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PELOS! - Receives Communion From Pope (Original Post) kpete Jun 2022 OP
But of course! onetexan Jun 2022 #1
Great jalan48 Jun 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #3
Right wing Catholics don't respect the Pope so it won't matter to them mucifer Jun 2022 #4
The pope doesn't respect them either. milestogo Jun 2022 #5
Yes and HE is Pope PatSeg Jun 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #34
Ha, ha, ha!!! PatSeg Jul 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #6
Well stated. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #8
I agree. I'm SO sick of hearing about their thoughts and beliefs. liberalla Jun 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #32
Pope Francis and the American Bishops do seem to be at odds, don't they? sop Jun 2022 #7
Yep. That's largely because of the reactionary, regressive bishops... keep_left Jun 2022 #11
It takes time for the pendulum to swing the other direction Brother Buzz Jun 2022 #17
My Ex-Wife Is Catholic, I'm Not... GB_RN Jun 2022 #21
Yes, they are definitely at odds. shrike3 Jun 2022 #25
That's an excellent article. sop Jun 2022 #28
Lol. I'm a current Catholic. shrike3 Jun 2022 #29
The schism in the U.S.A. Catholic Church reflects the political schism in the U.S.A. in general. hunter Jun 2022 #23
But I thought Catholics, especially Bishops, Cardinals etc..., believe the Pope is God's ambassador LiberalLovinLug Jun 2022 #24
That should put any dispute to rest sarisataka Jun 2022 #10
She did not receive communion from the pope. She received it from a priest at a mass said by the WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #12
Thanks for clarifying. Any idea where this mass was held? TheRickles Jun 2022 #14
The headline in the OP says the Vatican. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #15
Right you are. Thanks. TheRickles Jun 2022 #19
Thank you, Pope Francis. Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #13
That idiot cardinal in SF was told to shut up by the Pope LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #18
I think the cardinal's hat went to someone in SoCal, & Cordileone was passed over bigly Hekate Jun 2022 #35
Uhh...so this is a good thing? progressoid Jun 2022 #20
Compare these Catholic (Biden and Pelosi) to the Six who think that they run the country. question everything Jun 2022 #22
Pope said mass. Did not distribute communion. Pope does not distribute communion at such masses. shrike3 Jun 2022 #26
Who cares what this church or any of its officials think or do? This should have exactly zero... xocetaceans Jun 2022 #27
Love it jonstl08 Jun 2022 #30
NEXT: Pope Francis Is Declared Heretic By U.S. Catholic Bishops dalton99a Jun 2022 #31
Very high on my list of things I couldn't care less about. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #33

Response to kpete (Original post)

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
5. The pope doesn't respect them either.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jun 2022

Maybe he's capable of understanding what it really means to be pro-life.

Response to PatSeg (Reply #16)

Response to mucifer (Reply #4)

liberalla

(9,249 posts)
9. I agree. I'm SO sick of hearing about their thoughts and beliefs.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jun 2022

They are the source of most all our ills. If you consider the dark money forces powering all the efforts to undo the last 75 years of progress... and yes, overthrow the govt!


Response to liberalla (Reply #9)

sop

(10,204 posts)
7. Pope Francis and the American Bishops do seem to be at odds, don't they?
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jun 2022

The Latin American Pope naturally favors Liberation Theology. Our American Bishops see that as a challenge to Church hierarchy. Conservative American Catholics appear to have adopted Prosperity Doctrine from rightwing Protestants.

keep_left

(1,784 posts)
11. Yep. That's largely because of the reactionary, regressive bishops...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:27 PM
Jun 2022

...appointed by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. There is also the issue of reactionary Catholic billionaires funding a lot of this garbage as well, particularly "think" tanks like EPPC.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216849681#post32

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
17. It takes time for the pendulum to swing the other direction
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:14 PM
Jun 2022

After S.F. archbishop's denial of Communion to Nancy Pelosi, Pope Francis elevates 'progressive' San Diego bishop, snubbing the 'heir apparent' SF Archbishop of the position of Cardinal.



https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Following-S-F-archbishop-s-denial-of-Communion-17206637.php

GB_RN

(2,356 posts)
21. My Ex-Wife Is Catholic, I'm Not...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:49 PM
Jun 2022

So I don’t know all the rules, but can’t Francis replace these assholes?

shrike3

(3,625 posts)
29. Lol. I'm a current Catholic.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:20 PM
Jun 2022

I consider myself part of the world church. More of us do than the hierarchy realizes.

Glad you enjoyed the article; I thought it explained a lot.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
23. The schism in the U.S.A. Catholic Church reflects the political schism in the U.S.A. in general.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jun 2022

In small town Republican U.S.A. it sometimes seems the local Catholic and Protestant churches are competing with one another as to who can be the most hateful.

