Secret Service Agents Deny Claim of Violent Trump Freakout in Limo on Jan. 6: WaPo

[babylonsister]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cassidy-hutchinsons-jan-6-testimony-on-trump-limo-assault-disputed-by-secret-service-agents?ref=home

Secret Service Agents Deny Claim of Violent Trump Freakout in Limo on Jan. 6: WaPo
RIOT RASHOMON
AJ McDougall
Breaking News Reporter
Published Jun. 28, 2022 10:55PM ET

The Secret Service appears to be pushing back on bombshell testimony that former President Donald Trump became violent during a presidential limo ride on Jan. 6, 2021. Former West Wing aide Cassidy Hutchinson told the select House panel she’d heard that after Trump was told he couldn’t go to the Capitol, he attempted to grab the steering wheel away from the driver and “lunged” at one of his security agents. But The Washington Post, among other outlets, is reporting that several agents who accompanied Trump that day don’t back that version of events up. Though the agents did not dispute that Trump was verbally aggressive, they deny that he ever assaulted anyone or grabbed at the wheel, the newspaper said, citing one current and one former law enforcement official.

[mucifer]

1. Since she wasn't there and they were, this is a problem

[Cheezoholic]

8. Why?

The ones that were there were the ones that told her what she referenced. The only problem is *ucker Charlatans whiny voice is going to be screaming this for a week.

[hlthe2b]

10. Oh, really? She related the story told to her by Ornato. And there is every REASON to believe her

especially given Carol Leonig's reporting and the fact this a'hole is the one driving the limo that Pence refused to get in because he didn't trust him.

Link to tweet

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[Samrob]

22. Ornato needs to be put under oath even if he takes the 5th.

In this case, the 5th is almost as good as a "yes." We know the SS will definitely parse and even lie for Trump and most of the men working for Trump are more cowardly then the women who worked for him.

[JoanofArgh]

14. The SS agents were so far up Trump's ass , that Mike Pence refused to allow them to transport

him out of the Capital. For the same reason, Biden refused to use them when he became President. Ornato in particular was totally under Trump's sway and lied about another Jan. 6 witness who testified under oath, Farrah Abraham..

Link to tweet

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Former Trump WH Comms director
@Alyssafarah
says she sees former Trump WH deputy chief of staff (and Secret Service agent) Tony Ornato's reported dispute with Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony he told her the story of Trump lunging at USSS agent Engel through a specific lens...


2/ That lens being that she says she has told the truth under oath to the
@January6thCmte
only to have Ornato dispute her claim while NOT under oath.

This was regarding Farah's testimony about the police clearing of Lafayette Square in June 2020...


3/ Farah says she told the Committee that she told Ornato and Meadows "to give a warning to the press that they’d be clearing the park so members of the press wouldn’t get hurt. He said on the record to reporters it was untrue." But, Farah says, "half a dozen people heard it.”

[LenaBaby61]

18. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

I believe what Cassidy relayed, and as you said these two agents were suck-ups to Fat Mogul, and he's a pathological LIAR, and those two agents were tRump butt-kissers.

Hell Flynn took te 5th when asked if he though that the insurrection was treason or something like that. Who in HELL takes the 5th on a question like that?

A weasel who needs his military pension stripped from him, that's who.

[yardwork]

29. Except they aren't testifying under oath and she was.

And, all she said is that this was what she was told.

[Solomon]

31. They either lied to her then, or they are lying to us now.

[yardwork]

32. Right. They lie a lot. Trump lies all the time.

Hutchinson testified under oath, and she previously gave hours of depositions. Her account seems to be internally consistent. Her recounting of the ketchup on the wall seems believable to me. It's little details like that that make people's accounts believable.

I can't think of any benefit to Hutchinson to lie to the committee. She has nothing to gain. Whereas, these people who are still supporting Trump have many reasons to lie.

[Effete Snob]

39. Only if you ignore Engels testimony

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[Autumn]

55. "two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic".

that says it. " all took different views "


Please can we go?

