****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 7, thread TWO****

[BumRushDaShow]

(THREAD 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216915776)


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January 6

[Ohio Joe]

1. Once again... They are not disappointing

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Raskin has gone through clips of various aides/appointees who participated in the screamout meeting

[Ocelot II]

5. Sydney Powell is even more awful and crazy than I'd suspected.

[Lars39]

7. 6 hours! omg

[nolabear]

3. As Stephanie Miller likes to say:

Fight! Fight! Fight! Big bag of rats!

[50 Shades Of Blue]

4. K & R!

[Marthe48]

6. Thank you for creating the threads

I missed a little, but catching up. The comments help a lot

[ancianita]

8. So we see "team normal" and "team batshit' wars culminating in Trump's decision to

go with what Eastman and Clarke later plan.

Cipollone "doesn't want to get into what the president said"?? doesn't sound like cooperation to me.

[Ohio Joe]

9. You know what is most fucked up about this meeting story?

You have two sides, each telling their side... And they match... The crazy checks out... Fucking insane

[SMC22307]

10. Sidney Powell is insane. (n/t)

[Scrivener7]

11. "You can appoing [Sydney Powell] to anything you want, but no one is going to listen to her."

"Was Sydney Powell seeking an appointment, or was she just saying she had been appointed to something?"

Cippolone: (paraphrase) Both.

[nolabear]

12. Where IS dear Sydney these days?

[ancianita]

13. Raskin: After tfg turns from both WH lawyer camps, he then tweets The Tweet to mobilize the mob.

[Scrivener7]

19. After ALL of that, he told his twitter mob that it was impossible that he lost.

Showing how all the "grassroots" efforts for the insurrection were actually carefully coordinated with tfg.

[ancianita]

20. So he chose team batshit that had already lost 60 times in the courts.

[livetohike]

14. At 1:20 am on Dec 19 Trump put out a tweet inviting

supporters to D.C. on Jan 6.

[NJCher]

15. I am loving the expressions on Jamie's face

"Can you believe these people? They are so effing nuts!"

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Alex Jones clip

[demtenjeep]

22. awww

bringing in the nut jobs now

[SergeStorms]

17. Didn't Liz Cheney say.....

that "Trump was a 76 year old man and not an impressionable child"?

Sure doesn't sound like it to me!

[ancianita]

26. Trumpcult want it both ways: that he's an adult who can president, AND that he didn't know

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how to make decisions and needs team batshit -- so now they be like "not his fault!"

[SergeStorms]

63. Trump never did say...

come to D.C.Jan.6 with weapons and be ready to kill Police Officers and members of Congress.

Since he didn't say those exact words, how can he be held responsible for any of this, right?

That's exactly what they'll say. He can't be held responsible for other people's actions.

These people are completely nucking futs, and they follow the Big Orange Pig like hungry little piglets. 🙄

[ancianita]

120. But he did. Hutchinson is an evidentiary witness who under oath claimed he said he didn't

that he said he didn't care that 'his people' had weapons, he wanted them allowed past the security machinery ALREADY knowing he'd "impromptu" have them all head to the Capitol with him.

"They" can't say he can't be held responsible. It's on record that he said those exact words. Twice.

He also said, "you've got to fight like hell." So he didn't care if Capitol police, congresspeople or Pence were killed. So the deaths of five are on his bloody hands.

[nolabear]

18. Navarro should never be allowed near the WH press room.

I guess that’s not true but he’s an agitator pretending to be press.

[NewHendoLib]

21. Wow, so many traitors appearing on my teevee.

How is Alex Jones NOT locked up with the key tossed???

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Playing all the RW talk show loons talking about kicking down barricdes and doors

[ancianita]

29. Might makes right is the president's message that cures their sickness of the "stolen election."

[nolabear]

33. Lunatics on parade. In other words, the base.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Some of them were pretty rough

Social media has unleashed a whole new crop violent extremists outside of regular broadcast radio.

[Delphinus]

84. This was the hardest

part for me. I don't listen to these things or 8Chan, and I am so overwhelmed. So close to tears.

