Hey WaPo! "The man detained has ... no clear ideology"?

[speak easy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/04/highland-park-parade-shooting/#link-KGZLSYSSFZBN3DK3GOZKG4A3LI

Maybe there are social media posts of Crimo kitted out in Trump merch

Link to tweet

or wearing Pepe The Frog

Link to tweet

and maybe (just maybe) Crimo is 'clearly' a far-right-winger, don't ya think?
lying fucks

EDIT: A contrary view -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16889464

[RockRaven]

1. iF oNlY wE kNeW wHaT hIs ThOuGhTs AnD vAlUeS wErE, bUt It Is A mYsTeRy!!!!1!!!

[Cha]

2. Get Smarter Reporters, WaPo!

Stop being Derelict at your job!

Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

[iemanja]

8. You don't think they should verify the news?

Random twitter posts of someone who sort of looks like the shooter is not evidence. Reputable news sources need to verify their information.

[speak easy]

14. You mean the "broad online presence"

that they themselves mentioned, including vids, full of RW shit, is not enough? What do they need, a deposition?

[cloudboy07]

26. they are not reporter's! their fiction scribbler 's !

[mahatmakanejeeves]

36. Oh, boy.

Last edited Tue Jul 5, 2022, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)

Have you considered a career in journalism?

[Solly Mack]

3. Who are they afraid of offending?

He is clearly conveying his thinking.

[SoCalDavidS]

4. They're Afraid Of Offending The 35-40% Of MAGA Fucks In America nt

[Solly Mack]

6. So it seems.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Did you read the article or just the headline? WP reporter is aware of the rally attendance and

online stuff. Here's the gist of the story,

"He was immersed in fringe internet culture. But nothing uncovered so far suggests a clear political or ideological motive,” said Emerson T. Brooking, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, which researches how information spreads online. That sets him apart from the suspects in the Buffalo, El Paso and Poway, Calif., shootings, he said. The shooters in those cases had posted manifestos online outlying racist beliefs.

[speak easy]

7. I read the headline first

No excuse for click bait - and more than third read nothing more.

[Hortensis]

31. Thank you, SinkingFeeling. INFORMATION is good.

Much rreferring ignorant reaction over informed is how the MAGAs made themselves what they are. They only read what feeds their need to misunderstand.

[iemanja]

9. They need actual evidence

Not twitter posts that sort of look like the guy. They are a reputable newspaper. Not rumor mongers.

[speak easy]

10. u mean under a Twitter account in his name,

with (untouched) photos? and videos on YouTube? - stuff like that? Not 'clear' enough?

[Sympthsical]

11. I don't want journalists to act like Twitter

Where everyone suddenly becomes Robert Langdon because it's a holiday and they're bored.

Read so, so, so much stupid shit today. The world needs less of Twitter.

Whatever his motives are and what evidence there is, the authorities will get to it. And then we will know.

[speak easy]

12. Well, how about they check his (archived) YouTube videos?

Not 'clear enough' denying the holocaust?

[Sympthsical]

16. How about people wait a day or two

Until we have a clearer picture? There's no doubt other things in his living space, on his phone, computer, etc. Things we are not privvy to.

Is there a reason we have to know RIGHT NOW that waiting for more information would be detrimental?

I mean outside of internet boredom?

Just wait a day or so. Something else will come along. It always does.

The people who are shut in all day during a summer holiday glued to social media are usually the last people I trust to have good information about . . . honestly, anything at all.

[speak easy]

18. Yes - right now - don't say 'no clear ideology'

when the evidence at hand points one way.

[Sympthsical]

19. There is no clear ideology

Not that I've seen. (Spare me Twitter links. Please. They will go unread. I'll wait for credible, verified information). I saw some of his videos that seem more mental illness than anything. He seems to be a Trump supporter.

I'll wait.

People just knew Uvalde was white supremacy. Until it wasn't.

People just knew the New York subway shooting was white supremacy. Until it wasn't.

People just knew the Waukesha parade was pretty much a Proud Boy. Until it wasn't.

I choose to wait during these things to hash out credible information. And if WaPo isn't going along with the chosen Twitter narrative, that's really more of a credit to them in my eyes.

He could be the biggest white supremacist, right-wing, anti-semitic lunatic we've ever seen. Maybe! He honestly could be.

But I'll wait and then make a judgement, as I usually do on these things. Fun thing about it is, it has never failed me. I have never lost anything for not being on Twitter 24/7 to make sure I'm getting adequate attention about tragedies.

