can we all please learn to resist the bait? please?

[mopinko]

we.must.stop.this.shit.
https://democraticunderground.com/10142941877

a wise fish doesnt get caught cuz it keeps it's mouth shut.
the rw ears are here, ready to pipe your hot takes on breakfast tacos and tan suits into the weirdosphere.
stop giving them ammunition. stop giving nontroversies oxygen.

THIS.IS.WHY.WE.LOSE.

[Walleye]

1. Hear, hear

[Tetrachloride]

2. +1

DU rules are a help in resisting bait.

Even Salon isn’t immune from resisting . Check your sources and how the RW will exploit any topic.

[Ohio Joe]

3. I completely agree

[AllTooEasy]

44. THE BIDENS ARE LIVING GODS!!!

Thou Shall Not Hold Bidens Accountable on DU. True Infallibility resides in Them!

Zero Internal Accountability is our ONLY path to victory, even More So to maintain our integrity.

Seriously folks, the First Lady's apology made me prouder than ever of both Bidens. She identified her mistake (we all slip up), owned up to it (like a role model for Class and Maturity), and SINCERELY apologized (The Democrat Way). Shows her high character, which Melania has never displayed. Repukes doubled down or say nothing, hoping that everyone would just forget it. Considering their bigoted cult followers, Repuke political leaders truthfully don't need to apologize.

Roe, Roe, Roe the Vote!!! (somebody should create t-shirts, gifs, emojis, etc.)!

[Tommy Carcetti]

4. Nontroversies.

I like it.

[867-5309.]

5. DU didn't make this a news story

It already was. How is discussing it a problem?

I'm thinking someone needs to be fired.

[mopinko]

6. this is how we lose.

this right here. wake up.

[iemanja]

24. It is not how we lose.

How absurd. We lose because people don't turn out to vote or they refuse to vote for Democrats. This isn't an issue anyone votes on, so why are you making it a huge deal if you want it buried? The people telling us what to think are the ones who brought the whole thing up. I wouldn't even have known about it if I hadn't been scolded about what to think.
Newsflash: If you don't want to draw attention to something, don't post about it.

[mopinko]

25. we lose because people get discouraged and confused.

and what happens on places like du are exactly how this crap gets into the real news, such as that is. it's a 2 way ecosystem now.
and there are ppl who are paid to be here, and float this bullshit upwards.

[iemanja]

27. I posted about human trafficking, which it turns out interests no one

You posted about this story and in the process keep it alive.

[mopinko]

28. dont think there's a lot we can do about human trafficking. we can

resist the ratfucking of a place that means a lot to most of us here.

[iemanja]

29. And thus you promote the story.

[mopinko]

30. yeah, it's a cause now.

and the more pushback i get, the more it becomes a crusade.

it's not only vital to upend the craposhpere, i find a duty to defend my party from puny darts thrown be evil minions. ymmv.

[Higherarky]

54. Evil minions?

DU members are evil minions?

Oh My ...

[mopinko]

62. talking about the fools who pitched this stupid story.

[inthewind21]

70. So

You call those that pitch this story stupid idiots and turn around and pitch it again. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

[BlackSkimmer]

56. Oh dearie me! Those of us who might disagree with you are now evil minions?

[mopinko]

63. talking about the idiots who pitched this story.

[inthewind21]

72. Ummmmm

You posted it.

[BlackSkimmer]

49. Thank you.

Spot on.

[Tommy Carcetti]

8. Yes. Scandalize a non-scandal.

You’re full of great ideas today.

[H2O Man]

9. You've noticed, too.

[Tommy Carcetti]

11. The good news is...

…in literally 15 minutes nobody will care.

[H2O Man]

12. Yep!

[paleotn]

46. Care about what?

[paleotn]

45. It's a BS, manufactured from grade A crap story...

no matter where it came from. Did you read or hear Jill Biden's quote in context?

[867-5309.]

47. No it's not, and yes I did

The comment was not okay.

[paleotn]

48. Your faux outrage is noted.

Context.....

as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

Give it a rest. To paraphrase Gilbert Gottfried.."There's people out their with chainsaws and you're attacking Jill Biden."

[867-5309.]

51. Being unhappy with the speechwriters is warranted

The "context" you post doesn't really change much.

[H2O Man]

7. Thank you!

I'll add one of Malcolm X's saying: just because a man throws worms into the water, doesn't mean he is a friend of the fish." At a time when people too often run on emotion and not rational thought, be aware that there are people pretending to be democrats who are tossing andfuls of worms into the internet ponds.

[Torchlight]

10. There will be a LOT of chum thrown into the water

until Nov.

