"Please don't take the bait & start fighting over who is going to be our 2024 nominee. This is an

[FSogol]

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attempt to split the party ahead of the midterms. Let's try to stay focused on 2022. Please VoteBlue" - Bill Maxwell

Link to tweet

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[samnsara]

1. i know..whats with this crap on tv about all the dems wanting someone beside joe to run?

..as soon as that shit starts..i turn the channel. Thats dangerous chatter.

[DENVERPOPS]

75. Just remember

over 80+% of U.S. Media is owned by rich Republicans............

Besides, I agree, we need to concentrate our focus on 2022. If these *********** win the House and/or Senate, it is all over. Period.
Who knows what skulduggery the Republicans have planned for the next 3+ months........They are going for broke this time around, you ain't seen nothing yet.........1/6 was just a dress rehearsal...................

[SouthernDem4ever]

84. what's funny is they did the same shit during the presidential primaries

Joe won anyway.

[PatSeg]

90. Good point

We need to remember that and not get sucked into the fake controversies.

[brer cat]

2. Ita.

This is not the time to be fighting for 2024 potential candidates.

[Walleye]

3. Hear, hear. We don't have to fall for this shit every time they engineer it

Rally round Joe Biden and let it go at that. If they’re interested in winning in 2024 the best thing is to support Biden as much as possible, there’s not gonna be a savior come out of the dust for us

[SickOfTheOnePct]

4. Agree 100%!

Unless/until President Biden says he isn't running, he's our nominee and that needs to be the only story.

[Rebl2]

16. Absolutely!

[pandr32]

41. 100% this!

[secondwind]

5. K&R

[DFW]

6. Spot on

Someone (or a few someones) would like us to be re-enacting the final scene of Animal Farm, and let them walk with the midterms.

Don't take the bait!

[uponit7771]

7. K&R, ... and minimizing the first black woman VP qualifications for white males is a 100% losing

... venture on its face.

[niyad]

17. Exactly.

[Tomconroy]

8. Free speech is free speech. Like it or not.

[FSogol]

10. How does telling someone to reconsider what they are doing violate free speech?

[Bucky]

30. I don't think anyone said this OP is "violating" free speech

It's just that presidential elections are the sort of thing people are gonna talk about.

Of course focusing on 2022 is great advice.

[FSogol]

34. See post 8. n/t

[LakeArenal]

26. Not really. Even here on DU there are things you can't say or face removal.

[Lucid Dreamer]

37. I've been wondering how this will be handled in the 24 primary season.

If somebody were to write, "I think Dem Sen Susie Smithe would make a great Presidential Candidate," would that be considered insulting to Biden if he were the candidate for the nomination?

[This is a hypothetical policy question.]

[rockfordfile]

61. I would think that's just a person trying to disrupt our election with bs like they did in 2016

[tazkcmo]

28. TYRANNY!!!!!!!

Sarcasm

[wryter2000]

42. If saying unhelpful things is allowed

So is asking people to refrain from saying unhelpful things.

[Tomconroy]

45. Free speech is helpful. Like it or not.

[wryter2000]

55. Have you seen anyone censor the OP?

I haven’t

[wnylib]

62. For most Dems, the idea is to be helpful to Dems.

[Tomconroy]

63. Yes. Very true.

[Mariana]

71. To be fair, he did say "please", twice.

The tweet was clearly a request, not a demand.

[Lovie777]

9. K & R . . .

keep the eye on the prize.

[PortTack]

11. Yes! President Biden wants to run. He's the incumbent..enough!

[NanceGreggs]

12. The 2024 election ...

... is more than two years away. - and in today's political climate, that's equivalent to a lifetime.

We have no idea what will transpire between now and then that will impact political thinking, and political loyalties.

No one foresaw 9/11. No one foresaw COVID. No one foresaw a "pResident" inciting an armed insurrection against our democracy - and yet all of those events had an impact on the national psyche.

Predicting where we will be in 2024 as a party, or as a nation, is equivalent to reading tea-leaves , consulting Ouija boards, and relying on Tarot cards.

[FreepFryer]

13. BIDEN / HARRIS 2024 (nt)

[rockfordfile]

60. I agree and focus on 22

[yorkster]

14. Especially when it's some of the same crew

who brought us Trump in 2016. CNN and MSNBC have been alll over both the Biden poll numbers and the alternative candidate business. Thinking of morning joke and most daytime programming. A few days ago it was the topic of Ashley Parker's article in the Wapo. For once I was glad there was a paywall.

So, it all is turned off until the hearing comes on.

They are without shame.

