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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:23 AM Jun 2022

Hutchison testified as to what she was TOLD happened with the Limo driver and Secret Service

Got no problem with that.. She was honest.. she said this is what I have been told.. if the Secret Service or Limo driver disagree.. wonderful.. come in and testify.. no one has mislead anyone here.. I am kind of stumped to all the confusion on that one.. I was listening.. she said this is what I was told.. all good to me

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Hutchison testified as to what she was TOLD happened with the Limo driver and Secret Service (Original Post) Peacetrain Jun 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #1
There is footage of TFG being taken from the rally in an SUV, not a sedan. lastlib Jun 2022 #2
I think she said the story was told her in front of Engel Walleye Jun 2022 #3
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #4
That's the way I remember it too Poiuyt Jun 2022 #30
+1 "And he didn't dispute it at the time." mitch96 Jun 2022 #31
They two SS men have already testified before the J6. Phoenix61 Jun 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #17
Agree Kaleva Jun 2022 #6
Testify under oath . . . . Lovie777 Jun 2022 #7
The committee wouldn't have JenniferJuniper Jun 2022 #8
They did Effete Snob Jun 2022 #9
So present the backup testimony 867-5309. Jun 2022 #19
It cannot be done all at once JenniferJuniper Jun 2022 #20
I believe and hope you are correct! n/t 867-5309. Jun 2022 #22
I am not stumped. The press goes out of their way to pick and choose what to blow out of JohnSJ Jun 2022 #10
The secret service agent in the car also testified to the same Effete Snob Jun 2022 #11
But nothing about JenniferJuniper Jun 2022 #12
lol Effete Snob Jun 2022 #14
I just can't see the committee JenniferJuniper Jun 2022 #16
"The bottom line is the guy in the car and Hutchinson agree that Trump wanted to go to the CAPital" 867-5309. Jun 2022 #21
It's also a distraction. The point is chump knew that this was an armed mob tulipsandroses Jun 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #23
Exactly..let's not get lost in his temper tantrums. That is not the meat of the testimony PortTack Jun 2022 #32
Right. I have no doubts that her Progressive dog Jun 2022 #15
Exactly!!! totally accurate.. Peacetrain Jun 2022 #25
Hutchinson's testimony was just the tip of many icebergs. tetedur Jun 2022 #18
As I watched, I anticipated how the right would attack her Chainfire Jun 2022 #24
There's video of him driving away in the Suburban. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #26
It shouldn't have been a matter for testimony. brooklynite Jun 2022 #27
Nope... if I remember correctly she was asked if anyone told her what happened.. Peacetrain Jun 2022 #28
Rep. Jamie Raskin said their sworn testimony did not contradict her wishstar Jun 2022 #29

Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
2. There is footage of TFG being taken from the rally in an SUV, not a sedan.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:25 AM
Jun 2022

Her story is probably accurate.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
3. I think she said the story was told her in front of Engel
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jun 2022

And he didn’t dispute it at the time. They’re just doing their normal revisionist history. But Liz Cheney has had enough of their shit. I don’t wanna hear news people reporting on what people say they are willing to testify to. Show the damn testimony

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
5. They two SS men have already testified before the J6.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jun 2022

My guess is she is 100% accurate and the J6 has played those two men. They are trump loyalists who would never be able to let what she said go. They would of course lie to the media. Can’t wait to see their taped testimony.

Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
8. The committee wouldn't have
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:32 AM
Jun 2022

gone down the path with her if they didn't have backup testimony to support what she heard. Given the bombshell nature of the story, "Tony told me so" is insufficient given what they knew the media would do with this. And they went so far as to show a clip of the actual vehicle to confirm it wasn't the Beast. I suspect there's more here.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
9. They did
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jun 2022

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
20. It cannot be done all at once
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:04 AM
Jun 2022

After watching all of the hearings thus far, it's clear to me they are carefully laying out the full story of the insurrection. I suspect we'll hear more about Trump's behavior in the SUV in coming hearings, and I'm willing to to bet it will not contradict what Ms. Hutchinson testfied to she was told.

JohnSJ

(92,219 posts)
10. I am not stumped. The press goes out of their way to pick and choose what to blow out of
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:37 AM
Jun 2022

proportion and distort what they think will get the most attention


 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
11. The secret service agent in the car also testified to the same
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:38 AM
Jun 2022

June 8, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
14. lol
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:45 AM
Jun 2022

The Politico piece is someone's account of the facts to which Engel testified.