No lets go back home and I will give you ice cream.

But I wanna go!!

Not today baby. Daddy's got a headache. Be good and I'll let you play with Ivanka.

[Emile]

2. Everyone knows his hands are too small to grab the steering wheel. The most

damning evidence is he knew his violent mob was armed and he told them to go down to the capital and fight like hell.

[MissMillie]

3. Why are secret service agents commenting at all?

Isn't the maxim of keeping comments to yourself one of the hallmarks of protecting the principal?

I guess the other thing I want to add is that the incident in the car, according to Ms. Hutchinson's testimony, was something that was relayed to her. She admits she wasn't there to see what happened.

[Walleye]

4. None of them have the courage of Miss Hutchinson

They may be brave in the face of gunfire they show no courage in the face of Liz Cheney

[Effete Snob]

40. Engel already testified

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[Walleye]

46. I don't think the committee is publicly putting on testimony that they can't verify. We'll see

[Effete Snob]

48. I don't understand your comment

They already verified it. I don't think you read what I posted.

Read the date and highlighted text here:

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

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That's what I'm telling you. The committee already had the testimony of the secret service agent and it matches what Hutchinson said.

We've known about this since June 8.

[Walleye]

49. Yes that's what I was trying to say. I'm a little foggy this morning

[Effete Snob]

51. It's a beautiful clear day in Hockessin

You must be on the wrong side of Kennett Pike.

[Walleye]

54. Yes on the inside of my brain

Oh it is a beautiful perfect day here I gotta get outside

[Fiendish Thingy]

60. Except Engle's testimony does not include details of Trump's aggression

And Hutchinson’s does.

My guess is Hutchinson testified after Engle, so committee couldn’t ask him about the aggression.

[Effete Snob]

62. That is a second hand account

It says they had a difference of opinion.

Think about that for a minute. Have you ever seen Trump have a civil "differing view" with someone?

Come on.

[Cheezoholic]

5. And here comes the pivot

I hope the MSM news cycle chews this up and spits it out in the next 48 hours. It was something she said she was told. Whether or not he grabbed the "whatever" and laid his hands on "whomever" I'd lay money he was still screaming like a 5 year old for a Fun Meal to take him to the Capitol, WHICH WAS THE POINT!

Hell, they probably had the worlds largest car seat in the back to strap him in

[LenaBaby61]

19. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Scrivener7]

6. And the ketchup was Heinz and not Hunts!!!!!!1!!!1

[fightforfreedom]

12. Good one.

[spooky3]

7. 1) were they under oath? 2) were they in the car? 3) agents in

The car testified before the committee.

Do we really think Cheney would have asked Hutchinson about this minor incident (relative to the much bigger crimes of planning a coup, asking that the mags be turned off, and sending the armed mob to harm or kill Pence, Pelosi, and others) if H’s account was not corroborated?

[Cheezoholic]

9. This

and I believe the agents who told her were his 2 SS buddies and they were in the car.

[spooky3]

11. +1

[captain queeg]

13. Yeah, unless they wanted to swear under oath that none of that happened

Hearing the official SS story doesn’t carry much water. Of course they’ll deny it as an agency. But as amusing as that part of the story is, the real crux of the issue is that he wanted and demanded to go to the capitol.

And moreover, it’s totally believable. If they said that about Joe or Obama or even W no one would give it any credence.

[agingdem]

15. they committee had four sit-downs with Hutchinson...

and you can bet her recollections of January 6 and the days leading up to it have been corroborated every which way...and you can bet Thompson, Raskin, Schiff, Cheney would not have rushed to a public hearing if they didn't have documented evidence

[sop]

25. I don't believe The 1/6 Committee would put this story forward unless they had corroboration from

the agents present. They would be risking the Committee's credibility over a relatively minor event that isn't even necessary to prove their damning case against Trump. Let Trump's lackeys deny it in the media, then show the corroboration at the next scheduled hearing.

