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Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:20 AM Jul 2022

Renato Mariotti unrolled Twitter thread on DoJ leadership rarely discussing Trump culpability

Mariotti is a former federal prosecutor.

This is an unrolled thread, easy to read.

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THREAD: What should we make of reports that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony was a surprise to DOJ, and that DOJ leadership has rarely discussed Trump's criminal culpability?

1/ Today the New York Times published a report by @ktbenner and @GlennThrush that offers a rare peek behind the curtain at DOJ and how they have investigated the January 6th attack.
It's full of revelations and worth a read.

Hutchinson Testimony Jolts Justice Dept. to Discuss Trump’s Conduct More Openly
A key witness’s account helped accelerate a shift in the agency’s inquiry: Overt talk about Mr. Trump and his behavior had been rare, except as a motive for the actions of others.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/jan-6-trump-cassidy-hutchinson-justice.html

2/ Perhaps the most interesting news is that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony "jolted top Justice Department officials into discussing the topic of Mr. Trump more directly" creating "pressure ... to scrutinize Mr. Trump's potential criminal culpability" which they rarely discussed.

3/ Hutchinson's testimony was "largely new" to DOJ leadership and "grabbed their attention."
This reporting clearly indicates that DOJ's investigation has not reached Trump's inner circle and is not directly considering Trump's criminal liability at this point.

4/ The article also provides some important detail about what the DOJ *is* investigating, including Jeffrey Clark and the fake elector scheme. We also know publicly that the Clark investigation involves John Eastman, who was the subject of a search warrant.

5/ Prior to Hutchinson's testimony, I wrote that the crooked lawyers assisting Trump, like Clark and Eastman, could be the first major January 6th defendants because their activity could lead to straightforward charges that DOJ often prosecutes.

6/ So I'm not surprised DOJ is further along investigating them than they are investigating Trump and his closest associates.
But my column was based on public knowledge, and I'm surprised that DOJ hasn't even investigated Trump's inner circle. They've let Congress go first.

7/ If the NYT reporting is correct, Congress is getting the first crack at the important witnesses that would be needed to establish a case against Trump.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it has some important implications for the criminal investigation.

8/ When I was a federal prosecutor, I conducted investigations in parallel with civil investigators at agencies like the SEC. That often meant that I let the civil investigators go first and stayed covert while they did their jobs.
Then I went second, and followed up.

9/ It sometimes meant that witnesses who might have taken the Fifth if criminal investigators approached them ended up testifying in the civil investigation, which helped a later criminal investigation.
Here, letting Congress go first also means more of the evidence is public.

10/ But the obvious downside is that Congress has a different agenda than the DOJ and lacks the powerful investigative tools that DOJ has, like search warrants, grand jury subpoenas, and wiretaps.
Congress may end up creating a record that complicates a later criminal case.

11/ All in all, there may be good reasons to let Congress go first. For no other reason, it ensures that the full record becomes public.
The publication of the Mueller report, setting forth wrongdoing in detail, is the exception -- not the norm.

12/ In most criminal investigations, all the public learns is what comes out in public filings or at trial. If no one is charged, the public learns nothing at all and the case is closed.
Here, it may actually be a good thing that Congress is getting the facts out first.

13/ But based on NYT's reporting, DOJ is not making a decision to hang back and let Congress go first as an investigative strategy.
Rather it appears, based on the article, that DOJ is reluctant to investigate -- or even discuss -- Trump's criminal liability.

14/ I have been critical of online speculation that charging Trump for his role on January 6th would be easy. Proving a case against Trump is much more difficult than many have led you to believe, and until Hutchinson's testimony, there wasn't enough public evidence to do so.

15/ But Mueller laid out extensive evidence in a public report and publicly testified that the evidence was sufficient to indict Trump after he left office.
Has DOJ not even considered whether charging him for those crimes would be in the public interest? We still do not know.

16/ After Biden defeated Trump, but before the attack on January 6th, I advocated (see below) for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate Trump's actions while in office and determine whether charges were warranted.
The Right Way to Investigate Trump Once He Leaves Office
The Department of Justice can appoint a special counsel. It will help keep politics out of holding Trump accountable.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/10/the-right-way-to-investigate-trump-once-he-leaves-office-435876

17/ I'm still convinced a special counsel would have been the right approach. Charging the previous president is a major and unprecedented step.
Public confidence that the process was not political in any way would be important.
A decision not to charge should be explained.

18/ There's nothing wrong with Garland and his team deciding to keep this decision for themselves. I would applaud them for exercising the restraint, great care, and prudence this issue merits.
But refusing to actively investigate and grapple with the matter cannot be defended.

