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I. Don't. Care. If. You're. Christian. (Original Post) demmiblue Jun 2022 OP
I agree with her Deuxcents Jun 2022 #1
Same! Rebl2 Jun 2022 #8
So do I and I am a member of a Christian church. wnylib Jun 2022 #52
Oh yeah...she is just great for sure... Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #98
I love her! Laffy Kat Jun 2022 #2
I. Don't. Care. If. You're. Christian. You're. Not. God. Piss. Off. IA8IT Jun 2022 #3
My Body, My Choice. I. AM. THE. LAW. DinahMoeHum Jun 2022 #31
I am kind of hoping that we can use the concept of the First Amendment OldBaldy1701E Jun 2022 #4
If there was a way to connect Christianity with "life at conception" which is what they all rally Maraya1969 Jun 2022 #12
True that. multigraincracker Jun 2022 #27
It's my understanding that "God breathed the breath of life into him" KS Toronado Jun 2022 #30
"All" Christians do NOT believe "life begins at conception." ShazzieB Jun 2022 #60
Unfortunately, the Christians who do think that way Mariana Jun 2022 #65
"The majority of Christian voters in the US cast their ballots for Trump in 2016" BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #104
None of that says how the Christians VOTED. This does: Mariana Jun 2022 #106
That chart's percentages are totaling over 100% BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #108
It says "other Christian"; so that means "not catholic'. oldsoftie Jun 2022 #110
Yes BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #113
I've met a few of those in my life. And of course politicians too oldsoftie Jun 2022 #115
Same here. BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #117
Doesn't have to be in the book specifically..... paleotn Jun 2022 #62
Wow! She said a mouthful. Love it! 🥰 secondwind Jun 2022 #5
She's right! No establishment of religion. 1st amendment. lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #6
That's what I'm talking about LuvJoesPartner Jun 2022 #7
My sentiments exactly vlyons Jun 2022 #9
Reminds Me Of Something ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #10
Those ads are annoying as hell. 3catwoman3 Jun 2022 #17
You mean like how Pence looked at trump? Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #38
I think I've seen those ads. ShazzieB Jun 2022 #48
Over & Over ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #55
That's the guy whose ads I saw all right. ShazzieB Jun 2022 #61
Sullivan is a dominion theology advocate, a "Kingdom Now" follower lees1975 Jun 2022 #81
I despise those ads. murielm99 Jun 2022 #101
These people are not Christians. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #11
No true Scotsman TxGuitar Jun 2022 #14
And profoundly bigoted. Mariana Jun 2022 #67
If they aren't Christians, what are they, exactly? Mariana Jun 2022 #66
They are pseudo-Christian dominionists and reconstructionists lees1975 Jun 2022 #83
Both of those stories say they are Christians. nt. Mariana Jun 2022 #94
The constitution explicitly forbids a state religion IronLionZion Jun 2022 #13
They cherry pick what's in the Constitution Rural_Progressive Jun 2022 #39
Right on! Who is she, I would like to see more? Pepsidog Jun 2022 #15
Ana Kasparian of The Young Turks, with Cenk Uygur. TheRickles Jun 2022 #18
Justice Democrats...can't stand her or Cent. And I find this entire post insulting to those of us Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2022 #46
It is insulting. ShazzieB Jun 2022 #54
Excellent post and I agree completely. Some feel entitled to bash all Christians which is a form Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #95
Beautiful though Polybius Jun 2022 #69
Their insides are rotten for sure. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #96
There are many MILLIONS of Christians who DIDNT vote for trump oldsoftie Jun 2022 #111
I listened to Young Turks years ago. Thanks Pepsidog Jun 2022 #63
Ana Kasparian LuckyCharms Jun 2022 #20
Ana Kasparian, one of the hosts of The Young Turks. nt Wednesdays Jun 2022 #21
Ana Kasparian. She is an anchor on The Young Turks (TYT) Podcast/Stream. Tommymac Jun 2022 #26
Type in TYT on YouTube. multigraincracker Jun 2022 #28
Hate Hate the Young Turks...who's mission is to destroy the Democratic Party and who had much Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #42
+100! imaginary girl Jun 2022 #47
+1000 Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #59
