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Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:16 AM Jul 2022

Teachers and students must "register" their political views?

Can the re-education camps be far behind? Yes, we must return America to the conservative christian values it was founded upon! I'm sure the Supreme Court will find this law constitutional. What could possibly go wrong here?


DeSantis signs bill requiring Florida students, professors to register political views with state

Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.

The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.

Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.

According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.

Read the rest here: https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/
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Teachers and students must "register" their political views? (Original Post) Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2022 OP
Imagine, what this ass would do if he ever got elected president of the US. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #1
I'd bet money that he will be their 2024 nominee. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2022 #12
Yeah, sadly, I think that will definitely happen. He's the type they love. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #14
Definitely!!! Unless someone even worse comes long as they did in the trash heap of humanity. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #26
Probably pandr32 Jul 2022 #45
Fuck him. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #82
Too many are sitting in the pot pandr32 Jul 2022 #98
Not half of us. Native Jul 2022 #109
Look for a DeSantis/Cheney ticket in 2024, or the reverse. wnylib Jul 2022 #64
I don't think they'll want anything to do.... SergeStorms Jul 2022 #85
She is a pariah among Trumpists, wnylib Jul 2022 #90
What makes you think that? Native Jul 2022 #106
Both are ultra conservative rising stars wnylib Jul 2022 #112
I think they are both too strong willed to play well together. Two uber alphas. Native Jul 2022 #121
I've considered the possibility that wnylib Jul 2022 #125
I'd love to see her make mincemeat of him. He is evil personified. Native Jul 2022 #127
Yes, he is, and it would be fun to see. wnylib Jul 2022 #128
I agree wholeheartedly. Native Jul 2022 #130
You are seeing it. Snackshack Jul 2022 #84
Putin 2.0 Crunchy Frog Jul 2022 #123
Absolutely!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #126
I am tempted to register for a class just to tell the fascists rzemanfl Jul 2022 #2
What would you want to study? n/t Harker Jul 2022 #55
Fascism, dictatorship, repression of females and minorities, insidious propaganda. rzemanfl Jul 2022 #91
If they weren't cheerleaders, yes. Harker Jul 2022 #92
People must rise up to the point where everything stops then sustain the economic and social siege. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #114
How could this stand in court? Duppers Jul 2022 #3
Violation of first amendment free speech rights nt spooky3 Jul 2022 #7
The current Supreme Court has already overturned part of the First Amendment on separation Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #51
Especially since Florida has the right to privacy in its constitution! csziggy Jul 2022 #33
Thanks for this supporting info. Duppers Jul 2022 #36
It passed already Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2022 #41
TY!! Surely there will be challenges coming. Duppers Jul 2022 #96
Sure wil 3auld6phart Jul 2022 #40
Our constitution means nothing then. Duppers Jul 2022 #97
You know Traildogbob Jul 2022 #42
The Rogue Supreme Court has declared the Constitution unconstitutional. NNadir Jul 2022 #75
The other day I was filling out a job application milestogo Jul 2022 #4
They (are/will be) building profiles of people, the targeted enemies of the state. The US is really RKP5637 Jul 2022 #19
They will use voting records to hunt down Democrats. nt Hotler Jul 2022 #113
Yep! It's incredible. The GOP is gone, now it's the RW Crazy party, but many voting R as a RKP5637 Jul 2022 #115
My company has this, and I told them what I thought Sympthsical Jul 2022 #21
My first thought was "is there a quota" for this? milestogo Jul 2022 #27
We adjust our targeting based on it Sympthsical Jul 2022 #32
During WWII the Nazi's used the reporting of Jewish status. plimsoll Jul 2022 #61
Yea, they are trying to weed out anyone with a different political opinion then bat sh*t crazy Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #70
Death camps. Harker Jul 2022 #93
Road to hell is paved with good intentions lostnfound Jul 2022 #28
There's a kind of cluelessness, too Sympthsical Jul 2022 #39
This probably indicates a progressive organization.... reACTIONary Jul 2022 #77
You never know. milestogo Jul 2022 #80
They will not be able to recruit good faculty. Nt spooky3 Jul 2022 #5
I know several outstanding professors who had just said fuck it and left. RKP5637 Jul 2022 #10
Taxpayers and parents should push back hard. Nt spooky3 Jul 2022 #18
That's why Dr. Joseph Ladapo got his professorship at UF's Medical School fast-tracked by Ron's sop Jul 2022 #68
Or students. Enrollment might decline as students wnylib Jul 2022 #71
Ehhh, maybe. Depends on the field. róisín_dubh Jul 2022 #117
Glad you will be able to escape. Nt spooky3 Jul 2022 #119