19/ While Twitter commentators are not correct to assert that there is an obvious slam-dunk criminal case against Trump for his actions on January 6th, there has long been enough evidence in the public record to warrant opening an investigation into the matter.

20/ I can understand why DOJ officials may have had a healthy skepticism that an investigation would lead to criminal charges, and I can also understand that the mere existence of an investigation would be controversial, that controversy is not a proper reason not to investigate.

21/ Hutchinson's testimony establishes, at the very least, that Trump could face criminal incitement charges.
The fact of Trump's speech was never in dispute, and her testimony helps clear the otherwise insurmountable First Amendment hurdle.

Opinion | What Cassidy Hutchinson Said that Could Prove Trump’s Criminal Undoing
Donald Trump’s determination to lead his armed followers to march on the Capitol demonstrates the state of mind necessary to prove crimes such as incitement and obstruction.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/28/cassidy-hutchinson-jan-6-testimony-00042985

22/ It's possible DOJ would not want to take on the legal risk that could come with an incitement charge, since the current Supreme Court could find that the First Amendment protects Trump's speech.

But there's enough to warrant investigating the matter, at the very least.

23/ Criminal investigations are often slow, and at this pace, DOJ's investigation would take years to complete.
A careful investigation is understandable. But an aversion to considering Trump's criminal culpability is not.

24/ Some suggest that Trump should be charged to "save the Republic." Garland is right to reject those sorts of considerations.
But if you're going to do this by the book, as Garland claims he will do, then do it by the book. That means Trump doesn't get a free pass. /end
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Renato Mariotti unrolled Twitter thread on DoJ leadership rarely discussing Trump culpability (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jul 2022 OP
Maybe the DoJ should look up from their damned desks and venture out once in while. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #1
I want to know about this... BigmanPigman Jul 2022 #2
So it is basically what we all have been thinking every time people say Maraya1969 Jul 2022 #3
I had issues with Point No. 11. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #4
I pointed out to Mariotti on twitter that we people have never seen the full Mueller report. nt Grasswire2 Jul 2022 #6
Its all bullshit both siderism Cosmocat Jul 2022 #5

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
1. Maybe the DoJ should look up from their damned desks and venture out once in while.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 02:39 AM
Jul 2022

They may be missing a lot of the real world that others have to endure.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
2. I want to know about this...
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 04:20 AM
Jul 2022

15/ But Mueller laid out extensive evidence in a public report and publicly testified that the evidence was sufficient to indict Trump after he left office.
Has DOJ not even considered whether charging him for those crimes would be in the public interest? We still do not know.

Maraya1969

(22,484 posts)
3. So it is basically what we all have been thinking every time people say
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 04:52 AM
Jul 2022

Merrick Garland had "Got this" and we're thinking "He's not even paying attention"

Baitball Blogger

(46,737 posts)
4. I had issues with Point No. 11.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:21 AM
Jul 2022

11/ All in all, there may be good reasons to let Congress go first. For no other reason, it ensures that the full record becomes public.
The publication of the Mueller report, setting forth wrongdoing in detail, is the exception -- not the norm.

The Mueller Report is not even an exception. Have we really seen the full report? Or are there redacted parts, still.

And the DOJ tried to stifle the J6 Committee's effort. Didn't they claim that they were interfering with their investigation?

As far as I'm concerned, the DOJ and the FBI have been political organizations that have benefited Republican causes. They have the stench of James Comey's power grab that stole the election from Hilary Clinton. If Merrick Garland can turn the tide, it will be the first time, but time is ticking.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
5. Its all bullshit both siderism
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:33 AM
Jul 2022

There were be absolutely no nashing of the teeth at all about this had it been a democrat.

Getting the same noise from the same clowns about how prosecuting 45 will rip the country apart that they babbled about when we SHOULD have been going after 43 for lying the country into Iraq.

But, years and years of emails and benghazi over Hill ... Yes, she wasn't potus, but point being the first was a dubiously hyped up procedural issue, the second was something that happened a couple dozen times over the prior two decades in some form or another which no one paid any attention to, and everyone was perfectly fine with and cheered on the right spending every waking moment and endless congressional resources digging into her about these situations - and she was a potus nominee.


They haven't "thought" to look into 45 cause he was a republican, and the DOJ was always somewhat right leaning, but was totally corrupted by 45.

It is simple, what 45s party has parroted forever ... No one is above the law, do the crime, do the time. Sure, they think it doesn't apply to them, but it is up to the rest of the country to hold them accountable to their own fucking words.

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