--that cannot stand! For 50 yrs Republiklans have been actively changing the dynamic of the SC to overturn Roe v Wade-- they've succeeded! Btw and IMHO their "Christianity" is the antithesis of a man named Jesus.
APRIL 8, 2022
The Religion of the Supreme Court Justices
BY FRANK NEWPORT
In her Senate Judiciary confirmation hearings in March, Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson was asked by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, "What faith are you, by the way?" Jackson replied that she was a nondenominational Protestant.
Jackson, who was confirmed by the Senate on Thursday, will be only the second Protestant on the high court when she joins the court this summer, along with Neil Gorsuch (who is Episcopalian but was raised Catholic). The justice whom Jackson will replace, Stephen Breyer, is Jewish, as is Elena Kagan, who remains on the court. The remaining six justices -- John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Sonia Sotomayor, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett -- are Catholic. Thus, the court will consist of six Catholics, two Protestants, and one Jew
Religion of Supreme Court Justices [Gallup news]
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/391649/religion-supreme-court-justices.aspx&ved=2ahUKEwii59bD1cj4AhV_KkQIHV2OCUkQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw04oCWGWG9d9pDM_F6xcFXt
Solomon
(12,311 posts)Everybody knows God is white. That's why they insist that you be religious.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Vonnegut nailed it. God is out there, but s/he doesn't really give a fuck.
LudwigPastorius
(9,155 posts)Cruelty
XanaDUer2
(10,687 posts)In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)JanLip
(845 posts)And this is my opinion. Watching and listening to those in high places has made me realize they are not representing the Christ in the New Testament. They are doing things that are not in line with the teachings of Christ. In other words they are misrepresenting in his name. If Christ walked the earth right now they would be the ones to crucify him. I know that sounds harsh but thats the way I see it. And I dont like the word religion. Im venting .sorry!