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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 08:38 AM Jul 2022

To any lurking MAGA volk---you need to wrap your head around this simple reality:

SPEECH DOES NOT ALTER OR CREATE FACTS.

Read that again. THINK about it.

Stated more simply, saying something does not make what you said true---no matter how loudly or repeatedly you say it.

Trump is NOT intelligent.

He is NOT a good businessman.

He is NOT strong.

He IS a habitual liar.

He IS a sexual predator.

He IS a coward.

He did NOT "make America great again".

He did NOT win the 2020 election.

He DID call for and incite the attempted coup on January 6th, 2021..

For those of you still reading---and not curled up on the floor in a fetal position with your thumbs in your mouths---I know the above may have caused you extreme discomfort and spiked your blood pressure. I make no apology for that. It is simply the price of your willful ignorance.

Your "handbasket" has arrived. Climb in with the rest of the Red Capped Bobbleheads and strap in for the ride.

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To any lurking MAGA volk---you need to wrap your head around this simple reality: (Original Post) Atticus Jul 2022 OP
maybe they have their own 'parler watch' here... samnsara Jul 2022 #1
I'll post this again for the lurking magaloons Beachnutt Jul 2022 #2
But, but, but, he's King David's "return" Justice matters. Jul 2022 #19
+1 MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #36
Great analysis! Thanks for the post. machoneman Jul 2022 #3
Actually, Trump is very intelligent, however... AllTooEasy Jul 2022 #38
I would say that what he has is *cunning,* more than intelligence.... lastlib Jul 2022 #41
Exactly. And loved the very correct "volk". niyad Jul 2022 #4
Nicely done. MuseRider Jul 2022 #5
I think this statement misses the mark a little. plimsoll Jul 2022 #6
That's the explanation right FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #7
They can only avoid the truth about Chump for so long FakeNoose Jul 2022 #8
He represents his worst supporters very well IronLionZion Jul 2022 #9
Trump brought out the worst in America. Initech Jul 2022 #15
Yep. He gave them his big yellow-haired "okay" sign. calimary Jul 2022 #22
This exactly! n/t Different Drummer Jul 2022 #31
The world had an arrangement with Iran that was working Unwind Your Mind Jul 2022 #10
He is one of the best multigraincracker Jul 2022 #11
I was told that just over 10 yrs ago by a man who knew him. HE died in '13 oldsoftie Jul 2022 #14
Might be the only one to multigraincracker Jul 2022 #27
The problem isn't the con men. It's the people who get conned. LisaM Jul 2022 #39
According to Trump, he did make America great. keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #12
Some will stick to the same line of crap to their dying day. lpbk2713 Jul 2022 #13
K&R. "it?" rzemanfl Jul 2022 #16
Yo! You with the red hat! usonian Jul 2022 #17
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #18
Rudeness is a weak man's imitation of strength SledDriver Jul 2022 #20
I always thought their slogan should be: patphil Jul 2022 #21
... Different Drummer Jul 2022 #32
excellent llashram Jul 2022 #23
I think they are at the point where what they want is blood. Reasonable arguments fall on deaf ears. jalan48 Jul 2022 #24
SPEECH DOES NOT ALTER OR CREATE FACTS Baggies Jul 2022 #25
Well said, as usual. (nt) Paladin Jul 2022 #26
well said dawn5651 Jul 2022 #28
The MAGA bough is breaking. Marcuse Jul 2022 #29
They don't care... because they don't understand how facts work. Frostlight Jul 2022 #30
Great post. Anyone who can use the 8-syllable "epistemologically" appropriately should Atticus Jul 2022 #33
... Frostlight Jul 2022 #40
You omitted the most important truth. Trump is a traitor. hay rick Jul 2022 #34
HELL YES orangecrush Jul 2022 #35
This should be repeated over and over MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #37
I doubt this will GenThePerservering Jul 2022 #42

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
38. Actually, Trump is very intelligent, however...
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:08 PM
Jul 2022

...do not confuse "intelligence" with "morality". The two terms are independent of each other. Trump is a disgrace. Like Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Dr. Harold Shipman, etc. Trump has lots of brains, and absolutely no soul. No decency. No humanity. No morality. He manipulated the bigotry of Repukes to defeat established Repukes for the 2016 Repuke nomination. He then manipulated the stupidity of enough Americans in the right states to win the electoral college. On top of that, he's swindled untold numbers of business partners and clients, and at the age of 76, he's still hasn't spent one day in jail while enjoying a cult following. Stupid people don't accomplish that, and Good people don't want to do that.

Underestimating the intelligence of your enemy is a path to a humiliating defeat, because your faulty paradigms blind to what's coming. Google John Oliver (who I'm a big fan of) begging Trump on Last Week Tonight to run for POTUS in 2016, and then later apologizing for it.

Please stop underestimating this slithering beast. He's already done enough damage.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
6. I think this statement misses the mark a little.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:58 AM
Jul 2022
SPEECH DOES NOT ALTER OR CREATE FACTS.


And that's true, but they're not living in a world bounded by facts. They live in the world of myth, and speech does create myths. The cautionary tales and comforting bedtime stories of childhood reforged for adults who don't want to come to terms with reality.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
7. That's the explanation right
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:13 AM
Jul 2022

the simple fact is, they don't live in a world that is based in reality. Reality matters nothing to them.

