This whole family is nuts- Highland Park shooter

[AkFemDem]

No wonder this kid was so screwed up. Various snippets:

“Highland Park police were called to the family home of the alleged Independence Day parade sniper at least nine times between 2010 and 2014 in response to domestic disputes, according to newly released police records.”

“On two occasions, Crimo Jr. and Pesina called the police on one another for attempts to drive while intoxicated, which escalated.”

“Pesina pleaded guilty to driving under the influence in Lake County in 2012. In 2002, Pesina pleaded guilty to a child endangerment charge after leaving Crimo III, then about 2 years old, alone in a car with the windows rolled up for 27 minutes in the parking lot of a toy store, according to court records. It was approximately 79 degrees outside during that incident.”

“A neighbor of the family, who declined to be named, told a Tribune reporter Thursday that police would come to the Highland Park home on a seemingly weekly basis when the alleged shooter’s parents lived there together.”







https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-highland-park-crimo-family-20220708-n34hdnbcyrhxte6lg7rkfwpskm-story.html

[maxsolomon]

1. Crimo III is still responsible for his actions.

No parental neglect justifies a Rampage Shooting.

[AkFemDem]

2. There's looking for justification...

And there’s looking for causation. Two very different things.

And I’m not at all so sure the shooter alone is culpable here. Holding his parents responsible for their role doesn’t somehow let him off the hook.

[Srkdqltr]

3. They are holding the Oxford school shooters parents accountable.

[Caliman73]

9. Slightly different.

The Oxford school shooter is a minor.

Still, if the family facilitated (which signing a waiver on a prohibited act, seems to be facilitation) the guy to be able to carry out the shooting, then they should be held accountable for their part.

[Srkdqltr]

13. True and they had a good idea that he had the gun that day.

[maxsolomon]

12. Correlation, not causation.

The most irresponsible action here is Crimo II sponsoring his offspring's firearms purchase. I'm not sure there will be legal consequences for that.

[Caliman73]

7. Failing to see where anyone justified anything...

Explaining where a person picks up pathologies is not justifying it. It is explaining.

Humans are pretty resilient. Many of us have suffered abuse, trauma, and difficult situations, but we are able to regulate our emotions sufficiently to prevent us from doing anything that would cause major problems for ourselves and others.

People who come from families where there is constant conflict and likely domestic abuse, have a higher probability of developing emotional problems. The frequency and severity of the situation can add to the problems.

I read it as a statement saying, "no wonder the guy was so messed up, the family was messed up".

Having a messed up family doesn't mean you will be a mass murderer, but if you look at most people who have done horrible things, you are not likely to find that they came from families who were supportive and nurturing in a healthy way. You will likely find conflict, emotional, and physical abuse.

Why do you think the FBI and other investigative agencies have "profiles" that they look for when investigating certain crimes? They understand that certain patterns of behavior and experience have some predictive value.

[maxsolomon]

15. OK, then.

No parental neglect explains a Rampage Shooting.

[Caliman73]

20. It can certainly provide information about the shooter.

Who is more likely to engage in violence?


A. A person who receives healthy, nurturing support, strong but reasonable limits, and positive regard from there family.

B. A person who witnesses domestic violence constantly, is a victim of abuse themselves, and is exposed to radicalization as a result of looking to escape the chaos at home.

If you were an investigator looking into backgrounds on shooting suspects, where would you look? Who would be your suspect.


It wasn't "neglect" it was trauma. Exposure to real life violence is traumatic. It can literally change brain chemistry. It does not justify, nor perfectly predict the type of violence committed by Grimo III, but I am curious as to why you seem so dug in about dismissing any discussion of the experiences and family situation. Learning about that can help to deal with future situations, especially since Republicans are so dead set on the mental health aspect.

[maxsolomon]

21. I'm not "dug in".

It's sadly predictable. We see it over and over again. It's basically a given for a Rampage Killer.

There will always be traumatized, alienated young men. But in this country, they buy MSSAs with credit cards and stimulus checks.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is more important than the right to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

[Caliman73]

22. You are right.

Except the discussion was not about guns, the OP was about the messed up family life that facilitated that idea that a rampage shooting was a viable option.

I 100% agree that easy access to firearms and glorification of violence as a solution to grievance, are also major factors in the problems we have.

Solutions have to be from multiple angles from limiting access to firearms to strengthening communities and helping with opportunity for growth so that people do not feel compelled to lash out violently.

[maxsolomon]

24. We will never stop creating alienated young males.

Either America is incapable of it, or Humanity is, and it's probably the latter.

There will always be some small percentage of the male population that will be compelled to lash out violently. That is my sad conclusion after watching this American carnage for decades.

I apologize for derailing the the discussion about his fucked-up parents.

[Caliman73]

25. Just remember, while the goal would be to eliminate the problem

Mitigating it to the point where it isn't a crisis, is often the best we can do, and it is worth the effort.

You don't need to apologize for anything. Good discussions are good discussions, and this has been a good one.

[maxsolomon]

27. Yes, I've tried to make the reduction/mitigation argument

many times on DU and elsewhere.

Binary, 100% fixes are impossible.

[underpants]

4. So the Dad wasn't charged so he was able to sign off on the gun? GOD!!

Painting on the back of the house.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/33DGxpx9QvJwI29uQMnnj8tP1A4=/768x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/ANUN72EIOVH23NZ7VKMSY5CPOY.jpg

[ARPad95]

8. On top of that, 3 seemingly able-bodied men (Crimo III questionable at 120 lbs) resided there

and that's the state the yard is in?

It screams "incels live here."

[underpants]

14. So is the 47 on the car thought to be a Trump reference?

I heard a true idiot talk radio host try to dismiss the 47 thing a few days ago. That, of course, told me most of what I needed to know.

[ARPad95]

16. This video game character...

Agent 47 (or simply 47) is a fictional character and the player protagonist of the Hitman video game franchise, developed by IO Interactive. He has been featured in all games of the series, as well as various spin-off media, including two theatrically released films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47

[underpants]

17. Ok. Thanks.

[DBoon]

5. The suspect looks to me like the face of fetal alchol syndrome

This story supports this possibility

[DURHAM D]

10. Interesting.

[AkFemDem]

18. Wow, I just googled FAS facial characteristics

And you are spot on!

[obamanut2012]

23. I actually wondered that, too

I wish I could see his philtrum better.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. Could've sworn I read the 'alleged' sniper has plead guilty

Do I misremember?

[localroger]

19. He confessed. I don't think he's entered a plea yet. /nt

[MrsCoffee]

26. According to the lawyer he is pleading not guilty.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/suspect-highland-park-parade-shooting-intends-plead-not-guilty-fox-affiliate-2022-07-06/

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-07-06/suspect-in-highland-park-parade-shooting-intends-to-plead-not-guilty-fox-affiliate

[2naSalit]

11. Similar in ways to...

That trio in Michigan.

[yardwork]

28. It sounds like both parents had serious drinking problems.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. Who is surprised by this?

This family is full of TFG supporters