[speak easy]

25. If you're right (not far right) or you're right

(established far-right over time), you're right. OK - you're right

[AntivaxHunters]

33. Kekistan is a pretty clear ideology

I think it may be more along the lines of you're not familiar with his ideology.
It's staring you in the face.

[Sympthsical]

37. I don't play the Flowchart Game

I'm probably more aware of internet culture than most people on this board. Function of age. Growing up with the internet lends itself to being aware of all the dysfunctional things young lonely or angry males get up to online. (And it's always a bit of minor amusement watching people try to decipher and understand it years later. The catching up on what's widespread basic internet knowledge).

That said, we haven't had the usual ideological markers we've gotten in the past. So, I'll wait and see. I think there's a lot more information sitting on his computer, in his phone, and other places on the web that weren't obvious searches (I saw his videos before anything about them was posted here or Reddit. It wasn't a hard find).

I remember when the Internet solved the Boston Bombing, then harassed a family whose son committed suicide on account. I took a lesson away from that - internet detectives are morons and people will build narratives because they want and need them to be true. People like to make sense of the senseless by fitting it into their prefabricated ideological boxes. I don't do that.

That's why people play the Flowchart Game after major tragedies. It starts "White or Not? Y/N?" And if we get white, you move to the next box on the chart. "Republican or Not? Y/N?" And if it's Republican, keep going.

If at any point we hit a No, then it's a total mystery and let us never speak of this incident again.

Happens every. single. time.

It's totally gross. I feel gross just watching it. I don't get how people don't feel gross doing it.

To get mad at others for not playing it is . . . well, it's special.

[AntivaxHunters]

38. Except

there is no flow chart and white supremacy doesn't equal "white".
Many are POC, & they are fully indoctrinated.

[Sympthsical]

42. Convenient, eh?

I like when my Asian friends and family are called "white adjacent" whenever they experience violence or discrimination.

They. Love. It.

[AntivaxHunters]

46. And that's messed up

That said, you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. Ask Nick Fuentes and others.
And I'm First Nations so you know

Daily Beast did an exce4llent article on this.

Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups
Patriot Prayer’s leader is half-Japanese. Black and brown faces march with the Proud Boys. Is the future of hate multicultural?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-young-men-of-color-are-joining-white-supremacist-groups


Outfitted in a flak jacket and fighting gloves, Enrique Tarrio was one of dozens of black, Latino, and Asian men who marched alongside white supremacists in Portland on Aug. 4.

Tarrio, who identifies as Afro-Cuban, is president of the Miami chapter of the Proud Boys, who call themselves “Western chauvinists,” and “regularly spout white-nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last month, prior to the Patriot Prayer rally he attended in Portland, Tarrio was pictured with other far-right activists making a hand sign that started as a hoax but has become an in-joke. Last year, Tarrio said traveled to Charlottesville, Virginia, for the Unite the Right rally that ended with a neo-Nazi allegedly killing an anti-fascist protester. (The Proud Boys said any members who went to the event were kicked out.)

Link to tweet

Tarrio and other people of color at the far-right rallies claim institutional racism no longer exists in America. In their view, blacks are to blame for any lingering inequality because they are dependent on welfare, lack strong leadership, and believe Democrats who tell them “You’re always going to be broke. You’re not going to make it in society because of institutional racism,” as one mixed-race man put it.

If racism doesn’t exist, I ask Tarrio, how would he explain the disproportionate killing of young black men by police? “Hip-hop culture,” he says. It “glorifies that lifestyle… of selling drugs, shooting up.” Because of that, “Obviously you’re going to have higher crime rates. Obviously you’re going to have more police presence and more confrontations.” (Police kill black males aged 15 to 34 at nine times the rate of the general population.)

Elysa Sanchez, who is black and Puerto Rican, attended the “Liberty or Death Rally Against Left-Wing Violence” in Seattle on Aug. 18, joining about 20 militiamen open-carrying handguns and semi-automatic rifles.

More at link above.

[BlackSkimmer]

40. Lol, well said!

I think the Waukesha massacre got less than a percent of the threads this particular massacre is spawning.

Same number killed, including a child. Go figure.

[Sympthsical]

44. When was that, 1983?

I'll have to check the Wiki entry. These things are so fuzzy. I was basically a toddler then.

[Beakybird]

13. WaPo is fucking derelict!

[madaboutharry]

15. They get it wrong because...

They are LAZY.

[JuJuChen]

17. This guy is like the personification of yeah, let's ban all guns

[lees1975]

20. Local news here in Chicago is linking him to the far right.

He's a Trumpie.