And then there will be the "Make People Straight" reeducation camps. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #6
Florida will have a brain drain Deuxcents Jul 2022 #8
"The bill itself does not back up those claims" gratuitous Jul 2022 #9
Nunya Party Bucky Jul 2022 #11
The intent is purely punitive. Any other explanation is a smokescreen. DeSantis uses every dameatball Jul 2022 #13
Hannah Arendt: The Goal of Wholesale Surveillance Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #15
+10000000000000000 Celerity Jul 2022 #37
I seriously recommend Arendt and Simone Weil burrowowl Jul 2022 #79
"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of ..." JohnnyRingo Jul 2022 #16
Yeah, exactly, and really no joke at all. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #24
JHC 3auld6phart Jul 2022 #17
In my next life I'm going to be Canadian. OMGWTF Jul 2022 #53
Don't the people of Florida know how to say, Fuck Off! fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #20
hell , i'd say it to their face ! Communist Ron included ! cloudboy07 Jul 2022 #46
We're watching a linchpin of modern civilization snap loose in real time. nt Another Jackalope Jul 2022 #22
Chilling captain queeg Jul 2022 #23
And if the first few paragraphs didn't rile you up enough Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2022 #25
Anothe example of brains being rotted by Fox propaganda. Initech Jul 2022 #31
AS Degree from local diploma mill pfitz59 Jul 2022 #104
There Is No Right Or Wrong...... Laxman Jul 2022 #29
Reminds me of an old joke about hiring the right accountant Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2022 #34
That's some Nazi level bullshit! Initech Jul 2022 #30
See you in Court. nt Samrob Jul 2022 #35
Well the courts aren't what they used to be. CentralMass Jul 2022 #38
Especially in the South where Trump was able to appoint dozens of right-wing politicians. Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #59
The supreme court will back this up. nt Autumn Jul 2022 #78
And the SCOFL obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #99
WTF? spanone Jul 2022 #43
He needs to stroke out. Seriously. Novara Jul 2022 #44
Not entirely new localroger Jul 2022 #47
Who says the surveys have to be filled out truthfully? Jerry2144 Jul 2022 #48
There may be a condition attached to acceptance DBoon Jul 2022 #94
Who says the surveys have to be filled out truthfully? Jerry2144 Jul 2022 #49
WTF. malaise Jul 2022 #50
I'm thinking more like Hitler KS Toronado Jul 2022 #58
I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's far worse than Trump. Native Jul 2022 #110
Same! Initech Jul 2022 #124
That's only Step 1 genxlib Jul 2022 #52
my view is that desantis is on his way to becoming a fascist treacherous evil murderous dictator. samsingh Jul 2022 #54
I wonder what Playahata1 would have thought of this? Thtwudbeme Jul 2022 #56
I don't believe this can possibly be legal. I presume it will be placed on hold by the courts. ratchiweenie Jul 2022 #57
Sounds like Rebl2 Jul 2022 #60
Here's a great reason, Florida Democrats, to make sure this guy doesn't get a second term lees1975 Jul 2022 #62
Years ago, my memory may fail me, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #63
Students and faculty should simply lie caraher Jul 2022 #65
How is this law constitutional? LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #66
confirmed: DeSatanist is more authoritarian and fascist than Trump. paulkienitz Jul 2022 #67
1+ keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #69
Kids are pretty savvy. fleabiscuit Jul 2022 #72
PUBLISHED JUNE 23, 2021 Did None of you Notice this?????????????????? Ford_Prefect Jul 2022 #73
Yeah but with this court? They'll side with the Fox / Murdoch cult on this. Initech Jul 2022 #120
This is the kind of thing TheFarseer Jul 2022 #74
Several good responses to this "survey" vlyons Jul 2022 #76
It is a digital survey obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #81
Jeebus! Native Jul 2022 #111
I would enjoy answering that quaker bill Jul 2022 #83
I do not understand why America is so calm while we race into fascism. The Jungle 1 Jul 2022 #86
DeSatan will be easier to beat than Cheney. I hope. flying_wahini Jul 2022 #87
This is a way to filter out left leaning teachers from the system ... aggiesal Jul 2022 #88
Everyone supporting it should be identified as a communist. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #89
"Of course, no problem. sarisataka Jul 2022 #95
Kiss academic freedom good-bye. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2022 #100
pretty sure "intellectual diversity" jcgoldie Jul 2022 #101
Register as independents. BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #102
QUIT COMPLAINING! DBoon Jul 2022 #103
I cant believe the amount of serious people who are championing this guy, as the GQP nominee Mr. Sparkle Jul 2022 #105
How in the fuck is this legal? Native Jul 2022 #107
If you haven't read the full article, it's a must read. Lots of quotes that will blow your mind. Native Jul 2022 #108
The American Stasi on the move peggysue2 Jul 2022 #116
naked republican facism Achilleaze Jul 2022 #118
The Florida People's Republic. Crunchy Frog Jul 2022 #122
I don't see how this is legal! Emile Jul 2022 #129
Fact check: Headline falsely states that Students have to register their political views in Florida LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #131

