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Nevilledog

(51,121 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:28 AM Jul 2022

There's a coup going on in Pennsylvania



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Elizabeth H.C. McLaughlin (she/her)
@ECMcLaughlin
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Jul 7, 2022
There is some absolutely bonkers shit happening in the dead of night in the Pennsylvania Senate right now thanks to the PA GOP. They are forcing through a vote on a PA Constitutional Amendment that would declare a fertilized egg a person. Bye bye IVF & abortion. Miscarry? Prison.

Stephen Caruso
@StephenJ_Caruso
The Pa. Senate has preemptively waived a rule banning votes after 11 p.m., and now is holding a committee meeting on an omninus constitional amendment including voter ID and language that "the policy of Pa. is to protect the life of every unborn child from conception to birth."

Elizabeth H.C. McLaughlin (she/her)
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They’re also shoving through a voter ID amendment too.

Garbage. Hot trash. Waived a rule that said they had to stop debate at 11 pm ET to keep going.

This country is an absolute mess.
9:13 PM · Jul 7, 2022
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There's a coup going on in Pennsylvania (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
Surely something more than a majority legislative vote is needed to enshrine these, right? LonePirate Jul 2022 #1
It requires a majority vote of both chambers of the legislature Jose Garcia Jul 2022 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2022 #2
Wolf won't sign them. tirebiter Jul 2022 #3
The governor can't veto a constitutional amendment. Qutzupalotl Jul 2022 #4
Asshole Nazi Xtian Fascists. dchill Jul 2022 #5
It will never pass the voters to become an amendment PortTack Jul 2022 #7
yup, these are publicity stunts, nothing more Amishman Jul 2022 #15
That depends on who is allowed to vote, and who counts the votes. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #23
"the policy of Pa. is to protect the life of every unborn child from conception to birth." AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #6
And once that baby's born, the GOP checks out completely. calimary Jul 2022 #8
You luv, nailed it! arthritisR_US Jul 2022 #9
Your post, in picture form Nevilledog Jul 2022 #21
This also means child support needs to start as soon as a pregnancy is confirmed obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #12
Yep, calimary Jul 2022 #24
More Context Here modrepub Jul 2022 #10
Dems voted to allow working past the legislative COB time Deminpenn Jul 2022 #18
Why Am I Not Surprised modrepub Jul 2022 #26
PA doesn't have a mechanism for referendums Deminpenn Jul 2022 #11
only tangentially related, they passed an amendment a few years ago for property tax reform Amishman Jul 2022 #16
That never made it on to the ballot, iirc Deminpenn Jul 2022 #17
It was on the ballot five years ago and passed Amishman Jul 2022 #19
Be Careful What You Ask For modrepub Jul 2022 #27
It's like the GOP wants to punish you for having sex. nt Samrob Jul 2022 #13
And after they're born, they won't do jack sh*t to protect them. tanyev Jul 2022 #14
I hope our side is staying up late too. ecstatic Jul 2022 #20
Indeed. AT LEAST a six-alarm fire. But probably a lot bigger than even that. calimary Jul 2022 #25

Jose Garcia

(2,598 posts)
22. It requires a majority vote of both chambers of the legislature
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jul 2022

in two consecutive sessions, after which it must be approved by the voters in a referendum.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)
3. Wolf won't sign them.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:41 AM
Jul 2022

And they’re already losing the Mastriano v Shapiro gubenatorial race. Keep up the awareness, regardless.

Qutzupalotl

(14,317 posts)
4. The governor can't veto a constitutional amendment.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:00 AM
Jul 2022

This is a naked power grab.

On edit: it won't take effect immediately:



Just want to add here: Constitutional amendments in PA become law by passing the Legislature two sessions in a row (2021-22, 2023-24) then getting put up for a referendum. Assuming this measure passes Senate and House now, than the earliest it could reach voters is spring 2023

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
15. yup, these are publicity stunts, nothing more
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 08:30 AM
Jul 2022

Both have essentially zero chance of passing once on the ballot.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
23. That depends on who is allowed to vote, and who counts the votes.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:07 PM
Jul 2022

Radical Republican extremists are at work in legislatures and courts to choose their voters and increase their power to override election results.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,698 posts)
6. "the policy of Pa. is to protect the life of every unborn child from conception to birth."
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:53 AM
Jul 2022

Life before birth, life after death. . .in between, who cares?