Get serious. Concentrate on this phrase:

They "took different views on the topic".

Ah, yes, I was having a scholarly exchange of perspective with Donald Trump, and we "took different views on the topic".

Once in a while it is important to apply what you already know to a statement like that.

Have you ever seen Trump take "different views" from someone without some over-the-top antics or attack on that person?

But the theatrics are not important. The bottom line is the guy in the car and Hutchinson agree that Trump wanted to go to the CAPital, and that for some reason the driver would not take him there.

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
16. I just can't see the committee
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:53 AM
Jun 2022

having her discuss the wheel and "clavicles" grabbing if they didn't have back up testimony from someone. They know these SS guys are Trumpies and I can't see them risking her testimony being even a little impeached. Makes it too easy for the media to claim she wasn't a reliable witness overall.

 

867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
21. "The bottom line is the guy in the car and Hutchinson agree that Trump wanted to go to the CAPital"
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:04 AM
Jun 2022

You're right. His wanting to go there is what's key. I just hope the tabloid stuff doesn't obscure that.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
13. It's also a distraction. The point is chump knew that this was an armed mob
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jun 2022

He pointed them at the Capitol. There is no dispute that he was angry about not being able to go to the Capitol. THEN sat back and watched, fueled the fire by sending the tweet about Pence. Did nothing to quell the violence when he knew an armed angry mob was attacking. That is the story. I don’t want to hear any arguments from distractors that want to discuss insignificant details.
I don’t even need the SS agents come testify if he lunged at the driver or not. I would like them to go on record about Did they know that there were guns? Did the president know?
They pivot to minor matters to not talk about the central issue. The president attempted a coup.


Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #13)

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
32. Exactly..let's not get lost in his temper tantrums. That is not the meat of the testimony
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jun 2022

It’s just a side line

tetedur

(820 posts)
18. Hutchinson's testimony was just the tip of many icebergs.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:56 AM
Jun 2022

She just related a few stories and would have had to go into much more detail if this testimony had been in a courtroom. In the "tell all" books about the other insanity that was going on in the military front, for example, those stories were just the tip of the icebergs too.

They are not going to tell the American people the true depth of the depravity that is going on in the Republican scheme because that would scare everyone too much.

America survived a very dangerous time, at least most of us survived. Our democratic form of government is swirling down the toilet and the question remains, will we be able to hang on to it. Will we demand accountability for those who committed crimes or not?

In my lifetime I have seen Republican presidents skate time and time again for offences for which they should have been held responsible. I want to believe this time a Republican president is not going to get away with it but I"ll believe it when I see it.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
24. As I watched, I anticipated how the right would attack her
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jun 2022

1. As a woman
2. As a young woman
3. Her credentials and job duties
4. and that much of what she was testifying to was based upon unrecorded conversations.

The strong parts of her testimony is that she made allegations, under oath, that others will now have to dispute, or accept, under oath. What is said in the right-wing press will not matter in a court of law. The more that Trump machine rants, the more confidence I will have in the accuracy of her testimony.

The woman had a hell of a lot of guts to put herself out there testifying against the Fascists. She will now have every aspect of her life, from birth till today, viewed under a microscope, she will be attacked as the essence of evil, as a turncoat and traitor, and she will have a literal and figurative target on her back. She broke the most sacred vow of modern Republicans; she told the truth in public.




maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
26. There's video of him driving away in the Suburban.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

You can see gesticulating from the rear seat.

"Someone" (someone who is not me) needs to do a Blade Runner-style "Enhance enhance enhance" analysis of that video. Maybe the lunge & choke is on that tape.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
27. It shouldn't have been a matter for testimony.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

It was sufficient to point out that Trump was angry at not going to the Capitol. The "grabbing the wheel" element sounds like an embellishment she was told; if the Secret Service disputes it under oath, it'll put her entire testimony under a cloud.

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
28. Nope... if I remember correctly she was asked if anyone told her what happened..
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

If she is honest then she shares what was told her..

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
29. Rep. Jamie Raskin said their sworn testimony did not contradict her
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

and that he considers her testimony credible and that he expected anonymous sources and detractors not under oath to try to discredit her. They have admitted Trump was irate and insisted on being driven to Capitol.

Sounds like they omitted mentioning his extremely shocking behavior to shield Trump and now they are covering for him. She was merely repeating what Tony Ornato told her in front of Engel who had just returned to WH after bringing Trump back.

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