Ohio House Republicans are advancing a bill to teach BOTH SIDES OF THE HOLOCAUST

[steve2470]

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This is a friendly reminder that Ohio House Republicans are advancing a bill to teach BOTH SIDES OF THE HOLOCAUST.
12:34 PM · Jul 8, 2022 from Hudson, OH·Twitter for iPhone

I think he is referring to this ? If you are in OH and can correct me, please do.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-HB-327

https://ohiohouse.gov/members/casey-weinstein/news/ohio-republican-lawmaker-wants-to-require-teaching-german-soldiers-holocaust-perspective-in-classroom-censorship-bill-109365

this article is dated March 25th but the bill is still alive.

COLUMBUS— Today, State Reps. Brigid Kelly (D-Cincinnati) and Casey Weinstein (D-Hudson), demanded House Bill (HB) 327, the ‘Both Sides’ bill, be barred from any further consideration by the Ohio House after the Republican bill sponsor said in a recent interview that educators should teach “German soldiers’” perspective of the Holocaust. The bill sponsor then proceeded to make several inaccurate and anti-Semitic claims about the Holocaust during the interview.

“Claiming there are two neutral and legitimate sides to the Holocaust is nothing short of denial,” said Rep. Weinstein, a Jewish member of the Ohio House. “Trying to wipe out and ignore our history while imposing big government on school districts to limit First Amendment rights in an unconstitutionally broad and vague way is chilling and reminiscent of the ‘thought police.’”

The ‘Both Sides’ bill would make “failing to fairly present both sides of a political or ideological belief or position” conduct unbecoming of an Ohio educator, which prompted widespread alarm from teachers and concerned parents. Educators and potentially-impacted organizations across the state have asked how teachers would be expected to confront difficult subjects. How do you teach both sides of the Holocaust? Of 9/11? Of slavery? Of Ukraine?

“These comments are absolutely reprehensible, and reveal HB 327’s true intent: to force our educators to teach ‘both sides’ of topics like the Holocaust, slavery or 9/11 that unequivocally have only a right side and a wrong side. This is exactly why we must trust well informed educators, not partisan politicians, to determine what is taught in our classrooms so our children are best prepared for the future,” said Rep. Kelly.

ETA: Lurkers, if you need ANY reason in November to vote Democratic up and down the ballot, THIS ... is a reason, one of many. The Democratic Party would NEVER EVER allow such a piece of excrement to be introduced into any state legislature or Congress.

[rockfordfile]

1. Nazi party are un-American pos . GOP should be wiped out

[JohnSJ]

2. Insanity

[RANDYWILDMAN]

3. Both Sides WTF ?

OHio is so fucked.

[onecaliberal]

4. WHAT?!

[relayerbob]

5. There are indeed two sides

There is the evil side, where human beings were murdered for their religious beliefs and the horrifically evil side, wherein hypocrites just like these assholes voting for this bill, justify the murders in the name of their preferred religion. I suppose the word, "horrific" fits both sides, so there's that both-siderism, also.

Absolutely disgusting.

[madinmaryland]

6. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOLOCAUST??

[TheRealNorth]

8. That's an easy answer.

It was to defeat the evil Communist-socialist-jewish-liberal-black conspiracy to taint young Americans' bodily fluids in a liberal-hippy effort to make everyone equal.



Although, that probably isn't far off. They will probably lean into the anticommunism of the Third Reich.

[IjustDontlikeRepugs]

7. WTF is the other side???

[maxrandb]

18. They had to protect white children from Jewish Space Lasers?

Fuck if I know.

To think, I once called Ohio home for my 30 years in the Navy.

What the fuckety-fuck is going on up there?

Maybe "The" Ohio State University should stop broadcasting their sports on radio stations that provide nothing but Nazi propaganda for the other 165 hours of the week.

[IronLionZion]

31. Disgusting propaganda they used to justify it at the time

global cabals, shadowy conspiracies, evil satanic rituals, etc.

[sop]

9. What's next? Both sides of slavery, both sides of the KKK and both sides of the 9/11 attack?

[TheRealNorth]

10. The only both-sides of 9/11 is that they would somehow blame Bill and Hillary Clinton for it happeni

[JustAnotherGen]

11. Pull Federal Education Funding for Ohio

The state can up their sales tax revenues or property taxes to cover the difference.


My taxes went up in 2017 by 9K a year - not due to some radically huge raise in income.

I don't want to pay for this anymore than I want to pay for Florida State U when DeSantis is giving ideology tests.

[maxrandb]

21. Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

It's time for some hardball.

I'd pull every military base and federal employee out of Ohio too.

[yellowcanine]

12. I hear Attilla the Hun handed out food to starving children after he made them orphans.

[TheRealNorth]

16. People are saying that....

So I suppose on Faux News that alone means it can be counted as truth.

[sarisataka]

13. So they have to teach the side that millions were murdered

And the side that those who perpetrated the crime were not excused because they were following orders?

On the 4th of July I caught my favorite Twilight Zone episode, Death's Head Revisited. I believe of all of Rod Serling's closing comments this has the most powerful message.

There is an answer to the doctor's question. All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes – all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and to remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth.

[Pinback]

34. Thank you.

Rod Serling, a great American.

[keithbvadu2]

35. a Nazi official on trial for the Holocaust

There was an old black and white TV show (Twilight Zone?) about a Nazi official on trial for the Holocaust. He admitted everything including the reason for the Holocaust. Another Nazi official got up on the witness stand and denounced him severely as a traitor to the cause. Not because he committed the crimes, but because he admitted the reason / cause of the Holocaust programs. He put it out for the world to see as an organized program

[people]

14. Nazi both sides bill has support from a large no. of state republican reps

And the bill has 2 sponsors and 35 co-sponsors! WOW JUST WOW.

