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(16,248 posts)wnylib
(21,498 posts)I am also pro choice, as is my denomination and others that I know. I also firmly believe that no one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on others by making their beliefs the law of the land.
I am not Catholic. I am not an Evangelical. They have no right to make their beliefs into law.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)'The Young Turks host Ana Kasparian laid into Democrats and former President Barack Obama on a recent episode of the program. During a segment on women's rights and Democrat donor money, she voiced her frustration with Democrats and said the party capitulates on many different issues.'
Link to tweet
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)Preach it!
IA8IT
(5,555 posts)Get your religion out of my life.
DinahMoeHum
(21,795 posts)n/t
OldBaldy1701E
(5,137 posts)To actually stop this. She is correct in that their proclaimed reason is based in religion, and therefore no state law banning abortion can be constitutional because of the First Amendment. I think they need to pursue this line of reasoning with gusto. But, I am certainly not a lawyer, nor would I ever want to immerse myself in the cesspool that is American justice.
Maraya1969
(22,484 posts)around then we could have a definite constitutional argument. But I don't think the conception thing is even in their bible as their bible says life begins when, "God breathed the breath of life into him"
I suppose if it is just one of their beliefs that they have written down then certainly they should not be able to make laws using it. We should have no law based on someone's religion.
multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)They pick and choose then forget what Jesus says and always go back to Paul or OT. They do not like to have it pointed out.
KS Toronado
(17,267 posts)or something similar referring to birth is in the bible 5 or 6 times, but evilgelicals ignore those parts.
So does the "Right to Life" group who pushed for the current mess we're in.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)By which I mean "all" Christians do not support the notion that an actual "human being" with all the same rights as you and l exists from the moment an ovum is fertilized by a sperm,
That is the teaching of the Catholic Church and SOME Protestant groups. NOT all Christians. (And you're right about that not being in the Bible.)
Unfortunately, the Christians who do think that way tend to be the noisiest and draw the most attention to themselves. THEY are not "all" Christians, but people get that impression because the more progressive Christians are all busy minding their own business instead of *gag* heckling abortion clinic patients or screaming about some so-called (nonexistent) "right to life."
Mariana
(14,858 posts)The majority of Christian voters in the US cast their ballots for Trump in 2016, and they should not be deprived of their fair share of the credit for this ruling.
BumRushDaShow
(129,133 posts)Um no.
Given that 65% of Americans (per a 2021 Pew Study) self-identified as "Christian", that means the majority religion in the U.S. is "Christian".
So regardless of which party they voted for, the "majority" of the voters for either candidate would have been "Christian" just due to sheer numbers among the electorate.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)As you can see, Trump got 58% of the Protestants' votes, 52% of the Catholics, and 61% of the Mormons. That is the majority of Christians. Therefore, the majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
BumRushDaShow
(129,133 posts)when adding "Protestant" plus "Catholic".
E.g., "58% "Protestant" and then 52% "Catholic" for 45.
Last I heard, "Catholics" are "Christians". So it's being reported/interpreted completely out of context.
This is what they list as "the electorate" -
And then they admit to this -
You also have this -
Which means you have Christians who are not "regular church goers" who DIDN'T vote for 45 but that didn't get reflected in that chart (and I expect a large number of Christians are not "regular church goers" but support their churches regardless and sure as hell didn't vote for 45).
So no, it's not saying "how the Christians voted". It is telling you who the exit poll responders self-identified as and how they voted, and given that Clinton had 3 million more popular votes, the small percentages of "unaffiliated" and "other" that they indicated in the electorate (about 26% total), wouldn't have been enough to make up for the popular vote differential without a significant "Christian" component.
oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)What's odd to me is how so many "evangelicals" voted for trump in '20 when he had shown, for 4 years, to probably be the LEAST Christian president in the history of this country.
BumRushDaShow
(129,133 posts)but that one chart shows a % of "Protestant/other Christian" on one row and then shows a % "Catholic" row, where really, "Catholics" are "other Christian". So you don't know what the "total Christian" % (all sects) was unless "Catholic" is actually being rolled into that top row as the "other Christian" designation, and should have been indented as a breakdown group.
And in the case of the Evangelicals, they are usually the "do as I say, not what I do" crowd. So after decades of getting "lip service" from Nixon ( "Religious Right" ), Raygun ( "Moral Majority" ) and Poppy/Shrub ( "Christian Coalition" ), they finally found someone disinterested enough to let their genie out of the bottle in order to scrape up votes, and hope to keep them for 2020.