I observe who pitches the chum overboard most consistently, and make a point to avoid engaging them.

[mopinko]

13. this would be a better place if more people used ignore.

now, i'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but we all suspect some are paid to be here. as in- paid by the click. half the site has them on ignore, they go looking for greener pastures.

[oldsoftie]

23. Doubtful; too easy to get the hook.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

14. Roe, Roe, Roe your vote

Ignore the nontroversies
GOP deflects and distracts
While killing democracy

[IronLionZion]

15. There are plenty of jobs, oil prices are down from a few months ago

so might as well talk about breakfast tacos, which are delicious, totally normal for Texas, and not the scandalous comment some are making it out to be.

[iemanja]

16. Most everyone is defending it

I for one will not treat differently a mistake because it happens to be made by a Democrat. To assert everything Democrats do is acceptable is hypocritical, especially because if a Republican had done this, DUers would be all over it. The First Lady made a mistake and rightly apologized.

So what if RWers see a handful of Duers say the comment was a mistake? They don't need that for ammunition. They are far more likely to comment on the Democrats who defend things for no other reason than a Democrat said it.

[mopinko]

19. you need to learn how this all works.

it's called priorities. proportionality. this is like leaving a 1 star review for a 5 star restaurant because a fly flew through the room.
and reporting is it was an inside, local joke that outsiders didnt get, but those in the room did.

at least learn to hold your peace til the whole story comes out.

[iemanja]

21. It's not my priority

It's not even a blip. It does, however, seem to be your priority.

And no, you will no control my mind or my words. So you can forget about that.

[mopinko]

37. well, not swallowing propaganda and misinformation and slime would seem like a skill

that even the foot soldiers should have. but you go ahead and oil up your catapult.

[Treefrog]

50. I think it very offensive when one poster tells

another what to post, even what to think.

That’s really astonishing to me.

[mopinko]

69. well, you're taking it wrong. it's meant as tactical advise.

[JohnnyRingo]

40. That's right.

Being a liberal democrat doesn't mean I have to remain ignorant about the world around me. Good news, bad news, stupid news, and funny news, I can sort it out.

[USALiberal]

17. Caps??

[BannonsLiver]

18. +10000

I keep hoping people will figure that out, but alas, virtue signaling seems to have more appeal.

[mopinko]

20. yup.

[CaptainTruth]

22. Thank you. We don't need to amplify RW/media talking points...

...& help social media bots & trolls do their work.

[mopinko]

26. anyone who thinks there are no paid trolls here

[Kingofalldems]

32. Of course there are.

[inthewind21]

74. You mean

like what's happening right now by bringing it up again. Hey, don't pay any attention to that story I'm posting about right now.

[Lulu KC]

31. "This is why we lose"

Thinking about that very statement.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

33. Kick while watching J6 and thinking Roe, Roe, Roe your vote

[Jack-o-Lantern]

34. It's a good thing she didn't mention hot dogs and apple pie...

So many Americans would be outraged.

[FBaggins]

35. No. We can't

The evidence is pretty clear at this point.

Any other questions?

[mopinko]

36. apparently.

should i bring a hot dish to the funeral?

[JohnnyRingo]

38. If it's an actual fact I want to know. Don't filter my news.

It may not be important news, but I like to stay informed and I count on DU for a lot of that information.

Censorship breeds ignorance.

[mopinko]

42. and it's just as easy to swat it down as it is to lift it up.

maybe msm wouldnt be so full of bs if people didnt swallow so hard.

[mountain grammy]

39. I swear, I walk around all day mumbling

"shut up, shut up, shut up" Wearing a mask again, so that's good thing.

[mopinko]

41. yeah, i have a hard time getting into that gear.

[Warpy]

43. Well, that's not why we lose

although it's annoying as hell on many levels.

And no, I didn't rise to the bait. At my last job interview, I said I couldn't be responsible for anything that fell out of my mouth at the end of a shift when I was tired. I got hired on the spot.

I didn't hyperventilate over Melania's profanity laced phone call over Xmas decorations, I'm certainly not going to hyperventilate over this. Yeah, It was tacky, so what? Anyone who has avoided the taste of shoe leather at one time or another must be boring beyond belief.

[TheProle]

52. "You can't discuss in here. This is a discussion forum!"

&ab_channel=HollywoodMovies

[Higherarky]

55. !

[mopinko]

57. lol. good job.

[mcar]

53. Happy to rec this

[Skittles]

58. nonsense

we don't lose because we can recognize when a Dem does something stupid

we lose WHEN WE DON'T VOTE

[mopinko]

59. but ppl get discouraged and dont is the point.

when we engage in this kind of petty sniping, it hurts us w voters.
and it fuel the batshitosphere.

