General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnother General Killed as Russian Leak Admits 'Big Shot Fucking Command' Was Obliterated
Link to tweet
https://www.thedailybeast.com/another-general-killed-as-russian-leak-admits-big-shot-fucking-command-was-obliterated
No paywall
https://archive.ph/xli7k
Ukrainian forces took out yet another Russian general in a massive counterattack in Kherson, local authorities said Tuesday.
A general and five Russian military officers were killed in a Ukrainian strike on Russian headquarters using the U.S.-supplied M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARs), according to Serhiy Bratchuk, a representative of the Odesa regional military administration.
After a strike by HIMARS on the headquarters in the Kherson region, Major General [Artyom] Nasbulin, the head of the 22nd Army Corps of the Russian Armed Forces (military unit 73954, Simferopol), was killed. Colonel Kens, whose death we announced yesterday, died there as well. And apart from him, the commander of the 20th motorized rifle division (military unit 22220, Volgograd) Colonel Andrei Gorobyets, the head of the operational department of the headquarters of the 20th MRD, Colonel Koval, the head of artillery of the 20th MRD, Colonel Gordeev. In total more than 150 died, including 5 officers, Bratchuk said in a statement posted on Telegram.
Russian-installed authorities in the occupied Nova Kakhovka confirmed a Ukrainian strike on the area but made no mention of the Russian general and officers killed, claiming instead that Ukrainian forces had used American HIMARS to strike a warehouse storing a chemical compound that caused a massive explosion.
Russias RIA Novosti, citing local Kremlin-backed authorities, said at least five people were killed, seven were missing, and up to 80 were injured.
*snip*
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Sounds like he was from the Caucasus. Good riddance!
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)That is a big blow to Russian senior command.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 13, 2022, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)
They will figure it's safer to take out Putin then it is to continue fighting in Ukraine. Here's to hoping that there are a few Klaus Stauffenberg's in the Russian army.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)We shall see if one takes matters into his own hands.
anamnua
(1,114 posts)Von Stauffenbergs😊
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)and these were military people, not civilians.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)In contrast only six US generals were killed in combat during the entire Viet Nam war.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)I suspect the Vietnamese killed a few during Tet?
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Five other generals died in VN but not killed by the enemy.
Accidents, heart attack, etc.
US generals dying in VN were total of 11.
Six deaths by foe.
See the list below, a list of the six generals killed by enemy action.
In terms of the TET deaths, even though the official TET offensive was Jan-Feb 1968, I am going to include enemy induced deaths for generals during the whole year as there were minor TET offensives during the rest of the year too.
You can see half the generals were killed during 1968, so yes TET related.
Major General Bruno Hohmut, USMC Division 3, exploded with his UH-1 153.757, 14.11.1967. VC claimed AAA hit.
Major General Robert Worley, Vice commandant of FW7 corps. exploded with his RF-4C 65-0895, 460, Technical Reconnaissance Group, 23.07.1968.
Major General Keith Ware, Commandant First Army Division. killed with UH-1 67-17.552 13.09.1968
Brigadier General William Bond, Commandant of Light infantry regiment Died 01.04.1970. Sniper kill
Major General John Dillard Jr Commandant of Engineering corps, died 12.05.1970 in his UH-1, 68-16.342, shoot down
Brigadier General Richard Tollmen, Vice Commandant of Fire support tactical zone 3. died 07.09.1972 after wounded by VC/DRV artillery
Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Hopefully the trend continues.
peggysue2
(10,832 posts)Reportedly, at the end of last week a warning circulated, a call to all remaining citizens to leave Kherson if they could or prepare to shelter in place with adequate food and water for several weeks.
Zelenskyy predicted the crucial battles for Ukraine would occur in July and August. With all these exploding ammunition and fuel depots, now Command HQ's, he appears to be on the nose.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)A huge offensive assault on Russians by the Ukrainians.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)I would imagine Russia is low on munitions across the whole southern arc based on how hard Ukraine has been hitting their supply lines.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Ukraine has been targeting RU munition and fuel depots in the last few weeks.
And Russians have been firing relentlessly on Ukrainian targets. No military in the world can keep this up indefinitely. Experts say they only have a few months left of ammo.
Of course western stockpiles are being depleted as well.
Also Russia has manpower shortages along with poor troop morale and is considering forcing prisoners into active duty.
Russia's dream of conquering all of Ukraine seems to be gone. The best they can hope for is taking a small part of Ukraine. But grinding down Ukraine to the point they will negotiate.
Model35mech
(1,540 posts)The Russian Army seems to be run quite authoritarianly by incompetent O-5's and )-6's,
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)That is a lot of rank with boots on the ground.
Model35mech
(1,540 posts)Russian divisional and battalion HQs are apparently positioned within Ukraine's effective fire range. I don't think that would be tremendously common in traditional US combat units, but then things do change. As I remember it majors (O-4s) were use to carry 'command' criticism and opinions out to battalions. They weren't much respected. I know because my brother was one in Vietnam.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)RU has been sloppy about their communication devices so are easy to track.
Snipers can get in and out of areas quickly.
I grew up in the Air Force, my dad flew combat in VN, so I am not familiar with how the Army structured people in the field back then. The AF provides air support to ground troops, so not set up like the Army and Marines. The AF officers flew recon, cargo, refuelers, etc during VN, at least from the bases where we lived.
AF personnel flying in and out of VN, were living in small bases back then in various southeast asian countries. The only full colonel on base was the base commander.
There might be a few Lt Cols in staff positions. The rest were Lts, Captains and Majors doing the actual flying. We never saw a general.
That is interesting in VN that majors were in the field, but not on the front lines. And no one liked the field commanders. Same with the AF, the higher the rank a person was, the more people didn't like him.
I like to read about WWII and usually you read about enlisted men with a Sgt leading them in combat, or maybe a Lt. Rarely a Captain. Higher rank is well behind front lines.
Sky Jewels
(7,113 posts)sucker.