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Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:27 PM Jul 2022

Woman-her arthritis medication "Oh Hold" until they can verify she won't be using it for abortion

When Alabama nurse Melissa went to pick up her regular prescription for rheumatoid arthritis last week, she was told the drug was "on hold" while the pharmacist checked she wasn't going to use it to induce an abortion.

"He said, 'Well I have to verify if you're on any contraceptives to prevent pregnancy.' The hell you do," she recalled thinking.

Melissa -- who is in her early forties and asked to be identified only by her first name for fear that speaking out might affect her livelihood -- then called her doctor, who succeeded in having the pharmacy in the southern US state release the medicine.

"I picked it up a couple hours later, but I felt violated," she told AFP, explaining she had had a hysterectomy six years ago, and that her lack of recent contraceptive history may have led the pharmacist to suspect she was pregnant.


https://news.yahoo.com/us-abortion-ruling-threatens-access-011837332.html

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Woman-her arthritis medication "Oh Hold" until they can verify she won't be using it for abortion (Original Post) Maraya1969 Jul 2022 OP
Kick dalton99a Jul 2022 #1
Pharmacy Taliban. dchill Jul 2022 #2
Cathovengelical Inquisition wnylib Jul 2022 #11
Correct. Abigail_Adams Jul 2022 #49
The arthritis foundation posted a statement on Facebook Danmel Jul 2022 #3
very cool NJCher Jul 2022 #44
Another example of why the government needs to keep their dumbasses walkingman Jul 2022 #4
Right on! mvd Jul 2022 #9
hubby is a pharmacist and he would have been fired by now... samnsara Jul 2022 #5
Time for ADA lawsuits IbogaProject Jul 2022 #6
I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2022 #43
Until SCOTUS guts the ADA. And there are a lot of people who think they will if NYC Liberal Jul 2022 #59
This is just beyond the pale. Diamond_Dog Jul 2022 #7
Talibangelists are on the march... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #8
Goddamn, someone pick a leg & everyone get together! HuskyOffset Jul 2022 #42
In this Jan. 18, 2021, photo, new Afghan National Army troops march during their graduation ceremony Celerity Jul 2022 #56
That's an insult and a blatant violation of privacy. lpbk2713 Jul 2022 #10
Just try getting Plan B from such a pharmacist Hekate Jul 2022 #41
Women need to start buying and carrying AK-47s and AR-15s in these states. TygrBright Jul 2022 #12
Rheumatoid arthritis meds can induce abortions? wnylib Jul 2022 #13
While this is only anecdotal, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2022 #22
Some women do, and some women don't JustAnotherGen Jul 2022 #45
Wow. demmiblue Jul 2022 #14
New York can't ask the reason for a concealed carry permit gratuitous Jul 2022 #15
One is just a pocket, the other is a WOMB with no view. TigressDem Jul 2022 #58
Next up: Taking a pregnancy test before being allowed to purchase wire clothes hangers. LoisB Jul 2022 #16
Let's go one step further leftieNanner Jul 2022 #17
Yes! Ridiculous, isn't it? LoisB Jul 2022 #19
Seems like a HIPAA violation to me. CaptainTruth Jul 2022 #18
The patient is asked to sign a long HIPAA consent form which authorizes certain disclosures. Marcuse Jul 2022 #24
See my post #32 Hekate Jul 2022 #39
HHS updated info on HIPAA required and permitted disclosure requirements updated in June 2022 Justice Jul 2022 #48
Tell Walgreens that DENVERPOPS Jul 2022 #50
Handmaids Tale, in real time edition. sarcasmo Jul 2022 #20
So why did we have to send young men & women to Iraq & Afghanistan to fight the Taliban over there? usaf-vet Jul 2022 #21
Hyde Amendment means no federal money can ever be used for abortion or even mention it... Hekate Jul 2022 #38
It's likely the methotrexate I'm on for RA, considered an "essential drug" Hortensis Jul 2022 #23
not using birth control is not equal to maybe being pregnant Layzeebeaver Jul 2022 #25
Probably methotrexate. And what if she is not even sexually active? lostnfound Jul 2022 #54
exactly Layzeebeaver Jul 2022 #55
NEXT: GOP to ban all Wire Coat-hangers, allowing only plastic. ashredux Jul 2022 #26
The neighbor girl who died from her self induced abortion used a long knitting needle irisblue Jul 2022 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Jul 2022 #53
This woman felt violated because MontanaMama Jul 2022 #27
MASSIVE pet peeve of mine!!! Truth_Serum Jul 2022 #28
Isn't this a medical privacy violation? SpankMe Jul 2022 #29
"Conscience clause" see my post #32 Hekate Jul 2022 #34
If she was a man this wouldn't have happened. yardwork Jul 2022 #30
Privacy is under attack. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #31
The groundwork was laid for this during Dubya's admin, when "conscience clauses" were added... Hekate Jul 2022 #32
Exactly! Truth_Serum Jul 2022 #36
Hope she can go to a different pharmacy Marthe48 Jul 2022 #33
Insulting, controlling, and invasive. Insurance companies will do anything to deny coverage. Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #35
This is only the beginning iemanja Jul 2022 #37
That is so wrong in many ways! BlueJac Jul 2022 #40
Well at least they didn't call Melissa's Dad, so there's that FakeNoose Jul 2022 #46
I would immediately change pharmacists relayerbob Jul 2022 #47
Oh FFS... Blue Owl Jul 2022 #51
Yeah, shouldn't have to prove it, but ain't no baby there. nt TigressDem Jul 2022 #57