[NJCher]

24. "red wedding " means

mass slaughter

[bdamomma]

116. he wanted his

VP killed. WTF.

[IcyPeas]

25. Salty Cracker

that's all.

[Scrivener7]

27. "It's going to be a red wedding." They went with the intention to slaughter.

[OneGrassRoot]

40. Who was saying "red wedding"?

Can’t watch. Trying to follow here lol

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

41. Seriously, red wedding was ridiculously violent

He’s definitely referencing the Game of Thrones scene, one of the most violent scenes I’ve ever seen on TV.

[nolabear]

28. Woohoo...those jacked up broadcasters!

They are going for the jugular in this hearing. Good!

[Scrivener7]

30. Who is this anonymous person testifying about tfg intentionally inciting violence via twitter?

Wonder why his identity is being shielded.

ETA: he's being identified as a former twitter employee. Saying it felt as if they were mobilizing intentionally for violence and to take up arms through twitter. It was clear that the leader of their cause was tfg asking them to attack D.C.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. Apparently a former employee of Twitter that did moderation duties

IIRC.

[Scrivener7]

37. Wow. This is damning.

[Bucky]

53. You know, of course, exactly why their identity is being shielded

TBH, I suspect the ex-employee is female, based on the timber of their voice

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Now playing a clip from a former Twitter employee discussing the "Stand back and stand by" tweet

(his voice was purposely distorted to provide anonymity)

[NewHendoLib]

32. trump equals stochastic terrorist

[nolabear]

34. EXACTLY.

[catbyte]

36. That thing IS a stochastic cum actual terrorist.

[crickets]

61. Most definitely. nt

[Johnny2X2X]

38. We need more

Oath Keepers and Proud Boys communicating directly with the White House on their plan to invade the US Capitol and stop the proceedings going on there.

This has been hinted at, but I am waiting for this to be made clear, that Trump and his band of crazies directed the atttack.

[Novara]

55. we do need more concrete connections

The suggestions and the nutjobs running with it isn't going to be enough to convict.

[ancianita]

39. It seems that Cipollone says that Trump came to the decision to mobilize on his own, right?

And so the RW media and militias took it and ran.

And Cipollone, after The Tweet, just seems to act as if there was nothing he could say or do.

[IcyPeas]

43. Day of the Rope?

did that person build the noose?

[Scrivener7]

44. Tweets replying to tfg's invitation: "White revolution is the only solution"

"Cops don't have standing if they are lying on the ground in a pool of their own blood."

Tell me again about blue lives mattering.

[regnaD kciN]

54. Blue lives only matter to them...

…when they’re snuffing out the black lives that don’t.

[Scrivener7]

45. "Bring handcuffs and wait near the tunnels." WHO told them about the tunnels???

[nolabear]

49. Very good question. Wasn't that MTG's thing?

[livetohike]

50. Good question. Which Congressperson?? n/t

[bdamomma]

117. I can't recall

there was a House Rep who noticed there was a tour of people taking pictures of stairways and tunnels, I can't recall who.

[RockRaven]

90. The existence of the tunnels isn't a secret. Far from it. I knew they existed and I'm no history

or architecture expert (knew prior to 2020-2021, I mean).

There is/was a website that documents them. It is/was run by a history/architect buff as a hobby. A tiny, noncommercial, low traffic website. The guy noticed a huge upswing in traffic prior to 1/6, and got suspicious, he tried to alert the FBI or Capitol Police...

Now, I merely know that tunnels exist, I couldn't tell anyone anything about them. But anyone who has ever worked in the Capitol -- which is probably tens of thousands of living people -- has personal experience with those tunnels sufficient to be useful to these criminals.

[nolabear]

46. God I hope any cultist with any brain cells left is watching this.

Hearing about it is one thing. Seeing the actual plotting and intent is chilling.

[RocRizzo55]

57. Cultist with brain cells is an oxymoron. n/t

[livetohike]

47. Showing comments from a web site included "sign

up at your local Proud Boys.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. ****10 MINUTE RECESS****

[ancianita]

52. At this point, I'm sorry to say, I'm just not finding it as powerful as previous hearings.

No offense to the Jan 6 Committee at all, but the connection between Trump and the mob isn't witnessed by Cipollone, from what I've heard and seen so far.