[agingdem]

27. this rush to hearing has everything to do

with Cipolione...as for Meadows, Hutchinson emasculated him on national tv...and Tony Ornato is saying the physical altercation didn't happen when he was the one who invited her into his office and spilled his guts..Ornato is Trump's guy..his testimony would be more of a she said/he said side show...

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

30. 2nd hand hearsay testimony is not something that should have been relied on, too easy to dismiss

Great entertainment but, pretty much everything she describes is hearsay, need to question actual people involved under oath.

[Effete Snob]

47. There was no point in dragging this buy back in

The actual people involved were under oath.

For the purpose of presentation, they used Hutchinson, since Engel already confirmed the story:

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[Effete Snob]

44. They did - others are ignoring it

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[Effete Snob]

41. Engel was, yes

And he agreed with Hutchinson

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[spooky3]

57. My q has to do with the unnamed agents now disputing the story.

The original Post article didn’t name them.

I’m doubtful of their side of it.

[Effete Snob]

58. John Barron and Ronald Frump

[spooky3]

59. Hee hee! Nt

[Patton French]

16. Put them under oath. NT

[Effete Snob]

42. Been there done that

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[agingdem]

17. the same Secret Service agents that took him for a Walter Reed

joyride when he was consumed with Covid?...I know the Secret Service is tasked with protecting the president but does that include sucking air through a ventilator because Mussolini-lite demanded an ego crowd jerk-off?...

[LenaBaby61]

20. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Backseat Driver]

63. Yeah, hehehe, trapped in that safe "kitty carrier" SUV versus the locker room of the manly brain

Oops, I'm the star, but I got in...and they won't let me do anything...

[GPV]

21. Did they sign NDAs??

[PJMcK]

26. It wouldn't matter

SS agents are government employees. They can't be silenced with an NDA since they didn't work for Trump.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. Them types hang together but we all know the better visual was "Heinz me, Baby!"

If walls could talk ....

[duforsure]

24. I believe Ornato before those secret service agents,

Why would he lie like that, where the agents were likely hardcore for TFG , bribed or compromised, or threatened. We know TFG has major anger management issues, and is a serial liar. Pence wouldn't get in the car because he was smart enough not to trust them too.

[Effete Snob]

43. Engel testified truthfully and corroborates Hutchinson

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[sop]

28. "Lordy, I hope there are tapes."

[Mr. Sparkle]

33. Let them say what happaned under oath in front of the committee

[Effete Snob]

38. Already did

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[GoCubsGo]

34. I seem to recall reading that the Secret Service became infested with Trump loyalists.

It's not surprising that some of them will lie for him.

[Samrob]

35. Note: The Secret Service, the SCOTUS, the GOP have all lost creditability during Trump admin.

Here and world-wide.

[Kid Berwyn]

36. They're trained to take a bullet for MOGUL.

Instinct, almost.

[Effete Snob]

37. Engel testified under oath and confirmed the story

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[KentuckyWoman]

45. Who was in the car?

All of them. Under oath.
Everyone in the room with her when she was told.
Under oath.

They might still lie.

[Effete Snob]

50. Engel was in the car

And he testified under oath.

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

[Walleye]

52. I bet they've even interviewed the valet who is wiping the ketchup off the wall

So typical of the trumps to make a huge mess and expect the underlings to clean it up. Plus breaking up our china

[Calista241]

53. This is the problem with people telling stories about what they heard.

Too many 'facts' are open to dispute or interpretation. She's not a witness a prosecutor could use. There's going to be noise around her testimony, and IMO, it distracts from the narrative that Trump is a loose cannon that tried to stop the transition of power.

[inthewind21]

61. Bingo

And people latched right on. What happened in the vehicle is irrelevant. But people seems to be more interested in the "real housewives" aspect.

[Horse with no Name]

56. The Secret Service is infested with Magats

I’m not surprised.