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brooklynite

(94,600 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 04:52 PM Jul 2022

Tourists Are Flocking Back to NYC, But Fear of Crime May Be Keeping Day-Trippers Away

In the past few weeks, some DU folks have opined that they'd never come here if they lived abroad.

Fortunately for New York, plenty of foreigners are.


Tired of being stuck at home in Bologna, Italy, Frederico Lelli decided in January to book a summer trip to New York City with his children, his cousin and his cousin’s wife. He’d been to the city five times already, but Lelli wanted to introduce his family to the Big Apple.

On Tuesday, the Lellis had breakfast at a Dunkin Donuts in Times Square, sampling the chain restaurant’s signature fried dough for the first time. Then they headed downtown to check out Wall Street, Chinatown and Little Italy before seeking out more off-the-beaten track destinations.

“We wanted to get some freedom back and why not come to New York,” Lelli said. “We knew when we booked the trip there was some risk of cancellation and things like that, but why not take the risk.”

Today, millions of people like Lelli have decided to follow the same path and, in a sign of hope for the city’s economy, tourism to New York City is rebounding much stronger than expected

https://www.thecity.nyc/economy/2022/7/6/23197456/tourists-back-nyc-fear-crime-day-trippers-hotels-restaurants.

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Tourists Are Flocking Back to NYC, But Fear of Crime May Be Keeping Day-Trippers Away (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2022 OP
My daughter, her husband & two grandkids just got back last night from nyc questionseverything Jul 2022 #1
As a Native NYC'r I'm glad they had a good time. I love asking visitors on bus, subway if I hear... electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #3
We are from central Illinois so we don't have an accent questionseverything Jul 2022 #6
Ha, ha..... electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #9
See these articles on what's considered the most accent-free American highplainsdem Jul 2022 #14
Ty, Interesting... electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #15
One time in NYC I was stopped by a TV crew doing "man on the street" interviews DFW Jul 2022 #7
Ha, that's a great story although those in the biggest cities might have "gotten it". electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #8
In New York City DFW Jul 2022 #10
My grandparents were either from there or settled there after moving north DFW Jul 2022 #2
Cool! ... electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #4
I would visit. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #5
I don't buy that...people who live near New York went there when crime was worse than now. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #11
I hope NYC can get back to normal. I lived there twice in the 1970s, highplainsdem Jul 2022 #12
I've even seen quite a few foreign tourists in Dorian Gray Jul 2022 #13
That's mostly good news, good! I used to live at the western edge of .. electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #16
Aw Dorian Gray Jul 2022 #17
Bullshit headline reeks of dogwhistle racism. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #18

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
1. My daughter, her husband & two grandkids just got back last night from nyc
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jul 2022

They loved everything but the rats.

That freaked them out , it was on the subway tracks so not close to them but that was the big downside

My daughter even dropped her wallet and a guy picked it up and chased her to return it, shows there’s good people everywhere!

electric_blue68

(14,913 posts)
3. As a Native NYC'r I'm glad they had a good time. I love asking visitors on bus, subway if I hear...
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jul 2022

say a Boston, Wisconsin, Southern, Texas accent, or International ones.

I ask if they're first time or revisiting. I thank them for visiting, and ask how it going for them
It's fun. 👍🙂

If I'm not in a rush - appointment,vor store closing soon if I see people looking at a map I'll see if they need help.

I like okaying tour guide. I love 🥰 my city!
And many people helped me when I went across the country fully, and 2/3rd of the.
And helpful French people in Paris.

electric_blue68

(14,913 posts)
9. Ha, ha.....
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 07:18 PM
Jul 2022

You'll get a laugh I think
.When I travel across the USA one time someone told me - cause I chat a bit with seatmate that I don't sound
like an NYC'r.

I was confused (in my head).

Later I thought - maybe from older movies where you had the "tiody-toird" (thirty-third) Street accent ?

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
14. See these articles on what's considered the most accent-free American
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 09:46 PM
Jul 2022

speech. Particularly North Midland.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_American_English

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English

My dad worked in radio for a while and I was always told that northern, but not too far north, Midwest and (eastern) Great Plains was the broadcast standard for avoiding acents. Too far north in the Dakotas or Minnesota and you get a noticeable accent. Similarly, southern Missouri is too far south. The North Midland region starts in Pennsylvania and runs west to eastern Kansas and Nebraska. But experts do see accent and dialect changes continuing.

Anyway...what questionseverything said about central Illinois not having an accent is correct.

electric_blue68

(14,913 posts)
15. Ty, Interesting...
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:10 AM
Jul 2022

Heh that Midland speech showing up in Charleston SC, Austin, Tx! Heh.

That California white guy - I never would have, well I guess should say I don't know what a "white" California accent would sound like - I detected no accent!

