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WiVoter

(909 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:52 PM Jun 2022

Can Supreme Court Judges Be Impeached For

Lying in their confirmation hearings? I mean, there’s many and all types of documentation available. If they can be impeached, I’m sure the chances are infinitely low, but I’m just wondering if this is possible.

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Can Supreme Court Judges Be Impeached For (Original Post) WiVoter Jun 2022 OP
Yes but there does not seem to be any appetite to do so. LonePirate Jun 2022 #1
Exactly. dchill Jun 2022 #9
+1,000! SheltieLover Jun 2022 #13
No they can't be impeached because we don't have enough votes it requires a majority in the house Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #21
House votes to impeach. We have the votes. It's the conviction where we don't have the votes. LonePirate Jun 2022 #29
I doubt every Democrat would vote to impeach Polybius Jun 2022 #36
Short of a confession, it's impossible to prove they lied Amishman Jun 2022 #31
The Senate would never vote to convict even if we did prove it. That's not the point. LonePirate Jun 2022 #32
It will not happen jimfields33 Jun 2022 #2
I Agree SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #5
Absolutely correct. jimfields33 Jun 2022 #7
Even Susan Collins? LakeArenal Jun 2022 #10
Susan's Brain Is Half The Size Of A Normal Brain nt SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #12
yes , its the same requirements you have for a president or another official drray23 Jun 2022 #3
Exactly this. Claustrum Jun 2022 #17
of course not. drray23 Jun 2022 #25
No SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #4
A NY attorney on MSNBC yesterday said that spooky3 Jun 2022 #8
And that would be another lie. dchill Jun 2022 #11
Wasn't President Clinton impeached for lying about a consensual blow job? madinmaryland Jun 2022 #14
I Figured That Would Be The Case WiVoter Jun 2022 #15
They didn't say their beliefs had evolved. Alito said the case was wrongly decided from the get go bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #19
Though none will be removed, impeachment might be the only way Frasier Balzov Jun 2022 #6
nominally, the standard is the same as for the president -- high crimes and misdemeanors. unblock Jun 2022 #16
Honestly, keeping the senate and presidency and hoping nature does it's thing with Claustrum Jun 2022 #18
By how long will that take? Republicans may have a dictatorship by then unblock Jun 2022 #26
We don't have to replace the younger 3 republicans. Claustrum Jun 2022 #28
Republican strategists have long feared that actually overturning roe would galvanize democrats unblock Jun 2022 #30
I truly hope it will happen and we definitely need it to happen. Claustrum Jun 2022 #35
Probably not with this economy Polybius Jun 2022 #37
If we don't hold our majority in the Senate, Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #39
Yes. If you read my previous comment, I said keeping the senate and presidency. Claustrum Jun 2022 #40
And if the situation was reversed, Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #41
They can be impeached for anything -- wearing brown shoes with white socks. onenote Jun 2022 #20
Can? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2022 #22
Impeachment is a political process. BlueCheeseAgain Jun 2022 #23
They could be impeached for anything we want if we had the votes. PTWB Jun 2022 #24
None of them said that Roe was settled law and that they wouldn't overturn it. Calista241 Jun 2022 #27
They all were evasive, as you said DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2022 #38
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2022 #33
Figure out a way to stress them out that they can't handle it. LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #34

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
21. No they can't be impeached because we don't have enough votes it requires a majority in the house
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:37 PM
Jun 2022

and is then sent to the Senate...where a 2/3 majority is required for conviction. It has nothing to do with appetite.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
29. House votes to impeach. We have the votes. It's the conviction where we don't have the votes.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jun 2022

The point of the impeachment is not the conviction. It's to put those liars on trial and let them and future justices know that they cannot lie without repercussions.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
31. Short of a confession, it's impossible to prove they lied
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:18 PM
Jun 2022

They are allowed to change their minds on issues, which is what they will claim.

We know it's a lie, but there is no way to prove it short of a confession

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
32. The Senate would never vote to convict even if we did prove it. That's not the point.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:21 PM
Jun 2022

The point is to signal to them and future justices that lying during the confirmation hearings is not something we will tolerate. They need to be put on trial if only for us to air their sins for everyone to see and to embarrass them.

Doing nothing only enables future lies.

jimfields33

(15,830 posts)
2. It will not happen
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:54 PM
Jun 2022

Regardless of whether we like it or not, the are allowed to change their minds especially when the case is brought forth to them.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
5. I Agree
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jun 2022

But of course, it's 100% BULLSHIT that they changed their minds. Difficult to prove that, but anybody with a brain KNEW what side they were going to come down on.

drray23

(7,634 posts)
3. yes , its the same requirements you have for a president or another official
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:54 PM
Jun 2022

majority in house to impeach, 2/3 in senate to convict.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
17. Exactly this.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:24 PM
Jun 2022

We couldn't even find 2/3 in the Senate when TFG literally called for and lead a mob into the capitol risking some of these people's lives. Do you really think we can get 2/3 of the senate to convict a SCJ for lying? Lying is common practice in republican circles.

drray23

(7,634 posts)
25. of course not.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:45 PM
Jun 2022

i am just answering the question posting the requirements. Obviously we can not convict them. We will never get 2/3.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
4. No
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:54 PM
Jun 2022

It would have to be proven they were lying at the time.