There's a good article about this here - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/billy-graham-evangelicals-and-american-presidency/
oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,133 posts)I grew up in a neighborhood that had everything under the sun living there including Whosoever Gospel and Jehovah's Witnesses and even Hare Krishnas (and yes they would chant around the neighborhood until people complained), and used to live in an apartment building where a couple politicians lived, so...
paleotn
(17,931 posts)The whole rapture thing isn't in the book at all, yet evangelicals are all about it. In my mind, it's the curse of monotheism. There's one god, they've got the inside track and their god commands them to make the world Christian. Period. EOM. Thus, they have little qualms legislating, adjudicating or if that fails, dictating their religious views by force if necessary. Constitutional separation be damned. Been that way since Paul took a minor Jewish sect and ran with it. Been that way since Mohammad went all L. Ron Hubbard in Mecca and spread Islam by the word AND the sword.
In short, constitutional arguments are irrelevant to them.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,693 posts)The foolish fairy tale believers think they can legislate belief. They're finding out now how foolish that is, too.
LuvJoesPartner
(89 posts)Who are these bible thumpers and why do they want to impose their lifestyle on the rest of the country!!
Fuck off please😡
vlyons
(10,252 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,078 posts)Here in Illinois, there's a candidate for the repuke primary named Sullivan.
Abortion is a major topic of the ad, as his doe eyed wife sits there admiringly. (She says NOTHING the whole ad.)
Anyway, near the end he says something to the effect of "I'll never be ashamed of my faith."
When i see it, i think "I don't want you to be ashamed about it Jesse, i want you to shut up about it!"
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)She looks at him like Nancy looked at Ronnie, and he even looks "to the heavens" at some point in the ad.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)Does he also brag about how "pro life" he is? I'm pretty sure I've seen that spot. More than once. *gag*
ProfessorGAC
(65,078 posts)Claims Pritzker wants to turn illinois into an abortion oasis, despite JB saying nothing even close.
Also, uses the words "woke" or "radical left" 3 or 4 times each.
He's a one issue candidate and those haven't done well in this state in the past. Besides Bailey has all the money. (Irvin is toast because i don't see the pukes south of Springfield voting for a black candidate.)
Grandstander Bailey is the likely nominee, but he's now running on his TFG fealty. Not likely to play well north of I-80. You know, where all the people are.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)He's a real peach.
lees1975
(3,861 posts)who believes that America's destiny lies in returning to what he claims are its roots as a Christian nation given to white Europeans to take back a "domain" that satan took away.
I suggest Democrats and independents read up on dominion theology which is the driving force behind their alliance with the GOP.
And then vote against any Republican running for office, down to the dogcatcher.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)The wife is nauseating.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? 4, calling a tail a leg does not make it one. Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one.
TxGuitar
(4,200 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)The poster means that only non-Christians would ever behave that way, because Christians are better than non-Christians.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)They must be something else. Are they atheists? Are they secretly followers of some other religion? Please do enlighten us.
lees1975
(3,861 posts)Google dominion theology, or, better yet, read this article from the [link:https://www.texasobserver.org/dominion-theology/| Texas Observer or this one from [link:https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/how-doctrine-and-theology-of-american.html| Signal Press.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)IronLionZion
(45,462 posts)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So religion should not be used to write laws or judge court cases.
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)the same way they cherry pick what's in their bible
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)TheRickles
(2,067 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)who are Democratic Christians...trashing.
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ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)I'm so sick of people who assume "christianity" is just a great big monolith, and that ALL Christians believe ALL the exact same things and want to use their own beliefs to control everyone else's lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
And it's not just a matter of Catholic vs. Protestant. The latter is a huge tent that takes In groups with a very wide range of beliefs and practices, from the "evilgelicals" t.hat want to outlaw abortions for everyone just because THEY think it's wrong to very progressive denominations like the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ who support a woman's right to choose and everyone's right to love and marry who they want.
Unfortunately, when people decide to hate all forms of religion or just Christianity in particular, they don't usually bother to inform themselves about ALL the people and groups they've decided to hate. If they did, I think some of them might get a few surprises.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)of bigotry and insulting.
Polybius
(15,440 posts)Justice Democrats like her and Krystal Ball just happen to be my type on the outside. Not so much on the inside, however.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)And also support a womans right to choose.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,444 posts)Wednesdays
(17,383 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)The Young Turks (TYT) is an American progressive[7][8] and left-wing[9][10] news commentary show on YouTube that additionally appears on selected television channels. TYT serves as the flagship program of the TYT Network, a multi-channel network of associated web series focusing on news and current events. TYT covers politics, lifestyle, pop culture, science, sport and other social topics.[11][12] The program was created by Cenk Uygur, Ben Mankiewicz, and Dave Koller. Currently co-hosted by Uygur and Ana Kasparian,[13] it is also often accompanied by various other in-studio contributors. The Young Turks began as a radio program that premiered on February 14, 2002, on Sirius Satellite Radio before launching a web series component in 2005 on YouTube; it was later carried on Air America.