No way. Her remarks were spot on and absolutely righteous. Lucky Luciano Jun 2022 #78
Malarky. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #82
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2022 #90
Here's her links to her Youtube channels IronLionZion Jun 2022 #45
Excellent rant! I agree 100%. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #16
She Rocks dai13sy Jun 2022 #19
The Framers had first hand witness to religious wars and wanted... TreasonousBastard Jun 2022 #22
We don't. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #51
Great rant... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #23
It wasn't that long ago when you couldn't say this out loud. rainin Jun 2022 #24
Been there, done that! Lars39 Jun 2022 #25
Seems 99.9% of politicians are people of "faith" CloudWatcher Jun 2022 #29
About 18% of Americans say they're atheists. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #53
K&R and Rachel Maddow's opening June 24th Justice matters. Jun 2022 #32
Excellent summation. erronis Jun 2022 #37
And THAT is more truth than anything in the bible. dchill Jun 2022 #33
What she said!!!!! BigmanPigman Jun 2022 #34
Religionists claim the "founding fathers were all christians" and "America is a christian nation." sop Jun 2022 #35
The founding fathers were diests for the most part TexasBushwhacker Jun 2022 #49
Those religionists lie. nt. Mariana Jun 2022 #68
You just cannot base reality on ancient ramblings from two millennia ago. Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #36
Exactly. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #40
I don't care what you believe and you are a Justice Democrat anyway...trashing. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #43
Don't say Evangelical when you don't know what it actually means. Jesus knaves. czarjak Jun 2022 #44
CAPTIONED video for those with hearing impairments: demmiblue Jun 2022 #50
Thank you for being so thoughtful. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2022 #102
YOU GO ANNA!!/ YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #56
Fuck Her JI7 Jun 2022 #57
Guess she's made her bed... BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #64
You need to get over it Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #72
I vote for the democratic nominee while she didn't JI7 Jun 2022 #73
So her powerful message should be ignored? Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #77
lol, what a joke . What powerful message ? She said nothing that I haven't said . JI7 Jun 2022 #80
I DONT CARE! Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #85
Supporting the democratic nominee is expecting perfection ? JI7 Jun 2022 #86
Its old news man, look at this thread! Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #87
old news ? the current ruling is a result of that. plus she didn't support the democratic nominee in JI7 Jun 2022 #88
Ok, I get it Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #89
Deal with it now? GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #84
She was an unreliable source in the past. She showed very poor judgment in the past. yardwork Jun 2022 #97
She was also a Kyle Rittenhouse defeatist. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #93
Anyone who watched the trial knew that Sympthsical Jun 2022 #99
Her hatred of Hillary was unhinged, practically foaming at the mouth. betsuni Jun 2022 #118
Well said. Very well said. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #58
OMG!!!!! I LOVE IT. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #70
I am so lucky Cheezoholic Jun 2022 #71
Preach sister, preach! n/t rubbersole Jun 2022 #74
Yes! Glaisne Jun 2022 #75
And I. Don't. Care. If. You're. Not. lees1975 Jun 2022 #76
Powerful, I think I love her and she is correct RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2022 #79
May She be touched by His noodly appendages. RocRizzo55 Jun 2022 #91
Agree 100% BlueJac Jun 2022 #92
Put this on bumper stickers and tee shirts! Nt onlyadream Jun 2022 #100
Excellent! Well said. Owl Jun 2022 #103
Excellent rant! Emile Jun 2022 #105
Love it! birdographer Jun 2022 #107
faith in llashram Jun 2022 #109
Relatives are cutting right wingers out of their wills Marthe48 Jun 2022 #112
Sing it, Sister! Iggo Jun 2022 #114
Kick dalton99a Jun 2022 #116
Unfortunately, she and her close associates are a big reason this has happened. BlueCheeseAgain Jun 2022 #119