As I've seen it explained, they could merely say that their beliefs have evolved once they got onto the court and studied the law further.

spooky3

(34,460 posts)
8. A NY attorney on MSNBC yesterday said that
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:58 PM
Jun 2022

Stating they agreed that Roe v Wade was precedent or settled law was not the same as saying they WOULD NOT overturn it.

So, imho, they were being intentionally misleading but had been coached to word their responses very carefully so that they couldn’t be found guilty of outright lying.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
14. Wasn't President Clinton impeached for lying about a consensual blow job?
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:00 PM
Jun 2022

He was impeached but not convicted, because it was strictly a bullshit political moves by hypocritical republicans.

WiVoter

(909 posts)
15. I Figured That Would Be The Case
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:00 PM
Jun 2022

I’ve read about Judge Samuel Chase who was impeached but not convicted in 1805. Interesting. It seems his nonconviction insulated Supreme Court judges from future impeachments,not totally however. I’m going to do a little research and thinking on this. Not that it will change anything but it will help me to understand better.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-chase.htm

Frasier Balzov

(2,655 posts)
6. Though none will be removed, impeachment might be the only way
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jun 2022

to get any of the gang of five to appear and answer questions.

Otherwise, they will probably just assert a separation of powers claim and stonewall.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
16. nominally, the standard is the same as for the president -- high crimes and misdemeanors.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jun 2022

in practice, there's no way to enforce the reasoning involved. if the house impeaches and the senate removes, then the justice loses their job, whatever the thought process of congress might have been.

in practice, we'll never get 67 senators for that.

diluting their vote by adding more seats to the supreme court is far more practical. even that would be tough without something like 55+ democratic senators.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
18. Honestly, keeping the senate and presidency and hoping nature does it's thing with
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:26 PM
Jun 2022

some of those republican justices seem much more practical.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
26. By how long will that take? Republicans may have a dictatorship by then
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:48 PM
Jun 2022

And in any event, many women will suffer before this is fixed.

That said, I really hope they just killed the goose that laid the golden egg for them and democrats really start turning out in droves and we get a more functional majority in both houses and keep the White House.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
28. We don't have to replace the younger 3 republicans.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jun 2022

If we could replace 2 of Thomas (74), Alito (72), or Roberts (67), we could gain back the 5:4 advantage. Though, I know full well that they have the best healthcare available to them so chances are low.

But at the same time, getting 55 senate seat seems like an impossible task as well.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
30. Republican strategists have long feared that actually overturning roe would galvanize democrats
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:16 PM
Jun 2022

Which is why their strategy up until yesterday had been to kill roe by 1,000 cuts.

I really hope they end up ruing this day.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
35. I truly hope it will happen and we definitely need it to happen.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:37 PM
Jun 2022

I hope to see a big shift to democrat's advantage in the coming months with polling and on Nov. If we could gain seats despite having the presidency and high inflation (I know not Biden fault), then we know the anger to the SC is real and lasting.

And the only way for republicans to tempt down their far right policies is for them to lose seats nationwide for a few elections. I am with Pelosi that we need a functioning and strong republican party (that is reasonable and not crazy like they are now). Like it or not, we won't have democratic presidents forever. It just doesn't happen in a 2 party system. So if they can get back to a more moderate stance, it will be better for all of us.

Polybius

(15,439 posts)
37. Probably not with this economy
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:27 PM
Jun 2022

We'll see soon, I'm sure there will be plenty of post-Roe polling.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
39. If we don't hold our majority in the Senate,
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM
Jun 2022

McConnell will not let Joe Biden put anybody on the court. I am absolutely certain of this.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
40. Yes. If you read my previous comment, I said keeping the senate and presidency.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:41 PM
Jun 2022

I am sure McTurtle will block any future democratic picks as he was so successful with it before. Actually, at this point, I think any other republican senate majority leader will probably do the same.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
20. They can be impeached for anything -- wearing brown shoes with white socks.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jun 2022

But they aren't going to be impeached, so why not focus our energies on electing more Democrats.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
23. Impeachment is a political process.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jun 2022

They can be impeached for anything Congress wants to impeach them for. But you're right that the chances are non-existent. It would require 2/3 of the Senate, which obviously won't happen with 50 GOP senators.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
27. None of them said that Roe was settled law and that they wouldn't overturn it.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 06:50 PM
Jun 2022

They gave a bunch of word salad about how they recognized precedent, but that’s not the same thing as lying.

Amy Coney-Barrett was pretty specific about how it was precedent, but that it wasn’t in the same category as other decisions that were “super-precedent” to use Feinstein’s term.

Each of them, if interrogated under oath, will be able to reasonably and believably say that they fairly considered the facts of the case before them, and issued an opinion based upon reasonable constitutional principles.

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