Abigail_Adams

(304 posts)
49. Correct.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jul 2022

No pharmacist should have that power. Nor should the ones who have tried to refuse to fill contraception and emergency contraception scripts in the past. A legal medication prescribed by doctor must be provided; the pharmacist's fee-fees don't matter one whit.

NJCher

(35,685 posts)
44. very cool
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:14 PM
Jul 2022

they are offering to help if anyone is having trouble and they even have a Spanish speaking expert. "We fully respect your right to privacy."

walkingman

(7,628 posts)
4. Another example of why the government needs to keep their dumbasses
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:54 PM
Jul 2022

out of medical decisions. Medical treatment should be decided between the person and their doctor.

IbogaProject

(2,816 posts)
6. Time for ADA lawsuits
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

FDA approved medicine prescribed by a Doctor it is unconscionable that any flunkie politicians or right wing activists get in the way of some one treating their condition.
I'm a Type 1 diabetic I've faced a situation where I can buy insulin w/o a script but the pharmacist won't sell even 10 needles even in a state w mandated needle access.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
43. I agree
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:13 PM
Jul 2022

Folks with auto immune diseases need to take what their specialists are prescribing them.

Metho didn't work for mine (A.S.) but it is WONDERFUL for my mom's R.A.

Diamond_Dog

(32,005 posts)
7. This is just beyond the pale.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

It is SO *NOT* their business!

Is the pharmacy afraid that we immoral and ruthless women are running around now trying to induce abortions just for fun?? GAH!

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
56. In this Jan. 18, 2021, photo, new Afghan National Army troops march during their graduation ceremony
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jul 2022
after a three-month training program at the Afghan Military Academy in Kabul, Afghanistan.




White House Proposes Slight Boost in Aid for Afghan Forces

https://www.voanews.com/a/south-central-asia_white-house-proposes-slight-boost-aid-afghan-forces/6206351.html

May 28, 2021

The United States is hoping more money will help make up for the absence of U.S. combat troops on the ground in Afghanistan.

U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday unveiled his proposed $715 billion defense budget for fiscal year 2022, including $3.3 billion for Afghan forces. The request is $300 million more than what the U.S. gave Afghanistan this past fiscal year. If approved by Congress, the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund money would help cover equipment and training requirements, as well as infrastructure, for the 352,000 members of the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces.