wnylib

(21,498 posts)
52. So do I and I am a member of a Christian church.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jun 2022

I am also pro choice, as is my denomination and others that I know. I also firmly believe that no one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on others by making their beliefs the law of the land.

I am not Catholic. I am not an Evangelical. They have no right to make their beliefs into law.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
98. Oh yeah...she is just great for sure...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:19 AM
Jun 2022
Here is a few other remarks she made recently...She is awful...and as usual attacks Democrats... I do not now or ever agree with anything this person who only helps Republicans says or does...word vomit. Fuck her.

'The Young Turks host Ana Kasparian laid into Democrats and former President Barack Obama on a recent episode of the program. During a segment on women's rights and Democrat donor money, she voiced her frustration with Democrats and said the party capitulates on many different issues.'




IA8IT

(5,555 posts)
3. I. Don't. Care. If. You're. Christian. You're. Not. God. Piss. Off.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jun 2022

Get your religion out of my life.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,137 posts)
4. I am kind of hoping that we can use the concept of the First Amendment
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jun 2022

To actually stop this. She is correct in that their proclaimed reason is based in religion, and therefore no state law banning abortion can be constitutional because of the First Amendment. I think they need to pursue this line of reasoning with gusto. But, I am certainly not a lawyer, nor would I ever want to immerse myself in the cesspool that is American justice.

Maraya1969

(22,484 posts)
12. If there was a way to connect Christianity with "life at conception" which is what they all rally
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:28 PM
Jun 2022

around then we could have a definite constitutional argument. But I don't think the conception thing is even in their bible as their bible says life begins when, "God breathed the breath of life into him"

I suppose if it is just one of their beliefs that they have written down then certainly they should not be able to make laws using it. We should have no law based on someone's religion.

multigraincracker

(32,690 posts)
27. True that.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jun 2022

They pick and choose then forget what Jesus says and always go back to Paul or OT. They do not like to have it pointed out.

KS Toronado

(17,267 posts)
30. It's my understanding that "God breathed the breath of life into him"
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:00 PM
Jun 2022

or something similar referring to birth is in the bible 5 or 6 times, but evilgelicals ignore those parts.
So does the "Right to Life" group who pushed for the current mess we're in.

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
60. "All" Christians do NOT believe "life begins at conception."
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

By which I mean "all" Christians do not support the notion that an actual "human being" with all the same rights as you and l exists from the moment an ovum is fertilized by a sperm,

That is the teaching of the Catholic Church and SOME Protestant groups. NOT all Christians. (And you're right about that not being in the Bible.)

Unfortunately, the Christians who do think that way tend to be the noisiest and draw the most attention to themselves. THEY are not "all" Christians, but people get that impression because the more progressive Christians are all busy minding their own business instead of *gag* heckling abortion clinic patients or screaming about some so-called (nonexistent) "right to life."

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
65. Unfortunately, the Christians who do think that way
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:25 PM
Jun 2022
tend to be the noisiest and draw the most attention to themselves.

The majority of Christian voters in the US cast their ballots for Trump in 2016, and they should not be deprived of their fair share of the credit for this ruling.

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
104. "The majority of Christian voters in the US cast their ballots for Trump in 2016"
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jun 2022

Um no.

Given that 65% of Americans (per a 2021 Pew Study) self-identified as "Christian", that means the majority religion in the U.S. is "Christian".



So regardless of which party they voted for, the "majority" of the voters for either candidate would have been "Christian" just due to sheer numbers among the electorate.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
106. None of that says how the Christians VOTED. This does:
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:08 AM
Jun 2022

As you can see, Trump got 58% of the Protestants' votes, 52% of the Catholics, and 61% of the Mormons. That is the majority of Christians. Therefore, the majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
108. That chart's percentages are totaling over 100%
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jun 2022

when adding "Protestant" plus "Catholic".

