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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:47 PM Jul 2022

How Many of the Protesters at the WH Today, Voted for Biden and Other Dems in 2020?

My guess, at least 80%.

Sorry, but it makes no good political sense to tell them to stop whining.

I heard a very condescending lecture on TV today saying just that. And about the protesters not voting enough. When those very people likely already voted for at least one Dem, in at least one of the last federal elections.

Here is what does work; strong, kind and inspirational leadership. Joe Biden is excellent at that. Is it wrong of me to ask him to do more of it, on any issue?

All of our leaders signed up for the job. They can take the bad polls and poor press. And even a protest or two. Certainly President Biden can. They all must have thick skin. They would never have gotten as far as they have if they could not handle it.

Certainly us reliable Dem voters should never feel like we need to hold back our opinions from our leaders.

Without accurate and constructive criticism we are all at the risk of losing the sharp edge we will all need to win in the end.

Listen to the protesters. They may have some good ideas. And we certainly need their energy and passion.

Don't forget that in the end, it is all of us who must be victorious in November.

Our base. our leaders, our protesters and we all need to lead by fighting hard for the promise of a better future for all Americans.

Now, I'm going to get back work here in my little dead-red town to try hard and pick off maybe just one more voter today.

Never give up!

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How Many of the Protesters at the WH Today, Voted for Biden and Other Dems in 2020? (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 OP
K & R Xavier Breath Jul 2022 #1
Thanks! JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #2
The issue is they are asking someone who literally can't do Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #3
How many do you think voted for Hillary? JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #4
No idea. I just know I've seen a lot of trolling on FB recently. Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #6
I know we are... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #9
I do but the largest block of voters are those who don't vote. Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #12
It's one voter... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #14
I still have friends who watch Morning Joe. LenaBaby61 Jul 2022 #16
I still have friends who watch Morning Joe. LenaBaby61 Jul 2022 #17
+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #18
I don't like the idea that we're supposed to remain silent iemanja Jul 2022 #5
Criticize the ones responsible. nt Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #7
I vote for elected officials iemanja Jul 2022 #8
I didn't say shut up. I didn't say don't criticize or protest. Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #10
I don't scream iemanja Jul 2022 #11
Awesome!!!👍👍👍 Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #13
They out voted us in 2016 JustAnotherGen Jul 2022 #15
Unfortunately, our opponents know the value of "voting harder". lapucelle Jul 2022 #21
Because they might not vote if we aren't nice to them ? JI7 Jul 2022 #19
These folks are not the Democratic Party base, they are not "our leaders", lapucelle Jul 2022 #20
What if it's only 20%? And what percentage voted for Hillary in 2016? Kaleva Jul 2022 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #23
It is very simple ripcord Jul 2022 #24

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
3. The issue is they are asking someone who literally can't do
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jul 2022

anything to fix the problem to fix the problem. And the question isn’t how many voted in 2020. It’s how many voted for Hillary. The woman who warned what would happen if Trump was able to put judges on the USSC.

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
6. No idea. I just know I've seen a lot of trolling on FB recently.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:47 PM
Jul 2022

There hadn’t been much for what seemed like quite awhile. I think the J6 hearings are making some people very nervous and the desire to shift the blame to Biden for anything is very strong. Anything to move the spot light off what the repukes did and supported. I just want us to be smart enough not to follow that bouncing ball.

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
12. I do but the largest block of voters are those who don't vote.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:04 PM
Jul 2022

They are the ones we need and I worry they aren’t up to speed. My next door neighbor. Die hard Dem got sucked in by a tiktoc dude spouting Russian troll talking points. Yes, I explained it to her but… it worries me.
PS I’m in Florida.

LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
16. I still have friends who watch Morning Joe.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:46 AM
Jul 2022

And they come back and tell me that they're still dogging Biden. I tell them to keep that shit to themselves, and to fuck BOTH those used to be (and still kind of are according to my friends) FatMogul45 ass-kissers.

I have to admit, that NO ONE I know tells me that they watch Andrea Mitchell anymore, so there is hope

LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
17. I still have friends who watch Morning Joe.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:51 AM
Jul 2022

And they come back and tell me that they're still dogging Biden. I tell them to keep that shit to themselves, and to fuck BOTH those used to be (and still kind of are according to my friends) FatMogul45 ass-kissers.

I have to admit, that NO ONE I know tells me that they watch Andrea Mitchell anymore, so there is hope

iemanja

(53,038 posts)
5. I don't like the idea that we're supposed to remain silent
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:42 PM
Jul 2022

rather than criticize our elected officials. It smacks of autocracy.

iemanja

(53,038 posts)
8. I vote for elected officials
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:54 PM
Jul 2022

And they work for me. I don't work for them, and I will not behave as though I am subservient to them. I live in a democracy. I have every right to criticize Democrats as well as Republicans. I have no sway over Republicans because they don't give a shit what I think because they know I don't vote for them. I don't live in their states or their districts. I live in a blue state, so I'll let my elected officials--the ones I actually vote for--know of my views when I'm upset about something, and the people who insist Democrats never do anything wrong don't have a right to restrict my thoughts or my speech. I believe in democracy, and until the Republicans end it I plan to exercise my rights.

Telling people to shut up is the best way to lose their votes.

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
10. I didn't say shut up. I didn't say don't criticize or protest.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jul 2022

I should have said screaming at the people who are on your side is generally not the best way to effect change.

PS I’m jealous. I’m in Florida.

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
15. They out voted us in 2016
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:38 AM
Jul 2022

That was the election that overturned Roe.

Our opponents played a 50 year long game and they showed up and voted for Trump in 2016.

Example - our side assumed a win in key states and voted 3rd party.

The Republican voters in 2016 bear responsibility for this.

lapucelle

(18,297 posts)
21. Unfortunately, our opponents know the value of "voting harder".
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jul 2022

Meanwhile, some folks (who are ostensibly on our side) are mocking the idea of the power of the vote in achieving both short and long term goals.

Why is anyone who claims to be on our side pushing narratives that will result in depressing Democratic Party vote?

Cui bono?

Not Democrats.



JI7

(89,259 posts)
19. Because they might not vote if we aren't nice to them ?
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 01:08 AM
Jul 2022

Then they are just people that do these things as a hobby and aren't really concerned about the issues.

We see this with the marches and other protests where certain types come out just because they want to be out in the crowds but they have no interest in the issue .

lapucelle

(18,297 posts)
20. These folks are not the Democratic Party base, they are not "our leaders",
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 10:43 AM
Jul 2022

and they are not "our protestors". They are targeting Democrats, rather than Republicans, the Court, Republican state legislatures, and far right conservatives.

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And how weird is it that rather than update their anti-Biden theme, they showed up at the White House still demanding that President Biden take action NOW, even though he had literally taken action YESTERDAY.






Kaleva

(36,320 posts)
22. What if it's only 20%? And what percentage voted for Hillary in 2016?
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jul 2022

Your argument is based entirely on an assumption.

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