Committee Source: Pat Cipollone's testimony provided direct evidence of Donald Trump's

[mobeau69]

“extreme dereliction of duty”.

CNN “Inside Politics”

[Novara]

1. Well, dereliction of duty isn't a crime, is it?

We need more.

[mobeau69]

2. It's a violation of his oath of office!

[Novara]

3. Duh, but it isn't prosecutable

He isn't president anymore. If he was, he could be impeached again, not that he'd be convicted.

I dunno what can be done if that's all there is. I suspect there's more, though.

[msfiddlestix]

7. True, but not enough to lock his ass up for even a minute.

unfortunately in this case..

[msfiddlestix]

5. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[Farmer-Rick]

19. Well, yes it is

Maximum Punishment: For deliberate dereliction of duty, the accused shall receive bad conduct discharge, forfeiture of all allowances and pay and 6 months confinement as maximum punishment. This applies to the military but there is a similar charge called Culpable negligence.

"Culpable Negligence in performance of official duties is a failure to exercise the degree of care required under the particular circumstances, which a person of ordinary prudence in the same situation and with equal experience would not omit. In reviewing the penalty, it may be determined that a more severe penalty is appropriate if an act of carelessness or negligence results, or could result, in serious injury."

https://feltg.com/negligence-and-federal-employees/

[Novara]

26. It's not feasibly prosecutable as an ex-president

I mean, he was guilty of it on day fucking one. No one is going to prosecute him for that.

[Farmer-Rick]

36. Yeah, the filthy rich will protect their little monster

They won't let anyone prosecute him.......yet. But they can't cover his butt forever and there is no statute of limitations on insurection or levying war against the United States.

[Novara]

37. If they do prosecute him,

... there are far more serious crimes than dereliction of duty, like sedition, fomenting an insurrection, interfering with congressional duties, fraud on the U.S. I haven't had my coffee yet and I can't remember the official terminology but those are more serious than dereliction of duty, although I'd love it if they threw in everything and the kitchen sink and charged him with as many crimes as applicable. I mean, why not throw dereliction of duty in the mix as well? But they won't charge him only for that and nothing else.

[Farmer-Rick]

40. True, if that were the only thing he did

Yeah, insurection through levying war against the United States is probably the only crime he committed that will survive most statute of limitations.

The filthy rich will probably protect him for the next 10 years or so. He maybe into full blown Alzheimers by then.

[Novara]

41. ...or stroke out, if we're lucky.

[kentuck]

4. There would need to be a direct connection between Trump and the extremists...

A witness or a phone call, for example.

[Novara]

6. This is exactly what is needed

A direct connection.

It's quite possible to convict on circumstantial evidence if it's overwhelming, and I think it is. But a direct connection is an absolute slam-dunk.

[Pobeka]

18. You mean like:

The crowd in the Ellipse isn't large enough.
(Paraphrasing now)

TFG: Why?
Secret service: The people outside are armed and won't make it through the metal detectors.
TFG: Turn off the metal detectors, they aren't here to hurt me.
TFG: Now we're going to march down to the capital, I'll be there with you, be strong.


"Turn off the metal detectors" is a statement that means TFG was told, *and accepted" the fact that the crowd was armed. ", they aren't here to hurt me" is further statement that means TFG understands the crowd possibly intends to hurt someone.

He then launches that crowd upon the capital.

So -- he knows the extremists are in the crowd. He knows they are armed. He directs them towards the capital to prevent an official government function from completing.

[Justice matters.]

23. AND he tells them they need to ...

"FIGHT LIKE HELL or U WONT HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE"

So they obeyed his order and went on to deface the Capitol and fought like hell to kill cops, closing on lawmakers, and "hang mike pence"...

[Orrex]

8. Guarantee Fux Noise et al will dismiss his testimony as "hearsay"

Of course that's bullshit, but it will be enough to convince the kkkultists that their sacred orange asshole is being persecuted by a woke commie mob of RINOs, socialists and pedophiles.

[Lovie777]

9. It's probably more to his testimony . ....

[mobeau69]

10. That's a good bet. What was it, 9 hours?

I'm feeling good today.

Lock him up!

[Justice matters.]

25. fux entertainment is trying hard to influence potential jurors...

I bet they will FAIL at that too.

Besides, DOMINION is about to bankrupt them.

[Ligyron]

11. Many pundits are saying how great his testimony will be.

That he’ll confirm everything Cassidy said and more.

But what if he doesn’t?

What if he says she’s nothing more than a lying coffee girl slut and none of that even happened?

We know what Bannon would testi-lie if they were ever dumb enough to let him out of his cage.

MAGA world, which Mr Cippolone is a part of, is desperate to impugn her testimony by whatever means necessary.

[obamanut2012]

20. It is quite obvious he did not do that

Good grief.