[LakeArenal]

29. Colbert has been doing it too. It's not time to be negative on this Presidency.

[yorkster]

40. That's disappointing... n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Please, folks, concentrate on NOW: 2022

Link to tweet

There is an election in 2022, where if we don’t focus, we can have Governors Doug Mastriano, Kari Lake, & Tudor Dixon. All election deniers; all opposed to any right to abortion.

This 24 talk is out of control, completely counterproductive, and absolutely missing what’s at stake

[betsuni]

73. +1

[Martin Eden]

18. Agree 100%

Presidential campaigns are already too long, and speculation years in advance serve no useful purpose other than fodder for the talking heads (David Byrne excepted).

[Thunderbeast]

19. I have yet to see him "miss a step"

His speech impediment sometimes is mistaken (especially by his critics) as cognitive decline. A man of principle, I believe that Biden would step aside if he found himself incapable of handling the stresses of the office.

Dr. Jill Biden is NO Nancy Reagan. If Joe becomes impaired, she will let him know that it is time to go. If that were to happen, we have a skilled Vice President, fully capable of filling his shoes. Harris has been at the table in ALL major policy discussions.

The blue bench is strong.

[betsuni]

44. +1

[usaf-vet]

20. The wife and I are half way there. We filled out our absentee ballots and drop them back....

.... at city hall. We are waiting for the fall election to VOTE to toss the repugs out.

We live in a small town in Wisconsin.

The ONLY dropbox for absentee ballots is at the foot of the stairs in front of city hall. SO THE WISCONSIN's right-wing SCOTUS only cost us 20 extra steps to hand them in.

And our alert city hall election officials already had the box sealed.

This vote suppression SH*T has to stop. The only evidence I've seen of election FRAUD / STEALING is ALL REPUBLICANS.

[FakeNoose]

21. We're being trolled, and some of us are falling for it

Ignore any "poll" that talks about Biden. Joe Biden isn't up for re-election, so it's just noise.

We're smarter than this! Come on Democrats, let's pull together and Get Out The Vote!

[FSogol]

25. +1. n/t

[LoisB]

22. If Joe is on a primary ballot in 2024, I will vote for him; if Joe is the 2024 nominee, I will vote

for him. eom

[calimary]

35. So will I. Period.

News media REFUSES to give him a break. It’s driving me nuts. ALWAYS with the “stir shit up! Accentuate the negative” crap.

I’m hating this! Stand with Our President! Learn to recognize the good guy when he’s standing right there facing you!

[LoisB]

54. Amen! Also, the "he's too old" crap really chaps my hide.

[Wounded Bear]

23. Good advice! One step at a time...nt

[calimary]

24. THANK YOU!!!!!

[Bucky]

27. It's crazy how people are always thinking ahead and expressing their opinions

such audacity

[FSogol]

31. They'll be plenty of time to blow the Presidential election AFTER we blow the midterms.

Us Democrats gotta Democrat, I guess?

[PdamnedQ]

32. Jeff Cohen and the other folks at Roots Action need to think about the effects of thier actions.

I live in Ohio. The folks in my area can flip on a moments notice, but not if you plant any doubt in their minds.

Roots Action should work on turning things around by having the masses understand how important their objectives are to everyone, and not just insist that we decapitate our leadership.

They might want to consider helping to win back statehouse's, instead of tearing down ours. I believe it's time we stick together. We should do our housecleaning after we win, and not before.

So, until that time I for one would like to have Jeff to sit the fuck down, and wait his fucking turn.

If we don't win the midterms the cheaters will do the same things that they have done for the 50 years to make our democracy increasing irrelevant.

However, if they win in 2024 the Republican Mafia will recreate the United States in their own perverted fascist image and then we are all truly screwed.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

53. Roots Action actively opposes such things as US support for Ukraine.

Of course they don't want Biden to be reelected.

Putin's tendrils run deep.

Their "turn" should never come.

[PdamnedQ]

57. While I think everyone can agree that the events transpiring in Ukraine are horrid and unnessisary.

I looked at their position on the conflict and they only broadly condemn, but offer no alternative solutions.

Do they want to have Ukraine "play nice" and die?

Thanks for you post. After further review of their website I agree with you, "Their "turn" should never come."

[Just A Box Of Rain]

58. They offer the "solution" of Ukraine negotiating a surrender to Putin.

To illustrate how fanatical this group is, let me copy a few paragraphs and show an accompanying photo-illustration from Roots Action website.

Note, these are anti-Democratic words and images that I thoroughly repudiate, I offer them only as evidence of their nuttery:

In reality, the U.S. is an empire, not a democracy. Its policy is not driven by the needs or opinions of its people, but by the needs of capitalism. Massachusetts Peace Action first laid out this perspective eight years ago in our discussion paper, A Foreign Policy for All.

