I just don't get it, I guess. Seems like we win either way on Roe being overturned.

[gulliver]

Of course, it's loathsome that a lot of pregnant women who want abortions and the men who don't want to be fathers have lost access to abortion. But that was already happening. The freedom to have an abortion was being whittled down little by little. There's a whole anti-abortion industrial complex dedicated to throwing a monkey wrench into the works of that freedom. There are propaganda outlets masquerading as clinics. There were protests outside clinics and violence. People were already having to go to freedom-respecting states to get abortions, at great cost and inconvenience.

Roe also distorted the Supreme Court. Look at how warped it is now. Reminds me of the Presidency under Trump (and Bush before him). Reminds me of the country.

Imo, the overturning of Roe is most likely a chance for the fever to finally break. We didn't want it, but there it is. The voters, who are strongly pro-choice, can now overwhelmingly choose pro-choice. There's never been a stronger reason to vote Dem. There's seldom been a better demonstration that democracy is a good thing.

[XanaDUer2]

1. The dog finally caught the car nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Nevilledog]

18. +1

[llashram]

3. well the conservative

witch-burning and torturing white male and his lackeys are temporarily raising hell with all women in telling her she is property again and he is back in charge. And can damm well do as he pleases with the uterus and body of all women. Will force contraception on many until even condoms are outlawed to white women, more white babies you see...Black women will be directed to them, they hope for fewer babies of colour. Yes, it's a racial-white supremacy effort to regain a majority along with "putting women back in their place". Right idiots on the RW extreme-mainstream? Wrong. There will be hell to pay because you think he will stop there? No. Civil and Voting Rights Acts 64-65 are on the chopping block, quietly now. But just wait.

Yet I still believe Americans with good hearts will stop this slide toward a fascist theocracy. Period.

[jmbar2]

4. I had a similar thought

Now that they have "won" their progun and abortion ban campaigns, those campaigns have lost some of their attraction.

They will surely go after other hot issues, but those were the two biggest. I doubt that any others will capture their evil hearts in the same way.

The dog, indeed, finally caught the car. Hope it gets run over.

[PTWB]

9. The wedge issues will stay the same.

The marketing tag lines will change (maybe, slightly).

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. A win either way? Tell that to a woman who has been raped and cant get an abortion now.

Tell that to the women who were sitting in clinics yesterday and were told to go home because Roe has been overturned.

There is NOTHING winning about this IMO. You may, of course, disagree.

[chowder66]

6. +1000

[treestar]

13. on a political level

not personal, true, but on the level of right wing interest and power.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

7. Win? All the unwanted babies that will be born is a win?

You have a very odd definition of win.

[Ocelot II]

8. Susan Sarandon is finally getting her revolution?

I see your point, but even if we can eventually turn it all around somehow, in the meantime there will be a whole lot of suffering, and I see nothing to rejoice over. I also fear that, having achieved this goal, their next target will be LGTB people. Retrograde states will enact laws that blatantly and overtly outlaw same-sex marriage in defiance of Obergefell to ensure that the issue goes back to the not-so-supreme court. Notwithstanding the declaration in Alito's opinion in Dobbs that other privacy cases were not on the block, Thomas' concurring opinion suggests otherwise. And since the Trump appointees lied through their teeth about their respect for precedent, we might assume Alito was lying too.

[Hortensis]

10. Absolutely. After the orgy of grief, consideration of what else loss of Roe means.

Gloria Steinem's calling for using this to finally pass the ERA.

Just maybe more young people will vote, and vote smarter than they would have. Younger cohorts have always been remiss as a whole, apparently still seeing voting as what parents and old people do well into their 30s. Not to count on it immediately. Things have to become "real" to shake up established attitudes.

[fishwax]

11. don't forget how hard (and effectively) the right has been working to circumvent democracy, gulliver

Your post assumes an election system that functions in such a way that getting more votes at the ballot box actually means something. The right has been very busy trying to make sure that things don't work that way.

If voters go out and overwhelmingly vote pro-choice in the fall, a best case scenario would see us expanding our majority in the house and perhaps securing a slightly bigger majority in the senate. It is certainly possible that we could get a vote or two of cushion in the senate (so that we would no longer need to rely on Manchin and Sinema to get anything done). Of course, the filibuster (unless we go nuclear on that) would still limit much of what we could get done.

Even then, what's to stop this court from hearing another case and, based on a theory of fetal personhood, enacting a nationwide ban on abortion? And, when the presidential election of 2024 rolls around, and republican state officials expand and carry through the plan that failed in 2020, throwing our federal election into turmoil, it's going to be this court that determines whether democracy prevails. I don't know about you, but I don't have much confidence in this court to make the right choice.

So if there is a win to be had from this setback, we've still got a long way to go to secure it. We've got to expand our house and senate majorities, but we've also got to have serious groundswelling in enough 2024 battleground states to protect the integrity of elections with a path to the electoral college. And even that may not be enough, because there's no guarantee that any of the six coservative justices will step down before the 2028 elections.

[tulipsandroses]

12. I don't believe they will ever rest. All the years of work that has gone into this

will not suddenly go poof! They will switch the argument to vote republican, limit democrats from voting to save the fetuses. I don’t think they played the long game for 50 years to just stop at this point. They are still out there protesting today even though they “won” yesterday.

[MineralMan]

14. In an ideal world, you might be correct. However, we do not live in that world.

Instead, we live in a world where things we considered settled are being thrown out. If we actually turn out in huge numbers, we can reverse that, but we don't have much of a history of doing so.

Maybe that will change, but for the time being we have ended the choice of abortion for many people. Will that get corrected? Maybe, but not before many women suffer because of it.

Of course we need to vote for Democrats, but will we? That remains to be seen. We screwed up in 2016 and got Trump and three right-wingers on the SCOTUS. We screwed up in 2010 and got gerrymandered.

Will we screw up again in 2022 and 2024? If we do, we may never get another chance.

This decision by the SCOTUS is pure disaster. There's no way to make it not.

[njhoneybadger]

15. Maybe, we will find out in November.

[sarisataka]

16. As I said recently

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

17. Hopefully, Dems will be this united in November.

But other "breaking news" can intervene. $8 gasoline, U.S. troops at war, another mass shooting at a school, we can easily be distracted from our unity position on Roe, and start in-fighting over the fine points of other issues.

I know the Warnock fundraising campaign has shifted into the next gear.

[2 Meow Momma]

19. Good points if only the voting systems weren't being corrupted as we speak.

If things go down the path they’re on, state legislatures will overturn results they don’t like. Then, the women who are being put at risk will have been sacrificed for nothing and our voices will be silenced.

[Midnight Writer]

20. I'm not seeing a win. They have planted their flag in our territory and I don't see us removing it.

This Court can, and I think will, quickly fulfill the most feverish agenda of the Right Wing, and it cannot be readily overturned, even by a Democratic President or a Democratic Congress.

[ecstatic]

21. Reminds me of how people thought it was great when tfg won the nomination

in 2016.