"We believe that given that we're pulling out of Afghanistan, we need to provide some additional security support for the forces there," Anne McAndrew, the Pentagon's acting Under Secretary of Defense and Chief Financial Officer, told reporters.

Military planners are also requesting $8.9 billion to cover so-called "direct war costs" in Afghanistan, about a $4 billion reduction from the previous year.

McAndrew said some of that money will help cover residual expenses from the current withdrawal from Afghanistan as well as help pay for "an over-the-horizon capability outside Afghanistan."

snip

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
10. That's an insult and a blatant violation of privacy.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:14 PM
Jul 2022


No one should have to prove their fertility status to a drug store clerk. That is strictly doctor/patient.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
12. Women need to start buying and carrying AK-47s and AR-15s in these states.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jul 2022

I'm not suggesting anything else.

Just buy 'em.

And carry 'em.

That's all.

disgustedly,
Bright

( for those who can't figure that out)

wnylib

(21,486 posts)
13. Rheumatoid arthritis meds can induce abortions?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jul 2022

Never knew that.

Now I wonder if women with rheumatoid arthritis who have children endured arthritic pain throughout their pregnancies in order to carry to term.







PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
22. While this is only anecdotal,
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jul 2022

one woman I knew who had arthritis, had no arthritis pain while she was pregnant.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
45. Some women do, and some women don't
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:14 PM
Jul 2022

My two pregnancies - my A.S. symptoms went away. A.S. and R.A. are similar - just different attack points.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. New York can't ask the reason for a concealed carry permit
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:24 PM
Jul 2022

But Alabama can hold up your prescription until you provide a satisfactory reason for it.

LoisB

(7,206 posts)
16. Next up: Taking a pregnancy test before being allowed to purchase wire clothes hangers.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jul 2022

Being sarcastic, I don't know if anyone still sells or uses wire hangers but the whole thing is just so absurd.

leftieNanner

(15,121 posts)
17. Let's go one step further
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jul 2022

Taking a pregnancy test before being allowed to pick up your shirts at the dry cleaner.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
18. Seems like a HIPAA violation to me.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jul 2022

I'm just waiting for HIPAA to be invoked in abortion-related cases.

As I understand it, the care provider is legally obligated to keep the patient's diagnosis & treatment confidential.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
50. Tell Walgreens that
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:29 PM
Jul 2022

as I recall, they have been nailed TWICE for selling pharmacy customers info and Rx info..............

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
21. So why did we have to send young men & women to Iraq & Afghanistan to fight the Taliban over there?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jul 2022
Because we have evangelical-Taliban and more right here at home to implement religious base laws.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
38. Hyde Amendment means no federal money can ever be used for abortion or even mention it...
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:48 PM
Jul 2022

It’s in the ACA — it already existed, but was placed in the ACA as a compromise effort to get Obamacare passed.

As for overseas, this is AKA the global gag order. This means that even in war zones where women are routinely raped, American aid clinics are forbidden to even refer women to other places where they could get an abortion.

The global gag order is a political football that gets passed back and forth via Executive Orders — Dubya re-instated it on his first day in office.

Long way around to respond to your statement about what are we fighting for.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. It's likely the methotrexate I'm on for RA, considered an "essential drug"
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jul 2022

that's also used for other conditions including as chemotherapy for cancer and to treat ectopic and other extra-uterine pregnancies. But I just learned it can be a very effective abortifacient properly administered in combination with misoprostol, and this kind of problem is concerning a bunch of people.

We're a smallish family, but we still have grown female relatives of childbearing age and another couple in early puberty and adolescence. Just realized I need to be aware of potential issues with it in case a subpoena for medication records is served someday.

GA, where most of us are, will probably soon have a law that severely restricts abortion after cardiac activity, around 16 weeks, and recognizes the fetus as a legal person with the rights of a person.