Our understanding that the U.S. is an empire is not shared by Democratic progressives such as Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, McGovern, Pressley, Warren, or others. While they critique capitalist control of U.S. politics, they have not applied this critique to foreign policy. In effect, their view is that the U.S. is an imperfect democracy and that we should use U.S. military power to check authoritarian states around the world.

Such a view is not far from the neoconservative line that the U.S. is the last best hope of freedom. In this way, the progressive Democrats become leaders of the war party.



https://rootsaction.org/news-a-views/2862-progressive-democrats-don-helmets-embrace-us-russia-proxy-war

[czarjak]

80. Says who?

[Roc2020]

33. BIDEN 2024!

Period. Now back to the traitors that backed Jan.6th.

[lees1975]

36. It's the midterms, folks, and then there's two more years.

We need a Democratic congress, with at least two more Democratic senators, which it looks like we have a really good shot at getting, to set the table for a presidential victory in 2024. So let's focus on this, please, and worry about 2024 when it becomes something to worry about.

BTW, if you are a poll watcher, you can see that there is an equally high percentage of Republicans who don't seem to think that the failed President 45 should run again, either. At this point, with the other fascists they have, it won't matter who their candidate is, they are all unpatriotic, anti-American, anti-Democratic fascists. But this could be a back-door factor in the Democrats keeping control of the house, because some of the loony idiots that the former failed president 45 is endorsing are going to have major issues getting elected.

[airmid]

38. It does not matter who the nominee is to me, I will vote blue. I will never vote for the GOP.

Never….

[gordianot]

43. I once voted for a Republican because I despised the Democratic Senate Candidate.

Warren Hearnes Governor of Missouri was everything I despised in politics. There was some suspicion he had the plane of sabotaged of his rival for the Democratic Senate candidacy Gerry Litton. By voting for John Danforth I ended up with the consequences of Clarence Thomas a man I encountered in my work place and knew as a considered stalker being placed on the Supreme Court. I have not cast a single vote for another Republican since the one I cast for Danforth.

[True Blue American]

39. Thank you for that.

Roy Blunt, Republican Senator just praised NATO AS,” The most successful NATO, EVER.How they have 2 important new members and working as a team against Putin!
Who accomplished that?

[Novara]

46. Even in this thread, in a discussion about not getting sucked in to 2024 talk ...

... people are falling for it.

I DON'T CARE WHO YOU'LL VOTE FOR IN 2024. WHO WILL YOU VOTE FOR IN 119 DAYS?

[CaptainTruth]

50. +1000

[Torchlight]

47. Lots of noise these days. I try to filter out the stupid

and have gotten pretty good about ignoring the bait and sea lions. Though sometimes I've gotten really tempted to engage in adolescent tit for tats, I'm happy to say the better angels of my nature usually win.



All other things being equal, Biden has my support, my vote, and my confidence. All the noise ain't gonna change that.

[867-5309.]

48. It's meaningless until Joe formally announces something

No one substantial would challenge him. It's his for the asking.

[CaptainTruth]

49. This crap is pushed by bots & trolls on Twitter.

It's amazing how many times, when I look at an account pushing it, I discover the account was created in the last 6 months & only has 100-200 followers. Then, if I look at who they follow I see a bunch of other accounts created in the last 6 months with only 100-200 followers, & etc etc

[peggysue2]

51. This x1000!

The agitators, the spinners and chronic complainers have purpose.

MIDTERM RESULTS.

A victory for them, a loss for us and the country.

Eyes on the prize! This could easily be our last shot to turn things around.

[Greybnk48]

52. I'm just moving all the "Dems are in disarray" to the trash.

I don't even want to read them. Biden/Harris 2024.

[Cha]

56. TY.. yes there are those who

want us to Lose the Midterms. Care more about themselves than they do our Democracy and Planet.

Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

[Skittles]

59. so, essentially we are stuck

alrighty then

[W_HAMILTON]

66. Stuck? STUCK? What do you mean by that, exactly? Hmm?

[Skittles]

67. cannot really say, can I?

over and out

[W_HAMILTON]

69. Then why are you even here?

We support DEMOCRATS around these parts. Not just because they are Democrats, but because of what they stand for.

Who exactly do you support, if not Biden and other good Democrats? Hmm?