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
26. Definitely!!! Unless someone even worse comes long as they did in the trash heap of humanity. n/t
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jul 2022

Magoo48

(4,712 posts)
82. Fuck him.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jul 2022

The people of Florida must be cool with it; they haven’t risen up yet. I know, I know, protecting freedoms is so inconvenient.

How much oppression will it take to spark the people, or will they sit in the pot until it slowly boils?

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
85. I don't think they'll want anything to do....
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jul 2022

with Liz Cheney. She's persona non grata in GQP circles now. She's from that old fashioned republican party.

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
90. She is a pariah among Trumpists,
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jul 2022

but his strength will fade as DeSantis pushes forward and as the J6 committee shreds Trump. There are many Republicans who don't want Trump but will not say it openly.

Cheney has a lot of the far right policies that Republicans like, but without the craziness of Trump. Same for DeSantis. Cheney could come out of the hearings as a national hero, depending on how successful the committee is in getting people to see the full picture of Trump's corruption. She is forceful and no nonsense. Combined with DeSantis, they would project an image of strength and leadership. People relate more to image than to policy.




wnylib

(21,468 posts)
112. Both are ultra conservative rising stars
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 09:59 AM
Jul 2022

in their party, pushing to take control of the party back from Trump and his acolytes.

Both have name recognition.

The J6 committee hearings and the investigations in NY and GA are causing conservative individuals, groups, and corporations to pull back from Trump. He was useful to them in 2016 against their nemesis, Hillary Clinton, and he got them a conservative court. But he is too unpredictable and self-serving for them to stay with. He has nothing more to offer them in maintaining corporate control of the government.

When Trump sinks in the public's eyes due to hearings, investigations, and trials of his inner circle, even if he himself is not tried and convicted, Cheney will become a national hero.

Cheney and DeSantis will project to their party an image of strong, stable leaders versus the Trump unpredictability and tendency to self-serving violence, which is bad for business and foreign relations. Cheney can gain the support of the corporate world. DeSantis can draw the people who support the domestic culture wars on religion, sexuality, and education.


Native

(5,942 posts)
121. I think they are both too strong willed to play well together. Two uber alphas.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jul 2022

I don't think she'd join his ticket. And he doesn't listen to anyone except his wife (who is as bad as he is). Plus, he helped form the Freedom Caucus, and we all know how vociferously they've been calling on Cheney to resign. I can't see her wanting any part of that group.

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
125. I've considered the possibility that
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:18 PM
Jul 2022

they might not fit well together because they are both strong willed people. So I think you could be right about that.

But I do expect to see both of them in the 2024 campaign. We know that DeSantis wants to run. I recently heard Cheney say, when asked if she would run in 2024, that she had not yet decided. So she is considering it.

They might face off against each other in the primaries. When primaries are over, unusual combinations sometimes develop, like the Kennedy-Johnson ticket in 1960.

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
128. Yes, he is, and it would be fun to see.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jul 2022

As long as Dems win the general. Cheney's politics are much too far right for me to feel safe with her in the WH.