As Carlin said: IF you're pre-born you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
8. And once that baby's born, the GOP checks out completely.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:34 AM
Jul 2022

It’s not so much about the unborn as it is about subjugating women. If they cared about the newborn, they’d be pushing and passing every kind of aid program to help support new mothers, baby’s needs of every kind, aid to families and single heads-of-households, daycare and pre-school programs, school breakfasts and lunches, health care for babies, new moms, toddlers and pre-schoolers, and more.

modrepub

(3,496 posts)
10. More Context Here
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:32 AM
Jul 2022

The Commonwealth budget hasn't been passed yet. It's 8 days overdue and the Senate is F-ing around with nonsense. Republican priorities at their best.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
18. Dems voted to allow working past the legislative COB time
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 09:56 AM
Jul 2022

to work on the budget. Costa said they expected to reconvene at 9AM today to resume budget talks, but then Rs used the COB deadline extention to take up the this anti-abortion and voter ID bill and pass it.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2022/07/08/pennsylvania-senate-republicans-advance-constitutional-amendment-to-restrict-abortion-and-call-for-voter-ids-roe-v-wade/stories/202207080073

modrepub

(3,496 posts)
26. Why Am I Not Surprised
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jul 2022

Dummies. And that's why Republicans continue to divert $ away from blue areas of the state to fund highways in the middle of nowhere all in the guise of economic stimulation. Total BS.

State Dems better figure out how to play hard ball or they will continue to get their clocks rung (and we will continue to allow tax revenue to be diverted to areas of the state with shrinking populations/tax bases).

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
11. PA doesn't have a mechanism for referendums
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 06:01 AM
Jul 2022

That's why the Rs are using the constitutional amendment process. The bill has to be passed in two consecutive legislative sessions before it can be on the ballot. The way the Rs work it, is they pass a bill with the second session passing it timed to coincide with a low turnout primary election where Rs voting usually outnumber Ds. That would be the case here assuming they can pass the bill again next session. But abortion is a hot button issue for both Ds and Rs now and the risk is the primary might be a very high turnout.

The problem for the Rs here is the 2022 legislative redistricting created more competitive districts although the state senate, because it's smaller (50), fared better than the state house (203). We'll see what happens in November.

The last time the legislature tried this midnight gambit was giving themselves a pay raise which completely blew up in their faces in 2005. Voters were mad! The first election after that was a judicial retention where Russell Nigro actually lost the retention vote, something that never before happened or since. Lots of other legislators lost re-election bids, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Pennsylvania_General_Assembly_pay_raise_controversy

I can see this particular action blowing up on the Rs, too.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
16. only tangentially related, they passed an amendment a few years ago for property tax reform
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 08:31 AM
Jul 2022

and absolutely nothing has happened since, the amendment has been ignored.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
17. That never made it on to the ballot, iirc
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 09:50 AM
Jul 2022

Anyway, the legislature would have to pass this amendment again next year for it to get on the 2023 ballot. If there's high turnout in the midterms fueled by opposition to SCOTUS overturning Roe, my bet is the amendment will die a quiet death.

modrepub

(3,496 posts)
27. Be Careful What You Ask For
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jul 2022

Just about everyone in this state hates the property tax. I get it. But there's never been any viable alternative put forth that wouldn't, IMO, exasperate the already unfair distribution of general tax revenues in this state.

If you're for increasing the sales tax to replace part of the property tax, then by default big (democratic) counties where there are naturally more economic transactions will be making up a larger share of the collected taxes.

From the 2020 Census:

Elk County: Pop = 30,783
Retail Sales Per Capita = $12,802
6% Sales Tax Est. = $2.4M

Montgomery County: Pop = 860,578
Retail Sales Per Capita = $22,150
6% Sales Tax Est. = $1,144M

I don't think a sales tax (increase) in Elks County would ever be able to fully fund their school districts. Most school district's yearly budgets are much more than $2.4M/yr. So I assume counties like Montgomery would have some of their tax monies diverted to Elk to support their school district.

And another thing, if you're local school district can't make it work with whatever funding formula the Harrisburg bureaucrats concoct, it's tough sh-t or you'll have to generate it via local property taxes.

Yea this is a quick and dirty analysis but unless there's some magic BS money tree going out in PA that politicians know about it's the same story across the state. Too many parts of PA have shrinking populations/tax bases and the rest of us get to sponsor them. The folks in Harrisburg won't save you (if anything, they'll rob you blind). Until we recognize the problem and directly confront it, we're just kicking the can down the road.

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