E.g., "58% "Protestant" and then 52% "Catholic" for 45.

Last I heard, "Catholics" are "Christians". So it's being reported/interpreted completely out of context.

This is what they list as "the electorate" -



And then they admit to this -

There is one caveat, however; while exit polling from previous elections shows similarities, direct comparisons between 2016 and previous years are not possible because the wording of the question about religious attendance changed in 2016.


You also have this -

Exit polls also follow another pattern from recent elections: Most weekly churchgoers backed Trump over Clinton, 56% to 40%. Those who said they attend religious services more sporadically (i.e., somewhere between a few times a month and a few times a year) were closely divided. And, those who said they don’t attend religious services at all backed Clinton over Trump by a 31-point margin (62% to 31%).


Which means you have Christians who are not "regular church goers" who DIDN'T vote for 45 but that didn't get reflected in that chart (and I expect a large number of Christians are not "regular church goers" but support their churches regardless and sure as hell didn't vote for 45).



So no, it's not saying "how the Christians voted". It is telling you who the exit poll responders self-identified as and how they voted, and given that Clinton had 3 million more popular votes, the small percentages of "unaffiliated" and "other" that they indicated in the electorate (about 26% total), wouldn't have been enough to make up for the popular vote differential without a significant "Christian" component.

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
110. It says "other Christian"; so that means "not catholic'.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022

What's odd to me is how so many "evangelicals" voted for trump in '20 when he had shown, for 4 years, to probably be the LEAST Christian president in the history of this country.

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
113. Yes
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:10 PM
Jun 2022

but that one chart shows a % of "Protestant/other Christian" on one row and then shows a % "Catholic" row, where really, "Catholics" are "other Christian". So you don't know what the "total Christian" % (all sects) was unless "Catholic" is actually being rolled into that top row as the "other Christian" designation, and should have been indented as a breakdown group.

And in the case of the Evangelicals, they are usually the "do as I say, not what I do" crowd. So after decades of getting "lip service" from Nixon ( "Religious Right" ), Raygun ( "Moral Majority" ) and Poppy/Shrub ( "Christian Coalition" ), they finally found someone disinterested enough to let their genie out of the bottle in order to scrape up votes, and hope to keep them for 2020.

There's a good article about this here - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/billy-graham-evangelicals-and-american-presidency/

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
117. Same here.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jun 2022

I grew up in a neighborhood that had everything under the sun living there including Whosoever Gospel and Jehovah's Witnesses and even Hare Krishnas (and yes they would chant around the neighborhood until people complained), and used to live in an apartment building where a couple politicians lived, so...

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
62. Doesn't have to be in the book specifically.....
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:04 PM
Jun 2022

The whole rapture thing isn't in the book at all, yet evangelicals are all about it. In my mind, it's the curse of monotheism. There's one god, they've got the inside track and their god commands them to make the world Christian. Period. EOM. Thus, they have little qualms legislating, adjudicating or if that fails, dictating their religious views by force if necessary. Constitutional separation be damned. Been that way since Paul took a minor Jewish sect and ran with it. Been that way since Mohammad went all L. Ron Hubbard in Mecca and spread Islam by the word AND the sword.

In short, constitutional arguments are irrelevant to them.

lindysalsagal

(20,693 posts)
6. She's right! No establishment of religion. 1st amendment.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:02 PM
Jun 2022

The foolish fairy tale believers think they can legislate belief. They're finding out now how foolish that is, too.

LuvJoesPartner

(89 posts)
7. That's what I'm talking about
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jun 2022

Who are these bible thumpers and why do they want to impose their lifestyle on the rest of the country!!
Fuck off please😡

ProfessorGAC

(65,078 posts)
10. Reminds Me Of Something
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jun 2022

Here in Illinois, there's a candidate for the repuke primary named Sullivan.
Abortion is a major topic of the ad, as his doe eyed wife sits there admiringly. (She says NOTHING the whole ad.)
Anyway, near the end he says something to the effect of "I'll never be ashamed of my faith."
When i see it, i think "I don't want you to be ashamed about it Jesse, i want you to shut up about it!"