[Skittles]

70. I DO SUPPORT DEMOCRATS

DONE HERE

[W_HAMILTON]

72. Just not our Democratic president, apparently.

I don't know who you support for president -- although I can probably guess -- but newsflash: things wouldn't be any different with him/her in office right now. The president is not a king. It doesn't matter how much you """fight""" -- especially when """fighting""" nowadays apparently constitutes making snarky social media posts for likes and retweets... -- if you don't have the numbers to accomplish what needs to be accomplished.

And if you refer to the current Democratic president as being STUCK with him, that exact sentiment is what led to our problems today and that exact sentiment is what will keep us from resolving those problems going forward.

[867-5309.]

79. It's okay to want a different nominee in 2024

so long as you'd support Joe or whomever may win the nomination. But it's Joe's for the asking, imo.

[W_HAMILTON]

82. Saying we are "stuck" with him is not supporting him right now.

And whoever would be dumb enough to run against him would get trounced in the primaries and it would forever stain them in the Democratic Party as a backstabbing and ambitious fool who that themselves ahead of the party, so let's see how many are stupid enough to try that.

For all the talk about how """unpopular""" Biden is, any potential challenger would gather far fewer votes than he would because there is no one that Democrats, as a whole, like better; if there was, they would have won in 2020 rather than get beaten soundly by Biden like 20+ of them already did.

[867-5309.]

87. So was Ted Kennedy 'a backstabbing and ambitious fool'?

How does saying we're 'stuck' with Joe in 2024 on a discussion forum impact him now? Performing is on them once in office.

[W_HAMILTON]

88. No one can perform miracles.

If you don't get Democrats in office to help him, there is only so much that can be done. Once again, he is not a king and he's not going to destroy our democracy -- would some of you prefer that he do that? -- to accomplish your wishes either.

And if you don't see how complaining about Biden and all the other things you do make it less likely to get Democrats elected, I don't know what to tell you. You've had years and years worth of evidence that you are apparently ignoring.

Once again, if Biden chooses to run again -- which he has already said that he has no intention to do otherwise -- he will trounce anyone and everyone dumb enough to challenge him.

[867-5309.]

89. One more time - was Ted Kennedy 'a backstabbing and ambitious fool'?

Progressives complained about Obama and Clinton and they were re-elected. The important thing is voting for them in the general. But to expect no criticism or push from the left isn't realistic.

[W_HAMILTON]

91. And SOME progressives complained about another Clinton...

...and they were NOT elected, directly leading to our problems today.

And SOME progressives complained about Obama, which led to wipeouts in the 2010 midterms, which set the stage for what happened in 2016 and ever since.

If you think SOME progressives constantly shitting on good Democrats doing their best is somehow beneficial for all, why the hell hasn't it gotten you and your ideals anywhere? Hell, just look at history: it's done more to further Republican and conservative ideals than it has progressive ideals at this point. The Republicans thank you for your work.

As for Kennedy, that was before my time, but you are using that as some sort of DEFENSE to your argument? A primary fight in 2024 like happened in 1980 would be THE FUCKING END OF OUR DEMOCRACY. PERIOD. I know that SOME of you self-proclaimed progressives want that -- Susan Sarandon's revolution and all that, right? -- but most do not.

WE ACTUAL PROGRESSIVES want to see PROGRESS made, which is what we've been seeing, and we'd see more if we got a few more Democrats that think like we do into office.

YOU """progressives""" think we need to clear house of most Democrats -- hey, isn't that the same goal of Republicans? -- when most Democrats, INCLUDING JOE FUCKING BIDEN, are NOT the problem.

[867-5309.]

93. "A primary fight in 2024 like happened in 1980 would be THE FUCKING END OF OUR DEMOCRACY. PERIOD"

What? Being a primary challenger is destroying democracy? I don't advocate Sarandon's approach. Come general election time, support the Democrat.

A primary challenge to get a more progressive nominee for any office is valid. I don't think we need to clean house of all Democrats as much as we need to stretch them and the party left. Heck, Joe has evolved. That's a good thing.

[W_HAMILTON]

94. Going up against a popular incumbent president will only serve to divide.

And, odds are, the only """Democratic""" candidate that would potentially do such a thing is the one that has already done it before and clearly doesn't care if our democracy is broken even further if they dare to do it again. Biden doesn't need to be dragged to the left -- he needs more Democrats in there that support him and his current agenda.

Once again, we have history to tell us how it will all turn out. Not just one example, not just two, not just three, but ENDLESS EXAMPLES of progressive ideals getting screwed over because CERTAIN progressives thought their way of going about things was the best way and history has shown, time and time again, that it clearly is NOT.