[Cha]

45. Good to know bc he is. TY

Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

[Quixote1818]

21. This news station video links him to the far right

[PurgedVoter]

22. The person with final edit on this story is probably a conservative

By conservative I mean of course a Fox watching radical. If the person with final edit was able to open his eyes he might see the clues. I am certain if he had seen a poster or a t shirt that promoted a Democratic Party rep, he would have said something about ideology.

If a newsman sees a perpetrator wrapped in a TFG flag that went out of his way to obtain a high power, fast discharge weapon, and the newsman doesn't see a any leads to consider for ideology, he is not a trustworthy observer.

If a newsman does not recognize that the purchase of a TFG flag, display of a TFG flag and smiling while wearing a TFG flag, combined with purchasing a rapid fire high powered rifle in an urban area, indicates a very clear ideology. Randomly killing people on the street also tends to support this.

I must admit that that ideology does not come together in a coherent manner, but it does indicate racism, violence, and cruelty as a baseline for examining things. In other words, MAGA. So I would advise the rest of the newspaper workers to be careful around the fellow that decided to put in the statement that there was no clear ideology. This is a person that will ignore the half of the senate that always votes against good things and blame the two discordant Democrats and in turn Biden for the failure of good things to happen.

Great work Washington Post!

[Brenda]

29. Highly recommend your post

As someone said in previous post...WP doesn't want to offend the MAGA. Sick excuse for journalism.

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Lol, you think MAGA types read the WAPO?

Wow, you have a higher opinion of them than I.

[Brenda]

43. MAGA is not just illiterate rednecks and Q nuts

MAGA is Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, lots of corporate CEO's, banksters, etc. and yeah, they read it.

I agreed with what the previous poster wrote except for one part which I should have clarified. I do not think writers/editors are rabid Fox viewers. I do think they go out of their way with bothsiderism which shows they lean right.

[Hortensis]

32. A WaPo editor is probably a Fox-watching radical?!

Investigative journalism sources, like the WaPo, publish whatever basic information can be verified to begin, then publish more information in follow-up stories as they gather and verify it. Journalists aren't supposed to just assume things or leave out information that contradicts popular assumptions. And this is usually initially provides less information much slower than tabloids, then a lot more information later as it builds.

Journalism notably isn't suited to meet needs for quick social media posting material. Tabloids, social media, etc, are also there to provide instant gratification and material for those seeking to feed preconceptions.

[IronLionZion]

23. That proves he's not political and therefore not a terrorist

maybe the 22 year old has economic anxiety and is troubled by high gas prices

[Baitball Blogger]

24. We were just talking about Pepe the frog the other day.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216875390

[SergeStorms]

27. I'm wondering what poster he covered up...

in the top right picture? He apparently didn't want everyone to see it. A Nazi flag? It's certainly not anything about his lord and savior, Donald Trump, because he's not shy about posing with Trump flags draped over himself.


A home-schooled kid with no way to associate with people his own age. That home-schooling worked out well. His father should have opted for the psychological help. It might have saved a few lives, including his own.

This guy set off every alarm bell, but no one was listening. This is as much on his family as the kid himself.

[InnerFish]

28. Pepe & Waldo

That Pepe Sad Boys shirt isn't what you think.

It has to do with some Swedish rappers. Yung Lean is one of them and there are a couple others. Together they are called Sad Boys.

The shooter was a wannabe rapper, so no doubt he was a fan of Yung Lean and the Sad Boys.

The ADL also has an article that most Pepe uses have nothing to do with the alt-right.

[link:https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/pepe-frog|]

I wouldn't rush to judge some of those pictures at Trump rallies either. Dressing up as Waldo is not exactly supporting Trump.

There was a "Where's Waldo at a Trump rally" meme going on too.

[link:https://www.pinterest.com/pin/wheres-waldo-at-a-trump-rally--527906387554333736/|]

[speak easy]

30. ty. much appreciated info.

[Quixote1818]

39. Good points but he was also at two other Trump rallies not dressed as Waldo and he wore a Trump flag

He also wrote a QAnon song about the storm Trump was supposed to bring.

[gopiscrap]

47. welcome to DU

[llashram]

48. pepe has EVERYTHING

to do with the fascist, vicious, traitors on the right. Enjoy your very short stay here, buh bye...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

35. Originally "Published July 4, 2022 at 12:24 p.m. EDT"

It's all there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/04/highland-park-parade-shooting/

Right click

view-source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/04/highland-park-parade-shooting/

meta property="article:published_time" content="2022-07-04T16:24:44.358Z"/

The story is undergoing constant updating. They publish what they can verify. That changes over time.