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
17. Those ads are annoying as hell.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jun 2022

She looks at him like Nancy looked at Ronnie, and he even looks "to the heavens" at some point in the ad.

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
48. I think I've seen those ads.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:03 PM
Jun 2022

Does he also brag about how "pro life" he is? I'm pretty sure I've seen that spot. More than once. *gag*

ProfessorGAC

(65,078 posts)
55. Over & Over
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:23 PM
Jun 2022

Claims Pritzker wants to turn illinois into an abortion oasis, despite JB saying nothing even close.
Also, uses the words "woke" or "radical left" 3 or 4 times each.
He's a one issue candidate and those haven't done well in this state in the past. Besides Bailey has all the money. (Irvin is toast because i don't see the pukes south of Springfield voting for a black candidate.)
Grandstander Bailey is the likely nominee, but he's now running on his TFG fealty. Not likely to play well north of I-80. You know, where all the people are.

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
81. Sullivan is a dominion theology advocate, a "Kingdom Now" follower
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:50 AM
Jun 2022

who believes that America's destiny lies in returning to what he claims are its roots as a Christian nation given to white Europeans to take back a "domain" that satan took away.

I suggest Democrats and independents read up on dominion theology which is the driving force behind their alliance with the GOP.

And then vote against any Republican running for office, down to the dogcatcher.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
11. These people are not Christians.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jun 2022

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? 4, calling a tail a leg does not make it one. Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
67. And profoundly bigoted.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

The poster means that only non-Christians would ever behave that way, because Christians are better than non-Christians.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
66. If they aren't Christians, what are they, exactly?
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jun 2022

They must be something else. Are they atheists? Are they secretly followers of some other religion? Please do enlighten us.

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
83. They are pseudo-Christian dominionists and reconstructionists
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:59 AM
Jun 2022

Google dominion theology, or, better yet, read this article from the [link:https://www.texasobserver.org/dominion-theology/| Texas Observer or this one from [link:https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/how-doctrine-and-theology-of-american.html| Signal Press.

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
13. The constitution explicitly forbids a state religion
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:29 PM
Jun 2022

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So religion should not be used to write laws or judge court cases.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
41. Justice Democrats...can't stand her or Cent. And I find this entire post insulting to those of us
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jun 2022

who are Democratic Christians...trashing.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #41)

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
54. It is insulting.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jun 2022

I'm so sick of people who assume "christianity" is just a great big monolith, and that ALL Christians believe ALL the exact same things and want to use their own beliefs to control everyone else's lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

And it's not just a matter of Catholic vs. Protestant. The latter is a huge tent that takes In groups with a very wide range of beliefs and practices, from the "evilgelicals" t.hat want to outlaw abortions for everyone just because THEY think it's wrong to very progressive denominations like the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ who support a woman's right to choose and everyone's right to love and marry who they want.

Unfortunately, when people decide to hate all forms of religion or just Christianity in particular, they don't usually bother to inform themselves about ALL the people and groups they've decided to hate. If they did, I think some of them might get a few surprises.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
95. Excellent post and I agree completely. Some feel entitled to bash all Christians which is a form
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:08 AM
Jun 2022

of bigotry and insulting.

Polybius

(15,440 posts)
69. Beautiful though
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:36 PM
Jun 2022

Justice Democrats like her and Krystal Ball just happen to be my type on the outside. Not so much on the inside, however.

