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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHutchison testified as to what she was TOLD happened with the Limo driver and Secret Service
Got no problem with that.. She was honest.. she said this is what I have been told.. if the Secret Service or Limo driver disagree.. wonderful.. come in and testify.. no one has mislead anyone here.. I am kind of stumped to all the confusion on that one.. I was listening.. she said this is what I was told.. all good to me
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lastlib
(23,248 posts)Her story is probably accurate.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)And he didnt dispute it at the time. Theyre just doing their normal revisionist history. But Liz Cheney has had enough of their shit. I dont wanna hear news people reporting on what people say they are willing to testify to. Show the damn testimony
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)mitch96
(13,912 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)My guess is she is 100% accurate and the J6 has played those two men. They are trump loyalists who would never be able to let what she said go. They would of course lie to the media. Cant wait to see their taped testimony.
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Kaleva
(36,312 posts)Lovie777
(12,278 posts)although that means nada to the lying republicans, i. e. RWer US SC.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)gone down the path with her if they didn't have backup testimony to support what she heard. Given the bombshell nature of the story, "Tony told me so" is insufficient given what they knew the media would do with this. And they went so far as to show a clip of the actual vehicle to confirm it wasn't the Beast. I suspect there's more here.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)June 8, 2022
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trumps desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engels testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Hopefully they will at some point.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)After watching all of the hearings thus far, it's clear to me they are carefully laying out the full story of the insurrection. I suspect we'll hear more about Trump's behavior in the SUV in coming hearings, and I'm willing to to bet it will not contradict what Ms. Hutchinson testfied to she was told.
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(1,189 posts)JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)proportion and distort what they think will get the most attention
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)June 8, 2022
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trumps desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engels testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)wheel/throat grabbing.
As far as we know....
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)The Politico piece is someone's account of the facts to which Engel testified.
Get serious. Concentrate on this phrase:
They "took different views on the topic".
Ah, yes, I was having a scholarly exchange of perspective with Donald Trump, and we "took different views on the topic".
Once in a while it is important to apply what you already know to a statement like that.
Have you ever seen Trump take "different views" from someone without some over-the-top antics or attack on that person?
But the theatrics are not important. The bottom line is the guy in the car and Hutchinson agree that Trump wanted to go to the CAPital, and that for some reason the driver would not take him there.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)having her discuss the wheel and "clavicles" grabbing if they didn't have back up testimony from someone. They know these SS guys are Trumpies and I can't see them risking her testimony being even a little impeached. Makes it too easy for the media to claim she wasn't a reliable witness overall.
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)You're right. His wanting to go there is what's key. I just hope the tabloid stuff doesn't obscure that.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)He pointed them at the Capitol. There is no dispute that he was angry about not being able to go to the Capitol. THEN sat back and watched, fueled the fire by sending the tweet about Pence. Did nothing to quell the violence when he knew an armed angry mob was attacking. That is the story. I dont want to hear any arguments from distractors that want to discuss insignificant details.
I dont even need the SS agents come testify if he lunged at the driver or not. I would like them to go on record about Did they know that there were guns? Did the president know?
They pivot to minor matters to not talk about the central issue. The president attempted a coup.
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PortTack
(32,778 posts)Its just a side line
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)testimony was accurate as to what she witnessed or was told.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)tetedur
(820 posts)She just related a few stories and would have had to go into much more detail if this testimony had been in a courtroom. In the "tell all" books about the other insanity that was going on in the military front, for example, those stories were just the tip of the icebergs too.
They are not going to tell the American people the true depth of the depravity that is going on in the Republican scheme because that would scare everyone too much.
America survived a very dangerous time, at least most of us survived. Our democratic form of government is swirling down the toilet and the question remains, will we be able to hang on to it. Will we demand accountability for those who committed crimes or not?
In my lifetime I have seen Republican presidents skate time and time again for offences for which they should have been held responsible. I want to believe this time a Republican president is not going to get away with it but I"ll believe it when I see it.
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)1. As a woman
2. As a young woman
3. Her credentials and job duties
4. and that much of what she was testifying to was based upon unrecorded conversations.
The strong parts of her testimony is that she made allegations, under oath, that others will now have to dispute, or accept, under oath. What is said in the right-wing press will not matter in a court of law. The more that Trump machine rants, the more confidence I will have in the accuracy of her testimony.
The woman had a hell of a lot of guts to put herself out there testifying against the Fascists. She will now have every aspect of her life, from birth till today, viewed under a microscope, she will be attacked as the essence of evil, as a turncoat and traitor, and she will have a literal and figurative target on her back. She broke the most sacred vow of modern Republicans; she told the truth in public.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)You can see gesticulating from the rear seat.
"Someone" (someone who is not me) needs to do a Blade Runner-style "Enhance enhance enhance" analysis of that video. Maybe the lunge & choke is on that tape.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)It was sufficient to point out that Trump was angry at not going to the Capitol. The "grabbing the wheel" element sounds like an embellishment she was told; if the Secret Service disputes it under oath, it'll put her entire testimony under a cloud.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)If she is honest then she shares what was told her..
wishstar
(5,270 posts)and that he considers her testimony credible and that he expected anonymous sources and detractors not under oath to try to discredit her. They have admitted Trump was irate and insisted on being driven to Capitol.
Sounds like they omitted mentioning his extremely shocking behavior to shield Trump and now they are covering for him. She was merely repeating what Tony Ornato told her in front of Engel who had just returned to WH after bringing Trump back.