The Fani Willis special grand jury

[gab13by13]

I was told that Mark Meadows and Pat Cipollone couldn't be subpoenaed to the Georgia special grand jury because they were out of state.

A Georgia judge has ordered an attorney from former President Donald Trump's campaign team to testify in a special grand jury investigation about efforts to overturn the 2020 election. A state judge just ordered Kenneth Chesebro to testify before the Fulton County grand jury.

So I ask my question once again, since Fani Willis has the guts, why can't she subpoena Mark Meadows, who was involved in phone calls with Raffensperger, and Cipollone, who may be able to prove Trump's criminal intent?

Special immunity and privilege do not apply in the commission of crimes.

Asking for a real legal opinion this time. I understand if Garland is afraid that the fascist SC will grant Meadows and Cipollone immunity but doing nothing doesn't get them to testify.

[MineralMan]

1. Who would grant them immunity?

What is the "fascist SC?" Whatever that is, how could it grant anyone immunity? Please explain.

[gab13by13]

2. Here is what I was told today,

Ohio Joe (19,256 posts)

7. Different cases have different approaches...

The case in Georgia is not a mob case, the 1/6 case is... That you refuse to understand this does not change the facts. Without having underlings testifying against tfg, the DOJ case would have zero chance.

"Let's cut to the chase, Fani Willis is way ahead of DOJ. A DOJ trial of Trump would never happen until mid 2024 into 2025. A Fani Willis trial could occur much sooner. To be fair, Fani is only going through a special grand jury where she is gathering evidence, but the next step would be an indictment of Trump for as many as 4 crimes."

The next step is not an indictment, it is another Grand Jury that may return an indictment.

"I have a question for the legal beagles, why can't Fani Willis subpoena people like Pat Cipollone and Mark Meadows? Would she have to go through the courts to get them to show up? If they did show up would they get immunity in just the state of Georgia but not immunity in a federal trial, were that to happen?"

Meadows and Cipollone are not being subpoenaed in Georgia for the same reason the Meadows did not get prosecuted for refusing one from congress. It's called 'testimonial immunity'. This allows top advisors to the President to not have to testify about private conversations they have with the President. Congress gave it a gamble with Meadows and he partially complied but then stopped... Congress cannot prosecute so they made a referral to DOJ. DOJ would have had a year long legal process to try and convict that would have been eventually stopped by the Supreme Court... They would have 90% lost a contempt charge against Meadows because of testimonial immunity... Mix in partial compliance and it goes to 100%. Either the feds or Georgia giving Meadows immunity would not change testimonial immunity, he would still not have to talk about any private conversations and would only gain immunity from any crimes committed. Again... This could be fought but the Supreme Court would see to it. It would be a waste of a lot of time that you seem so concerned with.

"I wish that DOJ had run a parallel investigation along with Georgia, but it didn't."

DOJ was not asked to run a parallel investigation and without such a request, they don't just decide it will happen... They can't. They could have claimed jurisdiction and taken it themselves leaving Georgia out of the loop but did not do that... They rarely go first when a state wants to prosecute. They will still have the option of prosecuting for federal crimes when the state case is over, regardless of outcome as it is a separate crime.
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[MineralMan]

3. I'm not sure you actually understood that.

So, by the "fascist SC," you apparently meant the Supreme Court? Well, the SCOTUS can't grant anyone immunity. That's not its job. It also can't hold a trial or conduct an investigation. It can only deal with cases that have been through other courts, with a couple of exceptions that don't apply here.

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. You heard wrong. Lindsey Graham is out of state, and he has been subpoenaed.

Also, I don’t think SCOTUS has the power to grant immunity- can you name an example where they have done so? AFAIK, Immunity is granted by the prosecution or congress.