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
2. I am tempted to register for a class just to tell the fascists
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jul 2022

what I think of their bullshit. Republican motherfuckers.

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
91. Fascism, dictatorship, repression of females and minorities, insidious propaganda.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:21 PM
Jul 2022

Of course, DeSatan will fire all those professors.

Harker

(14,018 posts)
92. If they weren't cheerleaders, yes.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jul 2022

I think he's a short step from hiring only ardent supporters at state institutions.

That, or liberals are to be set aside for "special ed" programs.

Magoo48

(4,712 posts)
114. People must rise up to the point where everything stops then sustain the economic and social siege.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jul 2022

Or, we can just bitch until we become truly the subjects of tyranny.

Lonestarblue

(9,996 posts)
51. The current Supreme Court has already overturned part of the First Amendment on separation
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:31 PM
Jul 2022

of church and state. The radical Catholic majority will see nothing wrong with jettisoning the rest of the First Amendment.

The Republican Party is truly evil.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
33. Especially since Florida has the right to privacy in its constitution!
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jul 2022
SECTION 23. Right of privacy.—Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person’s private life except as otherwise provided herein. This section shall not be construed to limit the public’s right of access to public records and meetings as provided by law.

https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/constitution#A1S23

3auld6phart

(1,047 posts)
40. Sure wil
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jul 2022

the six assholes on the extreme court will allow that
shit to stand and make it nation wide.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
4. The other day I was filling out a job application
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jul 2022

They ask for information about race, disability, and veteran status. Then there was a question about LGBTQ status. You are not required to fill these out but I usually do. But this kind of shocked me.

The more information they have the easier it is to target people for discrimination.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
19. They (are/will be) building profiles of people, the targeted enemies of the state. The US is really
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jul 2022

history. The rest of the world will walk right past the backward US if this happens on a large scale.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
115. Yep! It's incredible. The GOP is gone, now it's the RW Crazy party, but many voting R as a
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jul 2022

reflex still don't get WTF is going on, the old GOP is gone. It's exasperating.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
21. My company has this, and I told them what I thought
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jul 2022

It's meant as a way to 1. Signal the company is accepting and 2. For hiring to get a sense of diversity of the applicant pool.

It's meant to be well-intentioned.

You'd think when their gay HR manager says this can make people feel targeted and violate their privacy, they'd stop. But, it's a corporate thing. Above my pay grade. When I was still in the office directly dealing with applicants, I would just tell them they could leave it blank. I also advised others to inform applicants they do not have to answer.

It's like, I get it, but no.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
27. My first thought was "is there a quota" for this?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jul 2022

I did fill it out, but in the future I am going to start declining to answer these kind of questions.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
32. We adjust our targeting based on it
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jul 2022

When we look at hiring, let's say for example we're getting tons of white applicants and few black applicants. So our first question will be to look at where we're advertising for hires. Are we missing some bias or lack of knowledge on our parts where we're unintentionally promoting our jobs to white communities? Is there an unconscious bias in how we're approaching the labor pool?

This actually was an internal problem for promotions at a location a few years ago. We like to promote from within. However, the head of a department was only advertising the promotions within their let's say circle. Well, this was noticed and we wondered how that was happening. After some quicky research into the matter, we discovered people outside the group were simply unaware of the promotional opportunities.

So that got changed right away.

Once we made sure everyone was equitably made aware of the opportunities, our applicant pool diversified.

This being in California, the LGBT community has been increasingly included in this process. I've had conversations about this for days and days with co-workers. Unless you're slapping ads in the Advocate, it's a lot harder and trickier to really treat the community the same way we do to achieve racial diversity. LGBT are everywhere in every race and every sex and gender.

I just don't feel like any benefit is coming from it. I honestly think it's just there for a "We're accepting" signal at this point. Which, fine. But people will still not want to answer it.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
61. During WWII the Nazi's used the reporting of Jewish status.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:03 PM
Jul 2022

But they knew the Jews weren't going to say they were Jews. So they got to exclude all the people who reported and focus on just the ones who didn't. At this point reporting any kind of status like that is dangerous, and if you believe in the constitution you can't answer to protect those who are.