Support GOOD DEMOCRATS and work to get more GOOD DEMOCRATS into office instead of shitty Republicans -- how hard is that to comprehend? Some narcissist challenging Biden in a 2024 primary does nothing to advance those goals, and, in fact, it only serves to work against them. Biden is not the problem here. Republicans and a small, small, SMALL handful of Democratic politicians are the problem. Elect more Democrats to make them all irrelevant and let Biden accomplish WHAT HE WANTS TO DO ALREADY BUT CAN'T BECAUSE OF THESE OBSTRUCTIONISTS.

[867-5309.]

95. Which potential """Democratic""" challenger to Biden has challenged a popular incumbent president?

And I don't think we can reasonably call Joe popular at this point.

"Good" Democrats is a question of degree. Democrats of most any stripe are preferable to Republicans. Yet pulling some left and primarying others is all valid. Otherwise, we wouldn't have AOC for example.

[W_HAMILTON]

96. Biden will easily beat back any challenger.

Hell, he's beaten 20+ of them already, and now he has the power of incumbency.

Just because Biden is """unpopular""" among Democrats doesn't mean that any other Democrat is more popular enough to get more votes than him. No one will beat him in a primary and it will only serve to divide our party further and weaken our president. They had their chance to beat him and they all lost. Trying to oust him at this point is something only narcissistic idiots that care more about their own political ambitions and legacies would try to do.

And I don't hold up AOC as the shining example that you apparently do.

[867-5309.]

97. Was Ted Kennedy a narcissistic idiot?

Or maybe you think it's okay to challenge an incumbent president in more "normal" times as Kennedy did, but there is too much at stake in 2024 to cause undue damage to winning the general?

If you think AOC's election wasn't a good thing, we just have some fundamental disagreements.

[W_HAMILTON]

98. We most certainly obviously do have some fundamental disagreements.

And, once again, you bringing up Kennedy in 1980 is NOT the defense you think it is. It weakened Carter even further and helped lead to the "Reagan Revolution" that we are still reeling from to this day.

Once again, certain progressives can be their own worst enemy.

Again, I ask: how hard is it to go after your obvious enemies than your allies?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

64. Yep

[LT Barclay]

65. As someone who was all in for Bernie and still roots for progressives, I'm impressed with 90% of

what Biden has done and I don't believe Bernie could have done any more.
It happened in the courts, but I even got my wolf protections back.

So I would say I agree with this statement! Remember when anyone talks about gas prices or inflation, that is just a corporate tantrum because they don't want to have to play by any rules.

[H2O Man]

68. Recommended.

Be here, now.

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. Amen!

[yellowdogintexas]

76. Jack Holmes wrote a big piece in Esquire spouting all this nonsense

I hate all this nonsense.

It is definitely a distraction

[Upthevibe]

77. If we haven't effing learned by now to not allow ourselves to

be "Steined" and "Nadered" we're done!

We HAVE to stick together! F U to anyone who tries to stir the pot! I haven't gotten over what happened in 2000 much less 2016 because of bullsh** like this.

If I'm correct, DU started because of the 2000 sElection. I understand that there were a lot of variables that caused it to go the way it did but Ralph Nadar was one of the biggest factors.

[betsuni]

78. I see discussions, people mad because they voted for Biden but he's late reacting to things

and probably doesn't want to do anything anyway so they don't want to vote for him again. Like, what's the difference, you're not represented, why vote.

Ah, excellent reason! A government doesn't react with statements as quickly as someone on Twitter so that means they don't care and aren't doing anything and same as Republicans.

This mix of idealism and pessimism is vexing. The fantasy that if you get just the right pure moral leader everything you want will happen, but if the savior is thwarted by the establishment or something, Republicans are fine because why should you care if the whole country is punished and people suffer. Your feelings of disappointment about basically nothing are the most important thing.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

81. Kick!

[rpannier]

85. I don't see it as bait. It's the norm for the 24-hour newscycle

There isn't enough news that they have video of to fill 24-hours
CNN, MSNBC and Faux have all these overpaid political commentators that have to get on TV to justify the salaries they're getting
Hence, when 2016 was over they talked 2020 non-stop until 2020 election ended and they've moved on to 2024
And after 2024, they'll start talking 2028
Complaining about this is like yelling at the tide
Seeing some kind of grand conspiracy is ignoring the last 2+ decades of 24-hour cable news

[Aussie105]

86. United we stand, divided we fall.

Remember that.

It deserves a bumper sticker. With a picture of Joe and Kamala.

[Initech]

92. No it's what I like to call a "distraction issue".

Much like Hunter Biden's laptop or Benghazi or the "border crisis". We should be united and focusing our efforts on January 6th and to stop the Trump cabal and Fox News once and for all.