DFW

(54,410 posts)
7. One time in NYC I was stopped by a TV crew doing "man on the street" interviews
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 07:08 PM
Jul 2022

They were from German TV, and they were asking me about what I thought of Hillary in the primaries (a few years ago, obviously). I said, well if you're from German TV, then I'll speak German. They were blown away, said I could speak like a native, but they couldn't use my interview, since the average German viewer would never believe they had stopped a random American on the street in NYC, and he just happened to speak fluent German, and had met Hillary a few times.

DFW

(54,410 posts)
10. In New York City
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jul 2022

You should NEVER discount the possibility that someone in the street might be fluent in ANY language spoken today, or even some spoken no longer.

Actually, much of America is like that. I was with my family in Honoka'a, Hawai'i a little over 2 months ago, in a tiny shop, when I was astonished to hear Catalan being spoken behind me. I turned around and spoke to the Catalan-speaking couple, who were floored that in some tiny town on the Big Island with a population numbering in the hundreds, not thousands, that they would happen upon an American who spoke Catalan. Things like that have happened to me even in NYC as well. Never EVER assume no one understands what you are saying, because that is just the moment when you are standing next to someone who understands you perfectly.

That goes for Americans, too, by the way. When Obama was set to announce his choice for VP in 2008, I knew who it was about 10 hours before he announced it publicly. My nephew, who looks like a full-blooded Japanese (his mom is) and was somewhat small in stature even at age 18, was at an indoor pool in northern Virginia that day very early in the morning. The only other people there were two staffers from then-Senator Biden's office. They had been informed already and, figuring the only other person at the pool was some Asian kid who obviously understood no English, jabbered away about how excited they were that Biden would be Obama's pick for VP. My nephew doesn't even speak Japanese, and that summer, he was interning for the DC office of the Texas Democrats. Born and raised in Virginia, his English was just fine, needless to say. But he wisely didn't say a word, and then came home and told his dad, my brother, who immediately let me in on the news. By the way, I did let DU know, but said that I couldn't reveal my source, since I didn't want to get anyone in trouble. I was roundly trashed (LINK????) with a scornful round of "how do YOU know?" and "what makes YOU so special?" and only one of them apologized. Oh, well.....

I waited YEARS to tell the story, too. Some people in DC read DU, and in case any of the two women at that pool that day had stayed on with Biden when he became VP, I didn't want it tossed in their faces until it was very old news.

DFW

(54,410 posts)
2. My grandparents were either from there or settled there after moving north
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jul 2022

My elder daughter, born and raised in our medieval town outside Düsseldorf, spent the last two years of her college studies there, and said, "this is home," and has lived there ever since. It's not everyone's favorite place to visit or live, but it sure is the favorite place to visit and/or live for a LOT of people.

electric_blue68

(14,913 posts)
4. Cool! ...
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jul 2022

I know for some people it's a Big No!


But I'm sure glad that so many love to visit ...

except for very rude, very careless people.
And I guess more Magats would stay away.

Since I've never known anything else- although I spent a lot of time w my cousins as a kid, and mid teen in a No. NJ town a modest Central section with some appartment buildings, but mostly single, and double homes, and a few mansions - I sort of have a feel for it, too.

I love being here, and in a World City.

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
12. I hope NYC can get back to normal. I lived there twice in the 1970s,
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jul 2022

in Manhattan, when I believe the crime rate was worse than it is now, but I found it a fascinating city, with most of the people I met very friendly and helpful to people who weren't natives. I lived on the Upper East Side, the West Side, and the Murray Hill district. Loved Central Park, the museums, the restaurants and the clubs.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
13. I've even seen quite a few foreign tourists in
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jul 2022

Boerum Hill, Cobble Hill, Brooklyn Bridge Park and Brooklyn Heights. They're BAAAAACK!

electric_blue68

(14,913 posts)
16. That's mostly good news, good! I used to live at the western edge of ..
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:27 AM
Jul 2022

Prospect Hgts for much of the '00s.

I'd go partly by bus on Flatbush Av then either walk up, or bus some on Atlantic Ave then go walking on Smith St.

There was a ? Brazilian restaurant I'd go to, also further south a wonderful French Cafe. May have had my first 🧡 macarons there.
I also definitely went several time there specifically for Bastille Day. I'd end up at that cafe, but along the way they had a few blocks of petenque going on. That was fun to watch. Sometimes there was singing.

Fun memories!

Hopefully next Bastille Day frikkin' covid will be waaay less, or fucking gone and ai could go again.

And this time I'll have been in Paris!

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
17. Aw
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 07:10 AM
Jul 2022

The area is changing a lot. Lots of buildings going up. But this summer definitely feels buzzy and busy. Smith Street has Open Streets on Saturdays now (no cars) and it feels festive and fun and lovely. (5th avenue in Park Slope has same.)

Lots of good changes and bad changes.... but still love living here.

Voltaire2

(13,067 posts)
18. Bullshit headline reeks of dogwhistle racism.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 09:39 AM
Jul 2022

Tourism is up beyond expectations but somehow crime is keeping tourists away.

Same old lawnorder fear mongering, which as always doesn’t pass the racist sniff test.

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