[Ligyron]

35. Well now it is...

[gab13by13]

12. If Cipollone claimed executive ptivilege

and didn't speak about conversations with trump then we don't have proof of criminal intent. Trump's criminal intent is what Cipollone can provide and it will take DOJ to get there.

[Rebl2]

17. Cipollone

wasn’t his private lawyer, so I don’t understand how he could claim executive privilege.

[Gore1FL]

28. Executive privilege vs Lawyer/Client privilege

Being on the White House staff gives some, but not full protection under that umbrella.

[Novara]

29. There is controversy regarding his claim of executive privilege

Keep in mind that executive privilege is different than attorney/client confidentiality, which is between an attorney and his client. Cippolone was the people's lawyer, essentially, not the orange motherfucker's lawyer. And I don't believe he claimed attorney/client privilege anyway. Besides, that would not apply in commission of a crime.

Executive privilege rests with the current executive, i.e. Joe Biden, and he waived it. So it would appear the executive privilege doesn't apply.

It's possible the J6 committee got what they needed out of him regardless. We can hope.

[Rebl2]

32. Let's hope

[FakeNoose]

14. It may not be enough to convict Chump, but it might convince a few MAGAt voters

... not to vote for him again. I believe that's an important secondary goal.

Can Cipollone prove that he committed no crimes while he was in the White House? I mean the guy was right there with Mark Meadows, Peter Navarro, taking meetings with Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Ellis. etc. If Cipollone didn't go along with all of this, why didn't Chump fire him? Chump fired a lot of people and replaced them on short notice.

Cipollone stayed until the actual coup attempt of Jan. 6th and then he QUIT! I really think he must have been complicit, at least in some ways. He can say whatever he wants now, but he wasn't fired so he must have complied.

[Pepsidog]

15. I think we have set the bar far to high to prove Trump's criminal intent. Everyday people are

convicted in courts with much less evidence than we have on Trump. His words and actions before and on 1/6 clearly prove his intent to obstruct the transition of power. Trump’s culpability is clear. The man was president and should be held to an even higher standard. If what we know now is evidence enough to secure an indictment and conviction then Trump is indeed above the law.

[onecaliberal]

21. Anyone who made a call like dump did to GA would be sitting in prison right now.

[Pepsidog]

24. That's the truth.

[Justice matters.]

27. Convictions are a coming, BUT...

with THAT corrupt SC...

[stopdiggin]

31. what you say it true

But it's also true that it is not the same bar (either in consideration or application). The courts have historically carved out fairly generous areas of leeway within the political realm - and have been mostly open about granting a degree of 'rough and tumble' That coupled with the traditional deference granted toward 'co-equal branches' - and in this case the chief executive officer (and office) of the country ... And it's not quite the same thing as slapping the cuffs on some sleaze-ball con artist in Terrebonne parish, LA.

(The exception I can think of here is Rod Blagojevich (former gov IL) who got taken down for words and action - that probably would have been considered old school horse trading, not too long before.)

For reasons above - I think it's probably more likely that we see a considerable number of Trump minions facing actual convictions (and will perhaps have to be content that that tells the story) - while I remain, hopeful, but not entirely convinced, that DJT will ever see charges or a docket.

[OverBurn]

16. MAGA voters are dumb as a bag of hammers won't change their tiny minds

[obamanut2012]

22. None of this is directed at them

[leftyladyfrommo]

30. He never worked. He came in late and watched TV.

And planned his revenge. That seems to be his life.

[gulliver]

33. Trump obstructed the rightful action of the office of the Presidency

Derelict in his duties? His duty was clear. He obstructed the rightful action he should have been taking.

[Vinca]

34. We kind of knew that after the first quarter of a million Americans died from Covid.

[Emile]

38. Judgment Day is coming for Trumpy boy!

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
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Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

[ecstatic]

39. I'm glad he's cooperating now, but I just read some stuff about him on wiki

During the Senate's (first) impeachment trial, Cipollone misled Congress on a number of issues, including falsely claiming Republican congressional members were not allowed into the secure facility where classified information about the impeachment inquiry was being stored.

On January 31, 2020, it was reported that Cipollone was present at a May 2019 White House meeting where President Trump directed his national security adviser John Bolton to "extract damaging information on Democrats from Ukrainian officials."

Cipollone is... a founding member of the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast... Conservative commentator Laura Ingraham credited Cipollone with helping her convert to Catholicism in 2002. He has ten children. One of Cipollone’s daughters worked as a booker for The Ingraham Angle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Cipollone

He needs to be held accountable for misleading Congress during the first impeachment hearings. Not to mention, he was present during other crimes that were committed by the disgraced FG. I guess the last paragraph isn't really relevant other than the handmaid's tale vibes I got regarding his 10 kids and his relationship with Ingraham. If allowed to walk off into the sunset as if nothing happened, he will definitely play a key role in the forced-birth theocracy plan that will be led by the right wing "supreme court," pence and others.