Layzeebeaver

(1,624 posts)
25. not using birth control is not equal to maybe being pregnant
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jul 2022

And what the hell medication is she getting that can be used to induce an abortion?

Can a man get it? (The medicine not the pregnancy) I've got the same condition (Arthritis nor pregnancy).

And if so, will the pharmacist ask him if his wife is pregnant? Because if she is, and she gets ahold of it, then whoo boy! there's obviously an abortion just around the corner!!!

WTAF? Is there an equal protection element in play here? I'm only a wiki-lawyer by hobby. We need a non-wiki-lawyer to weigh in.

Response to ashredux (Reply #26)

Truth_Serum

(14 posts)
28. MASSIVE pet peeve of mine!!!
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)

OMG - I know my BP is going up just thinking about this, and reading the Yahoo article. Absolutely infuriating!!!

I wonder if the pharmacist would like me to withhold their "fresh from the O.R." post-op medication - after all, I wouldn't want them to get addicted or anything, especially since it's "my call" whether or not to give them their pain med (well technically it is my call, but I don't withhold pain medications unless there's a damn good reason, like it's too soon, their respiration rate, or other medical indications. AND at that point - I'm calling the doctor about the patient.)

ETA: I'd bet a billion $ the pharmacist has NO issue dispensing Viagra, Cialis, etc.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
29. Isn't this a medical privacy violation?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jul 2022

The doctors have to tell the pharmacist the condition being treated before the pharmacy can dispense the medicine? How does a patient keep their medical privacy in that case? If this condition is printed on the drug bottle label, then how does one keep it private?

People who take this medicine are usually on it long term. But when used as part of a cocktail to terminate pregnancy, it is prescribed only once for a brief duration. So, why should someone who's been on this medicine for a long time - using an auto-refill program - be required to tell the pharmacist why they need the medicine?

I think we're going to see a lot more unintended consequences of anti-abortion law. It'll turn out to be one of the right's worst hypocrisies regarding keeping government out of our private lives.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
32. The groundwork was laid for this during Dubya's admin, when "conscience clauses" were added...
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:54 PM - Edit history (1)

… to whatever bills they could.

If it offends the medical provider’s effing conscience, he or she or they can refuse to fill your prescription or provide a service. That includes pharmacists, doctors, nurses, hospitals and clinics. That means anything and everything to do with reproductive care.

Every so often I need to be reminded of just how much I hated Bush/Cheney, and why.


Edited to add a phrase for clarity regarding what conscience clauses are for. Just for your lady parts. Wouldn’t want you doing anything naughty without consequences, would we? Under His Eye.

Truth_Serum

(14 posts)
36. Exactly!
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:43 PM
Jul 2022

"Conscience clauses" never, ever should have been enacted. I've heard about medical professionals doing this for decades. And agreed about Bush/Cheney!

An RN I went to nursing school with, and subsequently worked with at a hospital, refused to give her fresh post-op patient their pain medication during her night shift. She was of the Pentecostal religion. She decided to "pray" for and with the patient. So the patient suffered all night (up to 8 hrs.) I heard about this the next day after it happened, during my day shift. She was rightfully fired that day. This was before conscience clauses were enacted. Now she wouldn't be fired - another nurse would be asked to administer the pain med. Unreal. If you can't do ALL ASPECTS of the job, get out of the profession!

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
33. Hope she can go to a different pharmacy
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jul 2022

Do her meds by mail. Talk about fascist men sticking their dicks in where they don't belong.

iemanja

(53,035 posts)
37. This is only the beginning
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 02:45 PM
Jul 2022

Women who have no intent of getting an abortion will be killed through defensive health care, exactly like the GOP wants it. They are a party of murderers.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
46. Well at least they didn't call Melissa's Dad, so there's that
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jul 2022

On the other hand, if Melissa's doctor happened to be a woman, they probably wouldn't have believed her.
This is both bizarre and outrageous!

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