Got to hand it to DeSatan, he's right up there on the authoritarian's playbook.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
70. Yea, they are trying to weed out anyone with a different political opinion then bat sh*t crazy
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:16 PM
Jul 2022

And you know how those non-Christian religions are always expressing different opinions. So next up, register if you are not a Christian. I wonder what they will do to atheists? I'm sure the Supremely Religious Court wants to get in on that registration requirement.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
28. Road to hell is paved with good intentions
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jul 2022

An old friend was further left of me, always saying there should be government programs to help solve all kinds of societal problems.
It wasn’t so much that I disagreed with the concepts but I told him that the GOP has a way of taking Democratic programs (like welfare or student loans) into tools of oppression (aid for single moms becomes drug tests and privacy invasion to search apartment for evidence that a recipient has a man living with them, or student loans intended to make college available turns it into indentured servitude at pawn shop rates).

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
39. There's a kind of cluelessness, too
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jul 2022

Because these policies oftentimes originate from people not a part of the communities they're targeting. They don't have those experiences.

I know I, as a gay man, have often been pretty circumspect in the past during job interviews. I never know what the person hiring me thinks of gay people. Could be good, could be bad. So I would simply give no indication either way.

If I were to have a box in front of me, I suddenly have a dilemma. I could mark it and hope the person hiring is cool. Or I could not mark it, give someone the assumption I'm straight, and then get to deal with that inevitable day of coming out all over again (I do not hide my orientation from my coworkers).

It's just such a weirdly awkward position people get put into sometimes.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
77. This probably indicates a progressive organization....
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:40 PM
Jul 2022

.... the want to determine how diverse their hiring pool is, and be able to meet diversity goals amongst the hired staff.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
10. I know several outstanding professors who had just said fuck it and left.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jul 2022

To put it nicely, this governor is a real shithead!

sop

(10,188 posts)
68. That's why Dr. Joseph Ladapo got his professorship at UF's Medical School fast-tracked by Ron's
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

friends and political contributors, at the same time DeSantis also appointed him to be Florida's Surgeon General and Secretary of the Florida Department of Health. DeSantis desperately needed someone in a position of authority to publicly support his anti-mask and anti-vaccine BS.

"Florida Surgeon General Ladapo was rushed into UF College of Medicine job, emails show."

"Top brass at the University of Florida College of Medicine fast-tracked the hiring of Dr. Joseph Ladapo, knowing that Gov. Ron DeSantis was eyeing him for the position of state surgeon general, according to emails obtained by the USA TODAY Network-Florida."

"They also knew they needed to get it done quickly to coincide with the governor’s desire to announce Ladapo’s appointment the day after his predecessor — Dr. Scott Rivkees, also a UF College of Medicine professor — stepped down."

"And they knew that Ladapo had the backing of UF President Kent Fuchs, Provost Joe Glover and UF Board of Trustees Chairman Mori Hosseini — a major GOP fundraiser and DeSantis supporter."

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/state/2021/10/27/joseph-ladapo-fast-tracked-university-florida-college-medicine-ron-desantis-mask/6173664001/

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
71. Or students. Enrollment might decline as students
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:17 PM
Jul 2022

go to out of state schools or private ones.

What's left will be students who can't afford an alternative or who don't see anything wrong with such intrusive questions.

róisín_dubh

(11,795 posts)
117. Ehhh, maybe. Depends on the field.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jul 2022

There are no jobs in some fields like mine (humanities), where we tend to be a bit more liberal.
But it's coming for all of us in conservative states. It's a shame. I'm happy I'm on my way out (changing careers and leaving the US permanently).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. "The bill itself does not back up those claims"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jul 2022

The devil, you say! Sen. Rodrigues is (a) badly misinformed; (b) lying his ass off. Of course, when the sackings start, Sen. Rodrigues will be at the head of the line to say that it's right there in the law, you should have known your job was at risk for wrongthink.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
13. The intent is purely punitive. Any other explanation is a smokescreen. DeSantis uses every
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jul 2022

opportunity available to intimidate because, so far, he can get away with it. This will only get worse.

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
15. Hannah Arendt: The Goal of Wholesale Surveillance
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jul 2022


The goal of wholesale surveillance, as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.

Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy

3auld6phart

(1,047 posts)
17. JHC
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jul 2022

All I’m going to say because I’m a furrier.
Is what the fuck is with that cro-magnon
freak ? It really looks the USA is going to
Hell in a hand basket. Unbelievable what
is happening there.Honestly feel sad/ bad
for you.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
25. And if the first few paragraphs didn't rile you up enough
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022

The Florida Senate President weighed in on law...and his opinion that colleges and universities were "socialist factories". Did Senator Simpson actually go to college? And if he did, how in the world did he ever escape without being turning into a socialist? Just wondering....

Florida Senate President Wilton Simpson was more pointed in his criticism Tuesday at a meeting of the state university system's Board of Governors, calling the institutions "socialism factories" — again without much detail on what makes the schools so left-wing.

"We always hear about the liberal parts of the university system, and we don't hear so much of that from the college system," he said, according to The Tampa Bay Times.

In addition to the survey, the bill also prevents officials from limiting campus speech that "may be uncomfortable, disagreeable or offensive" — a measure that, as Democrats in the state Legislature pointed out, will also make it easier for groups like the KKK or the Proud Boys to hold events on campus.

Initech

(100,078 posts)
31. Anothe example of brains being rotted by Fox propaganda.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jul 2022

If you use the term "socialist factories", you might as well tell me you watch Tucker Carlson without telling me you watch Tucker Carlson.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
29. There Is No Right Or Wrong......
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jul 2022

only both sides. The cornerstone of any good education. Climate skeptics, flat earthers, Holocaust deniers, and the history of slavery as a benevolent institution will all certainly broaden the minds of students. No more of this indoctrination with the truth!

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
34. Reminds me of an old joke about hiring the right accountant
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jul 2022

Q. How much is two plus two?
A. How much do you need it to be?

Lonestarblue

(9,996 posts)
59. Especially in the South where Trump was able to appoint dozens of right-wing politicians.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:51 PM
Jul 2022

I call them politicians instead of judges because they base their rulings on political beliefs rather than the law, as when Trump judges allowed a clearly unconstitutional Texas abortion law to go into effect before Roe was overturned.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
47. Not entirely new
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:21 PM
Jul 2022

Back around 1980 my high school had to teach us a mandatory six week civics course. Our instructor warned us on the first day that when we finished there would be a test, and one of the questions on that test was going to be "Communism is evil: True / False," and that if we did not answer True we would fail both the civics course and social studies for the year. Hey it worked, I learned a lesson from that, but it wasn't about whether communism is evil.

Jerry2144

(2,102 posts)
48. Who says the surveys have to be filled out truthfully?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jul 2022

Give them fake data. If most respondents answer like they are brain-dead conservatives they might realize how stupid this is

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
94. There may be a condition attached to acceptance
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:58 PM
Jul 2022

That providing false information on the survey is grounds for dismissal.. Envision a university clerk charged with verifying political affiliation by looks at voter registration, donor records on opensecrets and other widely available information.

background verification is done in the private sector, but more for situations where you fail to disclose s felony conviction.

Jerry2144

(2,102 posts)
49. Who says the surveys have to be filled out truthfully?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jul 2022

Give them fake data. If most respondents answer like they are brain-dead conservatives they might realize how stupid this is

KS Toronado

(17,243 posts)
58. I'm thinking more like Hitler
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:49 PM
Jul 2022

He started rounding up those he didn't like, even killing some of them.

Native

(5,942 posts)
110. I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's far worse than Trump.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 08:22 AM
Jul 2022

Maybe people will start listening finally.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
52. That's only Step 1
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:36 PM
Jul 2022

It is a dangerous step but the real danger is step 2.

When they inevitably come to the conclusion that the students and faculty lean left (of course they do), that will give them the ammunition to try to un-skew.

Imagine University policies that would try to seek a 50-50 balance in left-right. Considering how skewed that age group is, there would need to be significant advantages given to RW BS to get there.

Mark my words, this is the goal. Favoring conservatism to get a balance that any first year sociology student would tell you shouldn't exist demographically.

As a Floridian, this guy infuriates me. It is costing me big money to send my daughter to college out of state but all things considered, it is worth it.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
56. I wonder what Playahata1 would have thought of this?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:41 PM
Jul 2022

Robin was a Prof. of English in Florida--- she passed away many years ago. I miss her voice.

lees1975

(3,859 posts)
62. Here's a great reason, Florida Democrats, to make sure this guy doesn't get a second term
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jul 2022

as governor and his chances at being elected President are beaten into the ground.