IronLionZion

(45,508 posts)
9. He represents his worst supporters very well
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:16 AM
Jul 2022

they are into it because seeing him be deplorable makes it OK for them to be deplorable.

calimary

(81,426 posts)
22. Yep. He gave them his big yellow-haired "okay" sign.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jul 2022

No wonder they damn near worship him. Finally the validation for every “don’t do that!” they’ve heard throughout their lousy lifetimes.

oldsoftie

(12,584 posts)
14. I was told that just over 10 yrs ago by a man who knew him. HE died in '13
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jul 2022

So he never got to see his predictions come true.
He told me that trump wanted SO bad to be a mob boss that he acted like one all the time. And that he WOULD run for president because it was the ultimate con.

multigraincracker

(32,713 posts)
27. Might be the only one to
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jul 2022

run for President and lost his home town and home state twice. They know what he is.

LisaM

(27,822 posts)
39. The problem isn't the con men. It's the people who get conned.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:26 PM
Jul 2022

Why are they so gullible, and how are they allowed to bring things down for the rest of us?

keithbvadu2

(36,874 posts)
12. According to Trump, he did make America great.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:36 AM
Jul 2022

Rs, what did you do to take away America's greatness?

According to Trump, he did make America great. For a short while, he had the slogan Keep America Great for his campaign. He even had the hats with KAG on them. For whatever reason his thinking was, it devolved back to MAGA. What happened?

What did you do to screw up America, Donald?

usonian

(9,851 posts)
17. Yo! You with the red hat!
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jul 2022
Everything you say or believe shouts out your inadequacy.

Every Accusation is a Confession
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216777247

If life begins at conception, why are kids ONE YEAR OLD,
one year after taking their first breath?

When dictators take power, you the "freedom fighters" become their biggest threat, and AWAY WITH YOUR GUNS.

Your MAGA hat has microchips and GPS trackers.

Your Führer will throw every goddam one of you under the bus for a packet of mustard if necessary.
JUST ASK ALL THOSE FAITHFUL IN PRISON BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED HIM.

patphil

(6,198 posts)
21. I always thought their slogan should be:
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jul 2022

Make America Good and Great Over Trump.

Then they could refer to themselves as MAGGOTs.
A fitting label for those who live on the garbage of lies Trump spews forth.

jalan48

(13,880 posts)
24. I think they are at the point where what they want is blood. Reasonable arguments fall on deaf ears.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022
 

Frostlight

(90 posts)
30. They don't care... because they don't understand how facts work.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:38 PM
Jul 2022

They are epistemologically bereft. They don't actually understand how we can 'know' things. It all boils down to the same thing; they don't understand the nature of reality, so they think that all 'knowledge' is simply 'belief' and all 'belief' is simply 'chosen'.

Here:

"One applicable quote that I’ve been saying for decades is, “We expect of others what we expect of ourselves”. Most conservatives cannot understand science, so they can only presume that no one else really does either. At that point, they see others’ belief in science as the same adherence to authority that they perceive in religion. Looking at some of the above quotes, you may notice that they look at belief in science as adherence to authority. When low-effort thinkers are in school, they see the task in front of them as one of of simply ‘learning’ the answers and regurgitating them when necessary.
They are told that ‘2+2=4’ by an authority; a teacher whose ‘authority’ has been conveyed to them by another authority; their parents. So for them, it’s simply ‘adherence to authority’. They were told to believe that 2+2=4, so they have no reason to understand why 2+2=4. ‘Education’ is learning why we believe what we do. It is being shown how 2+2=4. As low-effort thinkers, conservatives don’t make that extra effort to understand any more than they have to. For them, knowing how the answer is arrived at just isn’t necessary.
To them it makes no difference because as far as they are concerned it’s all about believing what an accepted authority tells them to believe. Therefore, they think that all knowledge is simply dictated by an authority, and everything that anyone else believes is what they were told to believe by authorities on ‘the other side’. That ‘low-effort thought’ thing? That is part of why conservatives seem so much more tribal than non-conservatives; it’s simpler and easier to just ‘line up’ behind a tribal leader and believe all the same things your tribe believes than it is to put in the intellectual rigor of actually learning how things work. Of course this isn’t ALL conservatives, but they are overwhelmingly anti-science as they can only perceive science as another ‘ineffable faith’ that is in competition with their own. This is all because ‘science’ is just as mysterious to them as religion is."


https://bsbuzzsaw.com/2021/12/04/science-faith-why-conservatives-cant-tell-the-difference/ - Go there for supporting links, and humor.

The bottom line is that they believe that all knowledge is simply 'a belief' and all beliefs are subjective, optional, and chosen. They think that our claims are just as without substance as theirs are because they don't understand 'substance'... and the irony of that is completely lost on them.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
33. Great post. Anyone who can use the 8-syllable "epistemologically" appropriately should
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:58 PM
Jul 2022

definitely author more OPs.

hay rick

(7,636 posts)
34. You omitted the most important truth. Trump is a traitor.
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:43 PM
Jul 2022

Your vote for him was an act of treason. Do not be surprised if complicity leads to consequences.

GenThePerservering

(1,833 posts)
42. I doubt this will
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:44 PM
Jul 2022

cause them any angst at all. They've heard all of those accusations before and it has done nothing because they're brainwashed into a cult. If anything, they'll just laugh and say "You libs are triggered, aren't you?"

We put our time and effort into beating them, not trying to change their minds - that last is not gonna happen. It's like taking out the trash, we don't sort it, we just dump it.

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