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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:20 PM Jul 2022

Understanding The Webb Telescope Images

I still haven't seen the latest images, but I have looked at the one released yesterday. I was talking about it this morning with my wife, and it occurs to me that many people won't understand what to take from the images that show up today. So, here are some things to keep in mind:

1. The images are a view into the past, not a snapshot of the present. If you know how distant a feature your seeing is, in light years, you know how old the light you're looking at is. If a galaxy is 8 billion light years away, it means that the feature you're seeing is as it was 8 billion years ago. In many cases, it doesn't still even exist, nor it is now where it appears to be in the photo.

2. A light year is a measure of distance. One light year is roughly 6 trillion miles. For example, our solar system's sun is approximately 94 million miles from Earth. It takes just over 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach earth, so the sun you see is the sun as it was about 8 minutes and twenty seconds ago. It is 8 and a third light minutes away.

3. All of the features you see in the images are at different distances from here. Webb is capturing light from everywhere in the tiny little window of space it can see. So, each object or feature has to be identified and its distance measured before we know how old it is, which is also how far away it is, times 6 trillion, in miles.

4. We cannot travel to those places, and since the images are millions or billions of years old, those features are not where they appear to be now, assuming they exist at all now, which many of them do not.

5. Finally, what we're looking at is the history of the universe, not its present state. That is the most important fact to remember as you look at those images. We are seeing back in time, not at space as it is at the moment.

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aeromanKC

(3,324 posts)
1. Those aliens Webb captures aren't looking back at us
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jul 2022

They are looking at Jesus, dinosaurs and Pangaea. But no worries, those aliens are now dead.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. In some cases, they're looking at a place where their is
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jul 2022

no solar system at all. It does work both ways. We have no way to view the universe as it is right now, and we never will have a way.

Good point!

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. In addition to time and distance
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jul 2022

There are some incredible numbers involved.

What at first glance looks like individual stars are actually galaxies. So each little smear of light represents billions of stars.

The numbers are just incomprehensible for us humans to actually wrap our minds around.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Incomprehensible is a very apt description.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jul 2022

However, it is possible to think about all of this, but it's a stretch of the mind to do so.

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
4. I watched the NASA channel
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jul 2022

The new pictures today are just stunning. For a couple of days I just want to stare at them and how magical they are. Later on I’ll let NASA explain to me what they’re finding.

Pluvious

(4,313 posts)
7. There is a distance at which it's an opaque wall...
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jul 2022

That will be the time at which our Universe’s expansion was
in its early stage, too dense to see through

This short video clip is amazing

( But was frustrating as hell that she failed to peg the sharpness slider
back to the full 100% for the last half of the clip ! )


MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. Another good point.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 12:55 PM
Jul 2022

Webb's and our capabilities end at some point.

Much will remain unknown. Still, this is a marvelous tool for expanding our knowledge.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
11. Hubby didn't believe me when I told him they were looking for the beginning of time
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jul 2022

For him that was a minute ago. Sigh. Bless his heart!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. I get it. My wife rolled her eyes when I explained this.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jul 2022

She got it, but it's not something she cares about very much. Math isn't her strong suit.

Response to librechik (Reply #11)

Archae

(46,337 posts)
14. I said to a "young-Earth creationist..."
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:36 PM
Jul 2022

How do you account for the fact that we are looking at objects millions or billions of years in the past, since astronomical distances are so far?

He said "God put them there to test our faith."

I told the guy he was absolutely full of shit.

He stormed off, calling me an atheist.

I called him as he stormed off an asshole.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
17. Well, it contradicts their misunderstanding of everything.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:44 PM
Jul 2022

It confuses them, and that leads to cognitive dissonance, so they say stupid things in return. Those things make no sense at all, so they're right in line with their intellects.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
18. Oh yeah! The guys who "wrote the Bible..."
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jul 2022

They were so ignorant they didn't even know what caused lightning, earthquakes or volcanoes.

So it became "from the deity/deities."

Even Thomas Jefferson refused to believe rocks fell out of the sky.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
20. They are not easy concepts, actually.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 03:46 PM
Jul 2022

And there's even more confusing stuff at the next layer of explanation. And more beyond that, too.

I guess the main thing is that things are not as they appear. There's more to it than that.

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