[Act_of_Reparation]

61. The problem with voter turnout has very little to do with what is said here.

You vastly overestimate this site's reach.

[mopinko]

64. mebbe. but you underestimate it.

we wouldnt have been hacked hard on election night '16 if nobody is listening here.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

60. Opinion: Progressives are practically doing Republicans' job for them

I agree Paul Begala's recommendations

Link to tweet

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/opinions/progressives-mad-joe-biden-begala/index.html

So, with women's and trans rights under assault, the planet on fire and democracy under assault, some Democrats are furious with... Biden......

And yet, some in the Democratic Party are complaining about the President and his approach to governance. Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Tina Smith of Minnesota have called on Biden to declare a national emergency over the rollback of abortion rights and to set up abortion clinics on federal land -- despite the legal ban on federal funding for most abortions, and the reality that such a move could put doctors and women at risk of arrest when they depart federal land within a state that has outlawed abortion.....

But the reality is that Biden has, in fact, done a ton of good despite GOP obstructionism. His American Rescue Plan invested more than $13 billion in minority-serving institutions of higher education, more than $10 billion in community colleges, $2.6 billion in Historically Black Colleges and Universities and about $190 million in tribal colleges and universities.

His policies -- especially the child tax credit in his rescue package -- reduced child poverty, keeping some six million kids from falling into poverty. Young people, and all of us who know and love them, should be singing Biden's praises for what he has done, not criticizing him for what the Republicans have blocked him from doing.

I am old enough to remember when it was right-wing Republicans who were hellbent on tearing down Democratic presidents like Barack Obama and Clinton; now the progressives are practically doing the GOP's job for them.

I have a radical proposal for my progressive friends: Stop attacking Biden and start attacking Republicans. If you think Biden is too weak, don't weaken him further for goodness sakes. Strengthen him, so he can lead the way forward.

[AntivaxHunters]

71. lol The Lincoln Project is run by a bunch of racist Republicans

Yikes!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

78. Paul Begala is the author of the opinion

I trust Paul Begala

Link to tweet

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. DUers posting what already appeared in many new outlets won't make any difference.

DU is not such an important place that our reaction to it then affects others.

I would suggest, however, that no-one takes their opposition to stories like so far as to alert on them for being "right wing". If the post was hidden by a jury, that then would alienate the DUer who did nothing more than post a news story with significant coverage.

[mopinko]

66. you think nobody counts clicks?

i never vote to hide a story cuz i dont like it. that's not rly what i'm talking about.
i'm talking about the poutrage.

[muriel_volestrangler]

67. Yes, I think nobody counts clicks.

Seriously, you think there's someone stupid enough to waste their time comparing view counts of different DU stories and make something of it?

This OP seems to object to the other thread's existence. And I've served on a jury in the past few days trying to get an LBN OP that consisted of a legitimate news story from a mainstream source removed as "right wing propaganda" - it may have been that thread. Some DUer has the idea that DU shouldn't reflect political reality if they think it doesn't advance the Democratic cause.

[mopinko]

68. 1st of all, google analytics does that shit for you.

i'm sure there are algorithms to sort reactions too.

reality on this is slippery in the best of times, and atm i'm not sure it even matters.
read some chomsky about manufacturing consent.

[muriel_volestrangler]

75. I really don't know how this post relates to your OP, or the other thread

I don't think there are opposition people trying to use Google Analytics to work out what interests DUers. I suppose I'd rather they waste their money on Google that put it to some other use. I don't think they'll be able to use it work out how to get fewer votes going to Democrats, anyway. And I don't think that self-censoring (ie not posting news stories if they're not 'good news for Democrats') would have an effect. If that's what you mean by "i'm not sure it even matters", then we seem to agree.

I have no idea where "Manufacturing Consent" comes into this, and I don't feel like reading a whole book to get your point.

[mopinko]

76. it's about messaging rly, something we regularly trash here.

the debate doesnt shape itself. and polling/research companies absolutely are mining online forums.

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. If research companies really are watching a small forum with a bespoke interface

which I doubt, then I can't see how they move from "some DUers posted and reacted to a mainstream news story about Dr. Biden apologizes for clumsy wording" to "aha, now we know how to make Democrats lose".

Is it that you wish there had never been an apology, but you take seriously your "never say anything bad about a Democrat" rule, so you can't criticize the apology, but are criticizing the reporting of the apology, as a proxy? The "don't take the bait" message would make more sense, then, if really aimed at Democratic operatives.

[Brainfodder]

73. I am in that thread and am clearly not part of the problem, HUMBLE BRAG!

Falling for any part of the Republican BS machine, not happening!