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A green revolution of low-cost energy for all keeps our future secure from global heatingand dictators.
https://socialeurope.eu/the-coming-green-hydrogen-revolution
Human-induced climate change is causing dangerous and widespread environmental disruption and affecting the lives of billions of people around the world. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the world faces unavoidable climate hazards over the next two decades. But, with average annual global greenhouse-gas emissions reaching their highest levels in human history between 2010 and 2019, we are simply not doing enough to limit global heating to 1.5C. The IPCC report released in April recommended that the world rapidly reduce fossil-fuel supply and demand between now and 2050: by 95 per cent in the case of coal, 60 per cent for oil and 45 per cent for natural gas. But how can we possibly achieve such ambitious targets?
Practical solution
The answer is by switching to green hydrogen, which can be produced from all forms of renewable energy, including solar, wind, hydro and geothermal. Green hydrogen is a zero-emissions fuel: when produced through electrolysis, the only emission is water. It is a practical and implementable solution which, by democratising energy, decarbonising heavy industry and creating jobs globally, would help revolutionise the way we power our planet.
A rapid acceleration of the green-energy transition can also fundamentally alter the geopolitical landscape, since countries will no longer be powerful simply because of the fossil fuels they produce. In 2021, Russia provided 34 per cent of Germanys crude oil and 53 per cent of the hard coal used by German power generators and steelmakers. Russian-piped natural gas was Germanys largest source of gas imports in December 2021, accounting for 32 per cent of supply. Since the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, launched his horrific, unjust war in Ukraine in February, fossil-fuel exports to Europe have been earning Russia roughly 1 billion a day.
But since the start of the invasion in February, European Union countries in particular have moved quickly to reduce their energy dependence on Russia, recently agreeing to ban all seaborne imports of Russian oil. These new sanctions against Putins war machine could cut the amount of oil the EU buys from Russia by 90 per cent this year. The United States has declared a ban on Russian oil, gas and coal imports, while the United Kingdom is phasing out imports of Russian oil by the end of 2022. These policies have sent fuel prices soaring. But sharply higher prices have also highlighted the opportunity to drive down energy costs, via investing in renewables and production of green hydrogen.
Competitive in a decade......
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mitch96
(13,912 posts)A slight change to the internal combustion engine would make the transition much easier. Also anything to stop the money flow to fund russias war effort is a plus.
Now we have to figure out how to stop the methane emissions from cow farts...
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dwayneb
(768 posts)Total emissions from global livestock:
7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic Greenhouse Gas emissions.
As far as hydrogen goes, we were working on this at Honda when I was an engineer there. They had a test vehicle and hydrogen infrastructure in California at one time.
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I remember reading about the hydrogen powered civic but the need was not critical at the time. I believe if big oil can't control the hydrogen production and sale, they will block it at every turn. They won't just roll over on this one. Too much money involved.
ymmv
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hunter
(38,317 posts)As a fuel hydrogen is a thermodynamic nightmare. As a molecule hydrogen is very difficult to contain.
Mostly hydrogen is produced from natural gas.
Nobody is going to pay for "green" hydrogen that costs significantly more than hydrogen made from natural gas.
The numbers just don't work for "green hydrogen" produced from intermittent sources of solar or wind energy yet there's been an almost cult-like belief in hydrogen as a fuel and energy storage medium for fifty years at least.
I'm convinced this continuous spew of false "renewable energy" hopes is only prolonging our dependence on fossil fuels and the fossil fuel companies know this.
Assuming our civilization survives, hydrogen will be a necessary feed stock for making practical synthetic carbon-neutral transportation fuels, but hydrogen won't be used as a fuel itself. Most of that hydrogen will be made continuously in nuclear power plants dedicated to that purpose.
Celerity
(43,416 posts)towards renewables and their various outputs, including green hydrogen. I am happy to say that the Biden administration disagrees with your green hydrogen stance as well.
Btw, it is risible to claim that Social Europe is pushing
https://earth.org/green-hydrogen-energy/
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Green Hydrogen Energy Outlook
The issue is that similar to carbon capture and sequestration, green hydrogen is not yet at a place where it is commercially viable. Emanuele Taibi, Head of Power Sector Transformation Strategies at the International Renewable Energy Agency, noted that renewable energy technologies [have] reached a level of maturity today that allows competitive renewable electricity generation all around the world, [which is] a prerequisite for competitive green hydrogen energy production. Electrolyzers, though, are still deployed at [a] very small scale, needing a scale-up of three orders of magnitude in the next three decades to reduce their cost threefold.