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
111. There are many MILLIONS of Christians who DIDNT vote for trump
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jun 2022

And also support a womans right to choose.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
26. Ana Kasparian. She is an anchor on The Young Turks (TYT) Podcast/Stream.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:47 PM
Jun 2022
https://tyt.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks
The Young Turks (TYT) is an American progressive[7][8] and left-wing[9][10] news commentary show on YouTube that additionally appears on selected television channels. TYT serves as the flagship program of the TYT Network, a multi-channel network of associated web series focusing on news and current events. TYT covers politics, lifestyle, pop culture, science, sport and other social topics.[11][12] The program was created by Cenk Uygur, Ben Mankiewicz, and Dave Koller. Currently co-hosted by Uygur and Ana Kasparian,[13] it is also often accompanied by various other in-studio contributors. The Young Turks began as a radio program that premiered on February 14, 2002, on Sirius Satellite Radio before launching a web series component in 2005 on YouTube; it was later carried on Air America.


Just sayin': In a May 5th 2022 online article from the New York Post website, she has said she is done with the entire Democratic Party, including The Squad because of the perceived inaction over Roe V. Wade when this story first broke last month. (I won't link The NY Post here, but you can find it easily on Google.) She also says this is only HER personal stance, not that of her employers TYT.

Also, TYT may not not be the apple of some moderate/conservative eyes, perhaps including Democrats. I'm neutral - they do break some real good news/opinion there at times. And IMHO they do go way overboard at times too. Of coarse YMMV.



#GOTV2022
#VOTEBLUE2022

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
42. Hate Hate the Young Turks...who's mission is to destroy the Democratic Party and who had much
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:29 PM
Jun 2022

to do with Clinton's loss in the General in 16.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
59. +1000
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:44 PM
Jun 2022

And this is puerile anti-religious populist bigotry at its worst.

A poisonous source feeding a poisonous message.

We are better than this.

dai13sy

(336 posts)
19. She Rocks
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jun 2022

When Ana is on my TV or computer I am listening and today for sure. I tried debating her once. My Husband thought that was hysterical

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
22. The Framers had first hand witness to religious wars and wanted...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jun 2022

nothing to do with them.

Why do we want them now?

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
51. We don't.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:10 PM
Jun 2022

They do. They want to be exactly like the Taliban. Kill the infidels, make women their property, and have mandatory prayer thrice daily (and all day Sunday).
After that they'll start their world conquest wars when much blood will be spilled, because their god seems to really get off on blood for some reason.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
23. Great rant...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jun 2022

Not fan of hers but I agree with her on this entirely.

Just because I don't really like her doesn't mean she isn't absolutely correct.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
24. It wasn't that long ago when you couldn't say this out loud.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:44 PM
Jun 2022

We taught the kids to tell anyone who asked that we're in between churches and just haven't found a church home. And, people always asked. They wanted to vet us and know if we were good people by what church we attended.

My kids speak freely now. To my knowledge, they haven't suffered any consequences. I'm glad for that, at least.

CloudWatcher

(1,850 posts)
29. Seems 99.9% of politicians are people of "faith"
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jun 2022

Even TFG pretended to believe.

The list of atheist politicians in the US is distressingly small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law#United_States

And ... I hope this list omits some, but ...you get my point.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
53. About 18% of Americans say they're atheists.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jun 2022

That's one hell of a minority. Organize that 18% into a Political Action Committee and we'd have politicians kissing our asses for our votes.

It's time to organize.

Justice matters.

(6,934 posts)
32. K&R and Rachel Maddow's opening June 24th
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jun 2022


It's the republiQans only "perceived" path to power aside from rigging elections...

erronis

(15,303 posts)
37. Excellent summation.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:18 PM
Jun 2022

"been in the making for 40 years"

"the anti-abortion project has been the center of the project to take over the US judiciary."

sop

(10,205 posts)
35. Religionists claim the "founding fathers were all christians" and "America is a christian nation."
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jun 2022

Republicans maintain only this entitled, aggressive, punitive form of assumed christianity need be consulted when making public policy, completely ignoring the First Amendment's "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." We've allowed them to control our lives using the cudgel of rightwing christianity for too long.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,204 posts)
49. The founding fathers were diests for the most part
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:06 PM
Jun 2022

and would have been more likely to attend a Congregational or Unitarian church than a Catholic or Evangelical Christian one.

