I just can't work up a hate for Boris Johnson like I can for the TFG.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The former doesn't seem like a fundamentally evil person. The latter does. I once told my friend the TFG is the type of guy who would get two homeless people to fight with a promise of one hundred dollars to the victor and then not pay him.

ON EDIT- Misguided, ethically challenged, sure.

The type of guy who would just be mean to people for the sake of being mean to people, no. That is my definition of evil. Basically a psychopath. IMHO Trump is a psychopath.

[Demsrule86]

1. He is evil and has destroyed the UK...I expect Scotland to leave, Next Ireland and in the end

Wales.

[moniss]

5. I would like

you to know that Ireland is not part of the UK.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I think she means Northern Ireland.

[moniss]

9. Possibly

but the North would never vote to be independent since they don't have the means economically to survive as an independent country. They are only 6 counties. Their other possibility to "leave" the UK would be to vote for reunification with Ireland and although Sinn Fein has gained ground the Loyalists are still way too strong in number and determination. Part of the unspoken agenda of the Tories/Loyalists has always been to rip up the Good Friday Agreements and the purposeful mess of Brexit has given the Loyalists the spur to call for a return to militant action. A unification vote any time soon will likely bring back the violence. Scotland may well go but I doubt if Wales would.

[Demsrule86]

16. Ireland will be reunited in the end...brexit will be the downfall of UK...good riddance.

I can assure you, I expect reunification as Southern Ireland is doing better than Northern Ireland...as those associated wth he UK never do well.

[Demsrule86]

13. I am talking about Northern Ireland...I am very familiar with the issue there. I expect there

will be a reunification of Ireland in my lifetime. Did you not know there is the Republican of Ireland and Northern Ireland...still part of UK with additional laws that date back to before the Irish Republic. My Grandad came over after WWI in the '20s...just ahead of the hangman's noose...before the Irish Republica was created. My husband's Mom and Dad came over in the 40s, they lived in Southern Ireland, Republic of Ireland. My husband is first-generation and we have the right of return as do our kids...We recently got birth certificates for my Husband's Mom and Dad...and if they go after LGBTQ in this country -having a gay daughter, we may go there.

[moniss]

36. Depending on your age there may

be a reunification in your lifetime. The most optimistic estimates I've heard for the 6 counties going that way is about 20 years. Memories need to grow less bitter. That's a very hard thing to do when the Tories keep doing things like sandbagging any accountability for the English conduct. I wish you well and hope you and your family find peace. I've been working off and on trying to write a play about Terence MacSwiney. I leave you with this video. You may have seen it before but many never have. She looks so much like her Grandfather.

[Demsrule86]

42. I hope Iive fo see it.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

2. Boris was buffered by TFG

if we had a sensible person in charge (Hillary ) Boris would have taken center stage more often and may have been gone sooner.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. If you throw around words like evil and NAZI a lot of folks will tune you out.

I do believe there have been fundamentally evil presidents, not many, and Trump was one of them. I'd throw in Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson, ironically TFG was an admirer of the former, though I doubt he knew very much about him.

[moniss]

10. I might add

Millard Fillmore. Although he did have a couple of great concert venues.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I don't know much about him.

I know Jackson and Wilson were virulent racists.

[Demsrule86]

17. There is no president ever who was more evil than Trump. He attempted to end our

Republic...I despise him and hope he dies a miserable death in the end.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I despise him every bit as much as you do.

As a God fearing man I'll leave his fate up to God.

[Demsrule86]

31. Yeah, me too...I hope he burns for eternity. I would say we do not know enormity of Trump's

crimes. I have no doubt he is responsible for killing people while he played house with the mob...I also believe he meant to assassinate Pence and Pelosi during the insurrection.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Misguided, ethically challenged, sure.

The type of guy who would just be mean to people for the sake of being mean to people, no. That is my definition of evil.

[Demsrule86]

18. Brexit was based on racism...he is just as evil. The UK can't even feed themselves the situation

dire.

[milestogo]

4. Well, he's their asshole, not ours.

[Demsrule86]

22. Thank God, we don't need any more assholes...Trump ET AL was enough of one for century or more.

[MineralMan]

7. Not your country, though.

Makes a difference.

[herding cats]

11. I don't think we've learned the worst of Johnson yet.

The Alexander Lebedev story has more to it than what is public at this point. There's definitely more layers to that onion.

The links between TFG and Johnson are strikingly similar, as are their destruction of the nations they led. The differences in their styles and personalities are, to my eyes, reflective of their nations of origin. Meaning, TFG wouldn't have worked in the UK anymore than Johnson would have here in the US. Yet they both inflicted massive damage to their nations.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Why do you believe Brits couldn't embrace a TFG?

Because he's a buffoon?

[herding cats]

20. He's a touch too brass for their taste

It's not that they couldn't be sold on extremist ideology, as Brexit proves, it's that the messenger needs to have different veneer to work there.

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Too obviously full of himself, and of shit

Johnson has a genuine sense of humour, and is able to laugh at himself, which has humanised him a lot in voters' eyes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. That's why I can't hate him plus he's socially liberal.

[AZProgressive]

28. Is liking Boris Johnson

Part of the fishhook theory? The centrists in the UK like Starmer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I like him better than Trump. That's not a high bar.

Plus I don't think he wants to destroy liberal democracy nor do I think his party does. I believe Trump and most of his party do.

[Joinfortmill]

15. Me too

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. About the same level as Nixon, perhaps

I can see what you mean; Boris Johnson and Nixon don't come across as quite "awful in every respect". They have/had decent relations with their children, as far as I know (though Johnson took ages to acknowledge one publicly; I believe he's always paid required child support/divorce settlements, however). But we could see that being as ethically vacant as Nixon could still produce awful results - look at Cambodia.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Nixon was from all accounts a great dad.

I keep coming back to Trump. His meanness was gratuitous. That makes him special, specially awful. I can name historical figures I especially dislike and he is one of them .

[Retrograde]

21. I think of Johnson as Donnie's

younger and stupider brother - he would like to be like TFG but he doesn't have the smarts - or maybe he doesn't have the fundamental mean streak.

[vanlassie]

27. Have you seen this? Clearly a sociopath.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216898485

[Kaleva]

29. Ukrainians love him

[rogue emissary]

32. take 8 minutes and watch this video.

Link to tweet

I think you might change your mind.

[Boomerproud]

35. Wow. How did he seduce so many women, and a political party?

Yikes!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Kissinger said power was the ultimate aphrodisiac.

Look at Trump. He certainly punched above his weight when it came to attracting women.

[rogue emissary]

41. As we're seeing with Musk. Money and power can get you just about anything.

[Mysterian]

33. I think you're wrong

Johnson is an evil person.

[BannonsLiver]

43. No doubt

Still doesn’t make him as evil as Trump.

[DickKessler]

34. Johnson and his government are responsible for many thousands of COVID deaths in the UK.

In much the same way the Trump mis-administration and his Republican enablers in Congress and in various state capitols are responsible for mass death here.

Fuck all of the right-wing assholes on both sides of the pond.

[Kaleva]

37. Ukrainians love him

[867-5309.]

38. He's a turd

and the fact you can think of a bigger turd doesn't change much.

[GoneOffShore]

40. I lived in England for 10 years when Maggie came to power.

BoJo is Maggie, but worse.

He's a shrink wrapped weasel.