It's just weird to see Catholic authoritarians forming alliances with authoritarian Protestants who traditionally hate Catholics.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
24. But I thought Catholics, especially Bishops, Cardinals etc..., believe the Pope is God's ambassador
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jun 2022

Just one of the many fun contradictions of religion itself.

If they truly believed that the Pope was the literal connection to God and the voice of God, and that Pope gave his support to more liberal open views on things like LGBTQ rights, and choice for women, they would have to follow his lead....because it must come from God Himself right?

Why are they even Catholic? They should join the American Evangelical cult. In that one you can make up your own "values" and just claim God agrees with you directly.

sarisataka

(18,671 posts)
10. That should put any dispute to rest
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:19 PM
Jun 2022

But probably won't.

Also bookmarking this thread for what isn't being said...

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,359 posts)
12. She did not receive communion from the pope. She received it from a priest at a mass said by the
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:29 PM
Jun 2022

pope. The pope doesn't usually give communion at these kinds of masses.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
35. I think the cardinal's hat went to someone in SoCal, & Cordileone was passed over bigly
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jun 2022

IIRC, Archbishop Cordileone is just way too rigid. There was a bishop in San Diego who suited Pope Francis better, and he got elevated in a big jump.



progressoid

(49,991 posts)
20. Uhh...so this is a good thing?
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 01:25 PM
Jun 2022

Get back to us when the Pope changes the church's stance on birth control and abortion.

shrike3

(3,625 posts)
26. Pope said mass. Did not distribute communion. Pope does not distribute communion at such masses.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:28 PM
Jun 2022

Pelosi took communion from a priest bestowing it.

So the headline of the post is inaccurate.

xocetaceans

(3,871 posts)
27. Who cares what this church or any of its officials think or do? This should have exactly zero...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jun 2022

bearing on anything relating to government in the USA.

Religion and government need to be kept completely separate. It's not a win to need to look to the Pope's actions or whatever occurs in the Vatican for approval or encouragement. That church can do what it likes (within the limits of secular and physical law) - both in Rome and in San Francisco. If the Pope and Cardinals cannot agree on something and want to contest that issue within the Catholic Church, good for them. Again, it has should have exactly no bearing on the US government.

Even though Pelosi is Speaker of the House, the linked story should have no public importance. The Bible says that Christians should not make a public spectacle of their faith. It's between her, her church and her god. (It's not her fault that there are photographers and journalists there unless she planned this as a photo op, though.)


Matthew 6:1-5 (Nestle 1904)

1 Προσέχετε δὲ τὴν δικαιοσύνην ὑμῶν μὴ ποιεῖν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων πρὸς τὸ θεαθῆναι αὐτοῖς· εἰ δὲ μήγε, μισθὸν οὐκ ἔχετε παρὰ τῷ Πατρὶ ὑμῶν τῷ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς. 2 Ὅταν οὖν ποιῇς ἐλεημοσύνην, μὴ σαλπίσῃς ἔμπροσθέν σου, ὥσπερ οἱ ὑποκριταὶ ποιοῦσιν ἐν ταῖς συναγωγαῖς καὶ ἐν ταῖς ῥύμαις, ὅπως δοξασθῶσιν ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων· ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀπέχουσιν τὸν μισθὸν αὐτῶν. 3 σοῦ δὲ ποιοῦντος ἐλεημοσύνην μὴ γνώτω ἡ ἀριστερά σου τί ποιεῖ ἡ δεξιά σου, 4 ὅπως ᾖ σου ἡ ἐλεημοσύνη ἐν τῷ κρυπτῷ· καὶ ὁ Πατήρ σου ὁ βλέπων ἐν τῷ κρυπτῷ ἀποδώσει σοι. 5 Καὶ ὅταν προσεύχησθε, οὐκ ἔσεσθε ὡς οἱ ὑποκριταί· ὅτι φιλοῦσιν ἐν ταῖς συναγωγαῖς καὶ ἐν ταῖς γωνίαις τῶν πλατειῶν ἑστῶτες προσεύχεσθαι, ὅπως φανῶσιν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις· ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀπέχουσιν τὸν μισθὸν αὐτῶν.



Matthew 6:1-5 (KJV)

6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.


Keep all religion out of government! Religion is fundamentally divisive and needs to be kept a private matter for those who want to believe it.

In summary, "But...look! The Pope approves!" is not useful statement except to elevate religion to a level below which it needs to remain.

jonstl08

(412 posts)
30. Love it
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jun 2022

Love her sticking to the American Bishops. Since the Pope allowed it wonder how they are going to react.

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
31. NEXT: Pope Francis Is Declared Heretic By U.S. Catholic Bishops
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jun 2022

Pro-Life Leader SF Archbishop Cordileone Calls for Women's Advocates To Be Burned At Stakes


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