Mr. Evil

(2,849 posts)
36. You just cannot base reality on ancient ramblings from two millennia ago.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jun 2022

For some reason they believe that just because they use the bible to justify their being doesn't mean in any sense that that gives them carte blanche to micromanage my fucking life. By that standard I could easily say I get to micromanage their lives because I wrote some shit back in high school that I believe has relevance today. It actually may or may not. Because I or they don't have any right to micromanage any life beyond mine or their own.

I always found the reasoning behind christians or whatever other religious nonsense anyone espouses that makes them feel that they get to micromanage thousands or even millions of other people's lives, while they cannot even manage their own, to be simultaneously arrogant and monumentally selfish and ridiculous.

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
72. You need to get over it
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:31 PM
Jun 2022

And Bernie lovers need to get over it. There is too much at stake now. Living in the past, holding onto anger, yelling it wouldn't have been this way if people would've only listened does nothing, 0, zip,to win this war. We need to win now more than ever. We need to cleanse our democracy of these fascists now. We can deal with the other shit later. If we don't do this now, there will never be "other shit" to deal with. It's this kind of bullshit that screwed this party up before and got Nixon elected.

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
77. So her powerful message should be ignored?
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:32 AM
Jun 2022

I dont give shit if shes a repuke, the message in that clip can't be ignored. I don't care if she's a Nazi, the message in that clip can't be ignored. There is only one party, one ideology out there in our political spectrum that supports her message in that clip period. Your argument is playground shit, respectfully.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
80. lol, what a joke . What powerful message ? She said nothing that I haven't said .
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:48 AM
Jun 2022

There is only one party ? well she didn't vote for the Democratic Nominee .

Lecture her .

Yeah, Fuck Christian Anti Choice scumbags. and Fuck Islamic anti choice assholes also as they also oppose abortion rights . And everyone else .

And fuck her for attacking the party that protects choice .

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
85. I DONT CARE!
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:57 AM
Jun 2022

That you expect political perfection, that you refuse to use everything at our disposal to defeat these fucks, I DONT CARE that your historical self righteousness forever damns anyone and everyone who disagrees with you , I DONT CARE that you are so angry and narrow-minded that grudges are more important than progress. lol

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
87. Its old news man, look at this thread!
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:05 AM
Jun 2022

I could care less about her politics, her rant was powerful and on point. Satan himself coulda made that rant and Id be high fiving the fucker. You fail to realize where we are at. Cling to your anger and frustration all you want. You're doing nothing to defeat these fucks except helping them win

JI7

(89,252 posts)
88. old news ? the current ruling is a result of that. plus she didn't support the democratic nominee in
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:07 AM
Jun 2022

2020 either .

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
89. Ok, I get it
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:48 AM
Jun 2022

Because a powerful message came out of the mouth of the enemy all of us that support that message should say fuck that message. because that message comes from a woman, a woman we may not agree with politically, but a woman, a real woman. Seriously how fucked up is it to not respect all women man! Did the thought not cross your mind that shes speaking as a woman? I dont give a fuck if shes a nazi, the rant was righteous.

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
84. Deal with it now?
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:32 AM
Jun 2022

What do you propose to do now?

We lost this war over 5 years ago when people who should have known better didn’t go vote for Hillary because she “just didn’t excite them.” Apparently, she is one of them? Well, they are excited now, because they’ve (we’ve) got 3 new christofascist extremists sitting in our nation’s highest court “for life” taking away our liberty. How do you fix “for life” now?

This may be in the past but it’s coming home now. It’s a lesson we can’t afford to forget.

yardwork

(61,657 posts)
97. She was an unreliable source in the past. She showed very poor judgment in the past.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:16 AM
Jun 2022

Why should I believe her now? I'm suspicious of a person with a history of poor judgment coming up with this, now.

Sympthsical

(9,076 posts)
99. Anyone who watched the trial knew that
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:32 AM
Jun 2022

Because the trial had stuff like evidence and witnesses and laws.