Just sayin': In a May 5th 2022 online article from the New York Post website, she has said she is done with the entire Democratic Party, including The Squad because of the perceived inaction over Roe V. Wade when this story first broke last month. (I won't link The NY Post here, but you can find it easily on Google.) She also says this is only HER personal stance, not that of her employers TYT.
Also, TYT may not not be the apple of some moderate/conservative eyes, perhaps including Democrats. I'm neutral - they do break some real good news/opinion there at times. And IMHO they do go way overboard at times too. Of coarse YMMV.
#GOTV2022
#VOTEBLUE2022
multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)I love Dr. Richie on that channel too.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)to do with Clinton's loss in the General in 16.
imaginary girl
(862 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)And this is puerile anti-religious populist bigotry at its worst.
A poisonous source feeding a poisonous message.
We are better than this.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)IronLionZion
(45,462 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,020 posts)dai13sy
(336 posts)When Ana is on my TV or computer I am listening and today for sure. I tried debating her once. My Husband thought that was hysterical
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)nothing to do with them.
Why do we want them now?
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)They do. They want to be exactly like the Taliban. Kill the infidels, make women their property, and have mandatory prayer thrice daily (and all day Sunday).
After that they'll start their world conquest wars when much blood will be spilled, because their god seems to really get off on blood for some reason.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)Not fan of hers but I agree with her on this entirely.
Just because I don't really like her doesn't mean she isn't absolutely correct.
rainin
(3,011 posts)We taught the kids to tell anyone who asked that we're in between churches and just haven't found a church home. And, people always asked. They wanted to vet us and know if we were good people by what church we attended.
My kids speak freely now. To my knowledge, they haven't suffered any consequences. I'm glad for that, at least.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,850 posts)Even TFG pretended to believe.
The list of atheist politicians in the US is distressingly small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law#United_States
And ... I hope this list omits some, but ...you get my point.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)That's one hell of a minority. Organize that 18% into a Political Action Committee and we'd have politicians kissing our asses for our votes.
It's time to organize.
Justice matters.
(6,934 posts)It's the republiQans only "perceived" path to power aside from rigging elections...
erronis
(15,303 posts)"been in the making for 40 years"
"the anti-abortion project has been the center of the project to take over the US judiciary."
dchill
(38,505 posts)(Fuck the capital "b."
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)sop
(10,205 posts)Republicans maintain only this entitled, aggressive, punitive form of assumed christianity need be consulted when making public policy, completely ignoring the First Amendment's "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." We've allowed them to control our lives using the cudgel of rightwing christianity for too long.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)and would have been more likely to attend a Congregational or Unitarian church than a Catholic or Evangelical Christian one.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,849 posts)For some reason they believe that just because they use the bible to justify their being doesn't mean in any sense that that gives them carte blanche to micromanage my fucking life. By that standard I could easily say I get to micromanage their lives because I wrote some shit back in high school that I believe has relevance today. It actually may or may not. Because I or they don't have any right to micromanage any life beyond mine or their own.
I always found the reasoning behind christians or whatever other religious nonsense anyone espouses that makes them feel that they get to micromanage thousands or even millions of other people's lives, while they cannot even manage their own, to be simultaneously arrogant and monumentally selfish and ridiculous.
Joinfortmill
(14,435 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)czarjak
(11,278 posts)demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,832 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)She was one of those attacking throughout Hillary in 2016 .
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)And Bernie lovers need to get over it. There is too much at stake now. Living in the past, holding onto anger, yelling it wouldn't have been this way if people would've only listened does nothing, 0, zip,to win this war. We need to win now more than ever. We need to cleanse our democracy of these fascists now. We can deal with the other shit later. If we don't do this now, there will never be "other shit" to deal with. It's this kind of bullshit that screwed this party up before and got Nixon elected.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)I dont give shit if shes a repuke, the message in that clip can't be ignored. I don't care if she's a Nazi, the message in that clip can't be ignored. There is only one party, one ideology out there in our political spectrum that supports her message in that clip period. Your argument is playground shit, respectfully.
JI7
(89,252 posts)There is only one party ? well she didn't vote for the Democratic Nominee .
Lecture her .
Yeah, Fuck Christian Anti Choice scumbags. and Fuck Islamic anti choice assholes also as they also oppose abortion rights . And everyone else .
And fuck her for attacking the party that protects choice .
Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)That you expect political perfection, that you refuse to use everything at our disposal to defeat these fucks, I DONT CARE that your historical self righteousness forever damns anyone and everyone who disagrees with you , I DONT CARE that you are so angry and narrow-minded that grudges are more important than progress. lol
JI7
(89,252 posts)Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)I could care less about her politics, her rant was powerful and on point. Satan himself coulda made that rant and Id be high fiving the fucker. You fail to realize where we are at. Cling to your anger and frustration all you want. You're doing nothing to defeat these fucks except helping them win
JI7
(89,252 posts)2020 either .
Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)Because a powerful message came out of the mouth of the enemy all of us that support that message should say fuck that message. because that message comes from a woman, a woman we may not agree with politically, but a woman, a real woman. Seriously how fucked up is it to not respect all women man! Did the thought not cross your mind that shes speaking as a woman? I dont give a fuck if shes a nazi, the rant was righteous.
GoodRaisin
(8,924 posts)What do you propose to do now?
We lost this war over 5 years ago when people who should have known better didnt go vote for Hillary because she just didnt excite them. Apparently, she is one of them? Well, they are excited now, because theyve (weve) got 3 new christofascist extremists sitting in our nations highest court for life taking away our liberty. How do you fix for life now?
This may be in the past but its coming home now. Its a lesson we cant afford to forget.
yardwork
(61,657 posts)Why should I believe her now? I'm suspicious of a person with a history of poor judgment coming up with this, now.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,334 posts)Who plainly said he was getting away with it.
Sympthsical
(9,076 posts)Because the trial had stuff like evidence and witnesses and laws.
People who thought Twitter commentary is reigning reality were surprised, though.
But that's kind of on them.
betsuni
(25,544 posts)At least Cenk voted for Hillary because he wasn't dumb enough to actually believe all of the TYT hateful propaganda against Democrats. Ana's religious-like belief in the fictional conspiracy theory Hillary Satan was quite something.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)She speaks for ME!!!
Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)to be with a woman that's a bit jealous of her because I said I love her the first time I saw this lol (its an inside joke, she said she loved her too and I got jealous lmao). Seriously though, how much more spot on can you be.
rubbersole
(6,702 posts)Marry me!
Spot on! Preach it!
lees1975
(3,861 posts)America's founding fathers, in separating all religious practice including Christianity, from its representative democracy, actually set the Christian church free to be exactly what Jesus intended it to be. Now false apostles and prophets are putting on a veneer of Christianity with the intention of using it for their own purposes and for their own benefit. The alliance between the Christian right and right wing Republican politics, which is the domain of the prosperous and exists to expand their prosperity, will eventually unravel and fall apart. But not before this aberration of the Christian faith is used to its fullest extend to attempt to destroy a democratic government that is the only major obstacle to complete domination by the richest of the rich.
Regardless of the social issues incorporated into that agenda and platform to lure Christian voters, the outcome of an election that puts that mixture of reconstructionist, "kingdom now" dominion theology and the wealthy oligarchy closer to control is far, far worse in the mind of this Christian voter than the outcome of an election in which a group of progressive politicians favor abortion rights, LGBTQ rights and minority rights that are still not equal with the white, Christian majority in this country. White Christians are still the most privileged, least persecuted Americans. The advance of the rights of ethnic and social minorities has not affected my rights or their status one bit.
This is America. I am free enough to choose not to be offended by her remarks. Why should I be? She does not agree with my faith, but is willing to defend my right to believe it because this is America.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)It's about control of women and it always has been.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Argh and ramen.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)I don't care! Leave people alone!
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)Owl
(3,642 posts)Emile
(22,792 posts)birdographer
(1,331 posts)I'm always so happy to hear a young woman declare the bible a mythical book. At least some of them are smart enough to recognize that. Whenever people use the bible to justify anything, I always want to ask what Harry Potter has to say about it--those books are as qualified to direct our behavior as much as any other work of fiction. (I believe that after this civilization has totally wiped itself out, someone in the next one will unearth a Harry Potter book and from then on Harry Potter will be God.)
llashram
(6,265 posts)a god is a personal decision. The so-called KKKristian of the trump cult can go suck an egg and then go to hell. They are not superior and more and more fall short of the shit spewing from their pieholes as they try to dictate to other Christians and non-believers as to what God wants from us. Their trump cult hypocrisy stinks. To think a sexual predator conman thief grifter can be the Evangelicals jesus2 is astounding if one knows the Bible.
I don't care if you call yourself a Christian either. I have my faith yet it is a personal choice that I have to SOMETIMES help me wade through the lies of the RW religious hypocrites on some days. If there is a celestial justice, I hope to see it. The evangelical, according to the Bible will say"lord did we not preach and profess faith in your name" and the Lord God will say to them "depart from me I NEVER KNEW YOU.
That's all I know happens to religious trump cultists, according to their interpretation of that holy book.
They are no better than any extremist in EVERY religion that will kill in the name of their god as they are doing in the overturning of a necessary medical procedure that saves misery, grief and lives.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I have relatives who have decided to cut their right wing christian relatives out of their wills. They refuse to reward bad behavior.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)dalton99a
(81,526 posts)BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)If they spent less time attacking Democrats and more time attacking Republicans, we'd all be in a much better place.