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(6,240 posts)BlueBloodedAmerican
(117 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)how does he know what I am thinking.
MiHale
(9,736 posts)Some really great friends were republicans that were able to debate our differences and hug each other when done, remaining friends.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)since GOP has gone so far off the deep end of lunacy
YoshidaYui
(41,832 posts)That REPUBLICAN PARTY who just defeated Hitler would have been appalled
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Then Reagan came along and everything went downhill from there.
YoshidaYui
(41,832 posts)Ran for President a lot of people were thinking, he would get us into a world war.... with nukes and all... /// that was way before Ronald Reagan
Haggard Celine
(16,847 posts)He was pro-gay rights and he didn't like the evangelicals at all. The Johnson campaign exaggerated some aspects of Goldwater's philosophy in the 1964 campaign, and it was effective. I'm not saying Goldwater would have been a better President than Johnson, but he was nothing like Trump or Cruz or any of these assholes in the news today.
YoshidaYui
(41,832 posts)FUCK THEM, we will have to fight to keep this DEMOCRACY , the fuckers are trying to take over...and if we are not putting up a fight than no one will get to vote again , and this dystopian scene will see either GOD EMPOROR TRUMP or a RON DESANTIS WHO WILL MAKE sure only rich white people get a pass, the rest of uss will be fodder.
Haggard Celine
(16,847 posts)Pretty much the only decent ones have been dead a long time. They've gone from a party of people who were mostly fiscal conservatives to an anti-American Nazi party.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Hotler
(11,425 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)634-5789
(4,175 posts)Higherarky
(637 posts)if Jeff would tell us how he really feels?
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)agingdem
(7,850 posts)and George Wallace and Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew and Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott and Pat Buchanan and Saxby Chambliss and Jeff Sessions and Mitch McConnell and Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley and Lindsey Graham and Donald Trump
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"It Was All a Lie" on how he became a Republican:
What a fool I was. All of these immutable truths turned out to be mere marketing slogans. None of it meant anything. I was the guy working for Bernie Madoff who actually thought we were really smart and just crushing the market. What I missed was one simple reality: It was all a lie."
He was forced to abandon his strained but deeply held illusions when the last vestiges of decades of pretense were finally abandoned by Republican voters and elected officials alike, leaving white supremacy as America's conservative whites-only party's common, most defining principle.
Now, knowing what he does, he'd only have to take a glance down your list of strong, conservative leaders over the past 60 years to know they'd always revealed the truth. Some were members of the outlier, deeply conservative Southern Democrat faction in their time, but that was just yesterday's label for today's quintessential Southern White Evangelical Republicans.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)That's what we saw on 1/6. And there are lots of them.
wildman76
(292 posts)RussellCattle
(1,535 posts)Paladin
(28,264 posts)LoisB
(7,206 posts)fantase56
(444 posts)the man has a way with words
ancianita
(36,095 posts)niyad
(113,348 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)... or maybe "assault-rifle-loving."
One of those needs to be added.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)I blame him for starting all of this shit even if not intentional on his part, his son is way cool though!
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)Or at least on the part of the people who influenced Reagan.
Reagan began, in earnest, the dismantling of the New Deal. He nominated people to Cabinet positions who were vehemently opposed to and intended to diminish the offices they heald. His education secretary was opposed to public schools, his treasury secretaries were from the Austrian and Chicago schools of economics. He took the top marginal tax rates from the 70% rates to the 30% ranges and shifted the burden of paying for social goods from the rich to the middle and working class. He cut revenue, then started taxing Social Security income to make up the gap he created.
Yes Ron Reagan Jr. is cool.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)I remember when Republicans were not the outwardly dangerous group that they are today as well.
Thing is, that changed some time ago. This is why we need to understand the origins and progression of Conservatism within the political spectrum. There was a time when almost all political entities in the US were Liberal, meaning that they attempted to follow the ideals of the Enlightenment. The Conservatives at the time were the Royalists who wanted to remain or return to being under the Crown of England. Once we gained independence and established an American identity, Conservatives were mainly the people who wanted to remain an agrarian and slave holding society.
We tend to associate (or in the case of modern Republicans, lie about) the political parties and their ideologies. Modern Democrats associate with FDR, Kennedy, and President Obama. The New Deal and the Great Society where government helps to uplift the poor and working classes. Republicans will claim Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan. They talk about the glory days of America in the post war years before "urban blight" set in.
The reality is that America has always been in a struggle between Progress and Conservatism. Progressive/Liberal ideals rest on the assumption that people are inherently equal, and what separates them is opportunity. Along those lines, the government is the instrument that helps to provide the opportunity when necessary. Conservatives think that people naturally land where they should be through their own efforts and that some people are just better than others. They see any government interference in the "natural order" as offensive and against personal liberty.
Neither world view is natural. They are both man made and socially constructed. However, the idea of change and progress has always been the human experience, otherwise we would still be roaming around as hunter gatherers. The question is whether we want our society to be top down, hierarchical and pyramid shaped where the benefits go only to the top, or whether we want a more equal and equitable distribution of the resources and benefits of society.
Conservatism tends toward the pyramid, and left to its logical progression, "the best" will be permanently entrenched at the top, which means that the logical end of Conservatism is a rigid authoritarian top down ruling structure. They will always, if unchecked, end up with a king or dictator, or oligarchic structure with a permanent underclass, which is where the Republican Party of the last 50 years has been taking us, even though there were "less extreme" people within that structure.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Faux news to make sure someday they would rise and destroy America.. fucking rupert murdoch. among them.
They know Brainwashing Lies Work on Stupid people.
Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)Tetrachloride
(7,849 posts)I'm so old, I remember when mainstream Republicans were basically reasonable people with differing views on economics, and not a festering fucktangle of democracy-hating book-banning forced-birth fascist grievance-baby shitweasels
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)RainCaster
(10,884 posts)This is not my father's GOP. This is Putin's GOP.