Costs for wind and solar power have dropped precipitously over the past several years. Similarly, the cost to produce green hydrogen is expected to lower over time. Today, green hydrogen energy produced through electrolysis using renewable power costs approximately USD$10-15 per kg, depending on availability. The cost of alkaline electrolyzers manufactured in North America and Europe fell 40% between 2014 and 2019. Due to the falling costs of electrolyzers, BloombergNEFs calculations suggest that renewable hydrogen could be produced for $0.7 to $1.6/kg in most parts of the world before 2050.
The public sector is certainly on the right path to catalyzing the growth of green hydrogen energy. On June 7 2022, President Biden pledged to support hydrogen projects via an USD $8 billion dollar investment. The Biden administrations support for the energy source is indicative of hydrogens growing momentum as a clean energy source. The Department of Energy is providing 6-7 billion dollars of funding for 61-10 hydrogen hubs across the country. But its not only in the US where green hydrogen is finding public support. As part of its trillion-dollar Green Deal package, Europe is aiming for 50% of all hydrogen production to derive from renewable energy. Currently, a massive 96% of the continents hydrogen production comes from fossil fuels.
Green hydrogen needs continued support from governments if it is going to become a viable alternative to fossil fuels. In 2018, 99% of hydrogen was made with fossil fuels. One of the reasons for this is that hydrogen is harder to store than natural gas. Therefore, up to four times more storage infrastructure needs to be built for $637 billion by 2050 to provide the same amount of energy as provided by fossil fuels. If the energy sectors can make hydrogen production more economical, clean hydrogen could meet up to 50% of the worlds energy needs by 2050. The future is looking promising for hydrogen as a viable energy source and, most importantly, one that can help transition our global economy off of fossil fuels.
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hunter
(38,317 posts)... and burnt through several senior thesis advisors trying to make it work.
It didn't turn out to be an engineering problem so much as a physics problem.
Technology improves, but physics doesn't change.
Since then many hydrogen projects have failed, technologically or economically. This won't change even as the technology of electrolysis and hydrogen storage approach their theoretical efficiencies.
If you want to know how hopeless the situation is now, the U.S. Department of Energy estimates "green" hydrogen might compete with $4.00 a gallon gasoline at an electricity price of 3.7 cents per kilowatt hour.
The cost of electricity in Germany and Denmark, both nations with aggressive renewable energy programs, is about ten times that.
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/11/f46/HPTT%20Roadmap%20FY17%20Final_Nov%202017.pdf
Hydrogen at the equivalent of forty dollars a gallon of gasoline is not going to replace fossil fuels.
Hydrogen made from intermittent electricity sources isn't going to cost much less, even when the electricity is cheap. An electrolysis unit capable of intermittent operation will be much less efficient and the capital costs to produce a given amount of hydrogen will be much higher than they are for an electrolysis unit designed to run continuously.
As an aside, desalinization plants have similar issues. The most efficient least capital intensive designs run continuously. Unlike hydrogen fresh water is easy to store.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and the oceans would be perfect for processing and storing it safely, without the need for natural gas.
hunter
(38,317 posts)Show me the math.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Apparently they're using electrolysers in conjunction with solar and wind electricity. I would trust their engineers to know what they're doing:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=SWD%3A2022%3A230%3AFIN&qid=1653033922121
Renewable hydrogen
27
(domestic and import)
27
27 bn is direct investment in electrolysers and distribution of hydrogen in the EU.
(excludes the investment of solar and wind electricity needed to produce green hydrogen; and excluding the investments needed for the imported renewable hydrogen )
About 6.6 Mt is produced domestically and included in the Fit-for-55 scenario.
RePowerEU increases the domestic production by 3.4 Mt while 6 Mt of renewable hydrogen and approximately 4 Mt of ammonia are imported.
Out of the approximately additional 10 Mt hydrogen, 8 Mt replace 27 bcm of gas, whereas the remaining 2 Mt replace oil and coal.
CEF, InvestEU, HE, ETS Funds, RRF, ERDF, CF, JTF 25
hunter
(38,317 posts)... because Germany decided to use Russian natural gas to support their impractical renewable energy schemes.
Grubbing for grants is a poor way to do science or engineering. Physical reality exists on an intersecting plane with politics. Believing things doesn't make them so in reality. Creative accounting schemes are not reality.
And don't forget this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)(not that I want to necessarily promote Shell, but they do seem to be taking a lead)
The plant will be based on the Thyssenkrupp's 20MW alkaline water electrolysis modules, with first construction work for the electrolysers to begin in the spring of this year.
https://www.upstreamonline.com/hydrogen/shell-hires-germanys-thyssenkrupp-to-build-200mw-green-hydrogen-electrolyser-in-rotterdam/2-1-1142365
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)"Green" hydrogen from electrolysis takes a lot of electricity to produce. Once created, it is stored and converted back to electricity.
There are other, more efficient ways to store electricity.