People who thought Twitter commentary is reigning reality were surprised, though.

But that's kind of on them.

betsuni

(25,544 posts)
118. Her hatred of Hillary was unhinged, practically foaming at the mouth.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 06:46 PM
Jun 2022

At least Cenk voted for Hillary because he wasn't dumb enough to actually believe all of the TYT hateful propaganda against Democrats. Ana's religious-like belief in the fictional conspiracy theory Hillary Satan was quite something.

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
71. I am so lucky
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:19 PM
Jun 2022

to be with a woman that's a bit jealous of her because I said I love her the first time I saw this lol (its an inside joke, she said she loved her too and I got jealous lmao). Seriously though, how much more spot on can you be.

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
76. And I. Don't. Care. If. You're. Not.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:27 AM
Jun 2022
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/how-doctrine-and-theology-of-american.html

America's founding fathers, in separating all religious practice including Christianity, from its representative democracy, actually set the Christian church free to be exactly what Jesus intended it to be. Now false apostles and prophets are putting on a veneer of Christianity with the intention of using it for their own purposes and for their own benefit. The alliance between the Christian right and right wing Republican politics, which is the domain of the prosperous and exists to expand their prosperity, will eventually unravel and fall apart. But not before this aberration of the Christian faith is used to its fullest extend to attempt to destroy a democratic government that is the only major obstacle to complete domination by the richest of the rich.

Regardless of the social issues incorporated into that agenda and platform to lure Christian voters, the outcome of an election that puts that mixture of reconstructionist, "kingdom now" dominion theology and the wealthy oligarchy closer to control is far, far worse in the mind of this Christian voter than the outcome of an election in which a group of progressive politicians favor abortion rights, LGBTQ rights and minority rights that are still not equal with the white, Christian majority in this country. White Christians are still the most privileged, least persecuted Americans. The advance of the rights of ethnic and social minorities has not affected my rights or their status one bit.

This is America. I am free enough to choose not to be offended by her remarks. Why should I be? She does not agree with my faith, but is willing to defend my right to believe it because this is America.



birdographer

(1,331 posts)
107. Love it!
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jun 2022

I'm always so happy to hear a young woman declare the bible a mythical book. At least some of them are smart enough to recognize that. Whenever people use the bible to justify anything, I always want to ask what Harry Potter has to say about it--those books are as qualified to direct our behavior as much as any other work of fiction. (I believe that after this civilization has totally wiped itself out, someone in the next one will unearth a Harry Potter book and from then on Harry Potter will be God.)

llashram

(6,265 posts)
109. faith in
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jun 2022

a god is a personal decision. The so-called KKKristian of the trump cult can go suck an egg and then go to hell. They are not superior and more and more fall short of the shit spewing from their pieholes as they try to dictate to other Christians and non-believers as to what God wants from us. Their trump cult hypocrisy stinks. To think a sexual predator conman thief grifter can be the Evangelicals jesus2 is astounding if one knows the Bible.

I don't care if you call yourself a Christian either. I have my faith yet it is a personal choice that I have to SOMETIMES help me wade through the lies of the RW religious hypocrites on some days. If there is a celestial justice, I hope to see it. The evangelical, according to the Bible will say"lord did we not preach and profess faith in your name" and the Lord God will say to them "depart from me I NEVER KNEW YOU.

That's all I know happens to religious trump cultists, according to their interpretation of that holy book.

They are no better than any extremist in EVERY religion that will kill in the name of their god as they are doing in the overturning of a necessary medical procedure that saves misery, grief and lives.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
112. Relatives are cutting right wingers out of their wills
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:53 PM
Jun 2022

I have relatives who have decided to cut their right wing christian relatives out of their wills. They refuse to reward bad behavior.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
119. Unfortunately, she and her close associates are a big reason this has happened.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:30 PM
Jun 2022

If they spent less time attacking Democrats and more time attacking Republicans, we'd all be in a much better place.

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