Fascists did this. In Germany and Italy in the 20's and 30's.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
63. Years ago, my memory may fail me,
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jul 2022

I remember Fla. St., but it may have been a different university, that the Kock brothers threatened to take away its university funding unless it had a say in selecting the professors.

Someone with a better memory can correct me. My memory is still good, it just doesn't last as long.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
65. Students and faculty should simply lie
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:08 PM
Jul 2022

They aren't owed honest answers to a dishonest survey.

This serves the Republicans perfectly - drive out the liberals and anyone who believes in real academic freedom, leaving the state to the fascists and ignorant. Faculty who have a choice will leave.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
73. PUBLISHED JUNE 23, 2021 Did None of you Notice this??????????????????
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jul 2022

Ugly Old news.

Very clearly violates 1st Amendment. No wiggle room for Death Santis.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
74. This is the kind of thing
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jul 2022

They would loudly and indignantly proclaim the left is doing but we all know they just preemptively say we are doing whatever they want to do.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
76. Several good responses to this "survey"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jul 2022

1 Write "member of the None of Your Business Political Party"

2 Chew up a big wad of chewing gum and stick it on the questionnaire

3 Go in the bathroom and wipe your ass with it

If survey is all online, see option # 1 above

obamanut2012

(26,077 posts)
81. It is a digital survey
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jul 2022

Sent to the employee and student's university or college email address. The answers WILL be tied to that survey.

Only FY Faculty are protected by a union. Adjuncts and all staff are not. So, you answer a certain way, you will be targeted. A friend knows soooo many staff and faculty who changed their registration to R or I, and who answered the survey like they were GOP.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
86. I do not understand why America is so calm while we race into fascism.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:56 PM
Jul 2022

The right wing's head long run into fascism needs to be a political hammer for us. We need to use it.
The right is banning:
Abortion
Birth control
EPA
Voting rights
Gun control laws
Minorities
Books
Free speech and thought
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. wiki
Call the right what they are.

aggiesal

(8,915 posts)
88. This is a way to filter out left leaning teachers from the system ...
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:10 PM
Jul 2022

and to indoctrinate left leaning students.

And the current makeup of SCOTUS will agree that this is perfectly legal.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
102. Register as independents.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 04:20 PM
Jul 2022

Wait out Desatin’s reign of terror. I’m reasonable sure he’s at the end of his rope.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,933 posts)
105. I cant believe the amount of serious people who are championing this guy, as the GQP nominee
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 07:27 AM
Jul 2022

Maybe trump set the bar so low , it makes ordinary scumbags look good! Boggles the mind.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
116. The American Stasi on the move
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 11:45 AM
Jul 2022

DeSantis will wave the banner on his march for a presidential bid in 2024.

Think Trump-level arrogance and thirst for power at any cost, only smarter

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,278 posts)
131. Fact check: Headline falsely states that Students have to register their political views in Florida
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jul 2022

Salon has had some bad crap lately including attacks on Biden and demands that its readers no longer donate to Democrats. I have seen multiple threads on DU stating that DeathSantis has signed a bill that requires all students to register their political views. Salon made this headline up and this claim is false




https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/politics/fact-check-desantis-florida-students-professors-political-views/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2022-07-08T18%3A20%3A06

The liberal website Salon has changed a headline that had falsely said a bill signed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis forces Florida's students and professors to register their political views with the state.

The 2021 law does require public colleges and universities in Florida to administer annual surveys on the subject of "intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity." But contrary to the inaccurate initial Salon headline, the law does not require anybody to register their political views. Students and faculty members can decide whether to participate in the surveys, which are anonymous.

Salon published the headline in June 2021. Its revision on Wednesday, more than a year later, came after the article went viral among some Democrats on Twitter amid talk of a possible DeSantis run for president.

Before Salon's revision, its false claim was promoted this week by various Democratic commentators, by Florida agriculture commissioner and Democratic gubernatorial candidate Nikki Fried (who subsequently deleted the tweet that linked to the Salon article), and even by renowned novelist Stephen King, who has more than 6.7 million Twitter followers and has been a harsh critic of DeSantis.
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