The article cited above says that after a sponsor of the bill commented that the bill would require, for example, teaching the German soldiers' perspective on the Holocaust, "The Anti-Defamation League of Ohio condemned the Republican sponsor’s Holocaust comments, prompting the member to issue a statement painting the ADL and other justifiably concerned organizations as 'left-wing special interests.''"

Here area the names of the sponsors and co-sponsors ( https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-HB-327) :

Primary Sponsors
Diane V. Grendell
District 76
Sarah Fowler Arthur
District 99

Cosponsors
REPRESENTATIVES
Cindy Abrams
Thomas E. Brinkman Jr.
Jamie Callender
Sara P. Carruthers
Gary Click
Rodney Creech
Jon Cross
Al Cutrona
Bill Dean
Jay Edwards
Ron Ferguson
Timothy E. Ginter
Jennifer Gross
Adam Holmes
Marilyn S. John
Mark Johnson
Kris Jordan
Darrell Kick
Mike Loychik
Riordan T. McClain
Derek Merrin
Phil Plummer
Jena Powell
Tracy M. Richardson
Craig S. Riedel
Jean Schmidt
Dick Stein
Jason Stephens
Reggie Stoltzfus
A. Nino Vitale
Scott Wiggam
Bob Young
Tom Young
Paul Zeltwanger

[McKim]

30. This list is.....

This long list is one of the scariest things I have ever read! What is wrong with these people?

[AntiFascist]

38. Agreed, soon they may want to start teaching Fascism as an alternative ideology n/t

[sanatanadharma]

15. The Republican argument claims equality of both sides ...

... one side with and one side without ethics, morality, of human goodness.

They're claiming that all points of views, beliefs, and actions are equally worthy be they kindergarten drop-outs* or brilliantly-educated devotees of truth**.

* Failed basic share and care classes
** Willing to be wrong but self-correcting, seeking veracity.
(Veracity being the opposite of 'illusion'.)

[dalton99a]

17. Yeah, we must seek to understand the very fine soldiers in the Einsatzgruppen

Polish women led to mass execution in a forest near Palmiry village. After the war the woman in the foreground was identified as Janina Skalska. / New York Public Library

[doc03]

19. That's what Trump said there are good people on both

sides.

[Celerity]

20. Little Johnny and Sally Mae now will have to read Der Giftpilz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Giftpilz

Der Giftpilz is a piece of antisemitic Nazi propaganda published as a children's book by Julius Streicher in 1938. The title is German for "the poisonous mushroom/toadstool". After the war, Streicher was convicted of being an accessory for crimes against humanity in the Nuremberg trials and executed in 1946.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. How else will they teach about the ZOG and Jew Power?

This is nothing more than "intellectualizing" anti-Semitism in a way that allows some to feel they aren't really anti-Semites.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Long ago, you could honestly chide someone for equating Republicans with Nazis.

The distinction between Nazi and Republican grows smaller every day.

[PSPS]

24. zuckerberg was ok with holocaust "debate" on facebook too

[struggle4progress]

25. Bonzo goes to Bitburg

[Lunabell]

26. This goes to tfg's claims of good people on both sides.

There are no good nazis. Period.

[IronLionZion]

28. Well we have Nazis and shadowy global conspiracy theories again

So I guess GOP wants to appeal to their Nazi voters. A lot of Qanon stuff is a modern update of anti-Jewish propaganda the original Nazis used back in the day.

[electric_blue68]

32. GAH! neo-Nazis, Anti-semites on the move...

Crawl back under your rocks and STAY there!

[roamer65]

33. Fuck Nazi Repukes.

[keithbvadu2]

36. Both sides? The Romans who crucified Christ?

Both sides? The Romans who crucified Christ?

[liberalla]

37. WTF? This is insane. This movement is really gaining steam and coming into the light.

I don't understand how people really believe it. I'm just shocked!

[sakabatou]

39. WHAT THE FUCK?!

[BSdetect]

40. There were two sides: MONSTERS and VICTIMS

[dflprincess]

41. Germany doesn't teach both sides

or the "German soldiers perspective".

They teach their children the truth and that it is up to every German to make sure it never happens again.

[ret5hd]

42. Malicious Compliance will end this claptrap.

Capitalism vs Socialism
Did “Jesus” truly exist?
Is the USA really the greatest nation?
What does “woke” REALLY mean?

Both sides…gotta teach both sides, y’all have left me no choice.

[Kire]

43. Can someone explain?

Looks like Rep. Weinstein posted an outrageous claim that went viral and then followed it up with a request for money. How does he deduce that both sides of the holocaust will be promoted in Ohio?

[Sympthsical]

44. Joni Mitchell's career has taken a weird turn

What is the "other side" of the Holocaust? The article notes the perspective of the German soldiers. I mean, you could teach that perspective, but wouldn't it mostly be they were either ordered to commit it or twisted by a genocidal racial ideology? I could watch a serial killer documentary on YouTube, and the killer's "side" is, "I'm fucked up, so I killed people." Which you sort of just assume going in.

Is there another side I'm missing that doesn't involve denial it happened?

I think movies and documentaries about how the German people took the turn they did are pretty interesting and a vital historical perspective to have in a "things not to do" context. That's the only other side I can see.

Now I have a weird urge to go re-watch Europa, Europa.