So how is Cipollone the glue. Guess we'll find out at the final hearing.

[Novara]

60. I agree. They need something concrete.

All this shit about suggesting and running with it isn't enough for convictions.

There better be more.

[ancianita]

72. So far, it looks like Cipollone's dep shows he just stood by, as the constitutional cop, and

let the criming unfold. He did nothing to stop Trump's mobilizing. To me, doing nothing amounts to aiding and abetting.

Cipollone doesn't get away with just handwringing at that point. He let stochastic planning to mobilize a mob go forward.

Later, he depended on Hutchinson and others to stop the president? Sorry. He's not off the hook.

Cipollone comes off as a passive aider and abettor of what he knew would be crimes. He SAID to Hutchinson that crimes were about to be committed. As the constitutional cop who failed to stop that, he cannot claim he was innocent.

[NewHendoLib]

64. Totally disagree.

The hour was absolutely gripping and horrifying

[ancianita]

76. And Cipollone did nothing to make Trump get a grip and stop the horror about to unfold.

[Delphinus]

101. It certainly

was for me.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. I don't think that Cipollone was considered any glue per se

just that since they have been trying to get him to testify for some time and they had already planned the subject for this hearing, they could actually now insert clips from him that were relevant to the topic. Otherwise they would have moved on to the rest of this subject.

The CSPAN host mentioned that they had planned another prime time hearing Thursday but have pulled that and will reschedule.

[ancianita]

80. They could. Such clips HAVE to exist that show Cipollone doing his due diligence re Jan 6.

So far, he just let it unfold. He failed. That's what I get so far.

[BumRushDaShow]

91. Remember he was operating in a circus environment

where you had "personalities" like Powell and Ghouliani who had the ear of the President and there was nothing anyone else claimed they could do. There was a whole segment of clips of people describing some late night meeting after the certification where all hell broke loose until early in the morning where people reported hearing the yelling and screaming thorough the walls.

[ancianita]

96. Regardless, the constitutional cop failed to stop the circus. He failed to do his DUE DILIGENCE.

[Upthevibe]

67. ancianita.....I couldn't disagree with you more.....

Seeing these LUNATICS calling for a red wedding isn't chilling enough?...Well, we all have our opinions. As they say, that's what makes the word go round.

[regnaD kciN]

81. It's chilling, all right...

…but Trumpists will claim there’s “no proof” that Trump intended for it to happen. You know, “it was just these crazies going off on their own.”

[ancianita]

93. What. What did Cipollone DO to stop any of this. So far his testimony is that he did NOTHING.

He's an evidentiary witness of actions and decisions he apparently did nothing to stop. I give him no credit for doing his job as the constitutional cop for The People.

He just didn't participate. But by DECIDING TO DO NOTHING, he passively aided and abetted.


You might want to believe he's the good guy. That's the media narrative so far. But so far I don't see it, and so I don't believe he's been the good guy at all

[IcyPeas]

51. seriously guiliani and alex jones and others

should not even have jobs. they should be in jail... and yet, still they continue every damn day to spread their lies.

[crickets]

56. Just joining in the last few minutes.

The gutter guy came by the house a day early, with predictable timing.

What a time to join in, hearing about 'day of the rope' and 'pools of blood.' Good lord, they really were planning on killing people and they really did have detailed knowledge of the Capitol layout, including the tunnels. Wow.

[Novara]

62. I want to see some concrete evidence regarding how they had that knowledge.

[crickets]

70. Same. From the little I've seen, and skimming the threads,

the dots are being clearly identified. What remains is to draw concrete lines between them.

[IcyPeas]

58. sydney powell

[C_U_L8R]

88. That was such a Napoleon Dynamite moment.

If Napoleon Dynamite was a seditious dumbass.

[Mersky]

118. LOL

glad you captured that

[Hermit-The-Prog]

59. On PBS, Judy Woodruff loves hearing herself ponderously pontificating in the recess.

At least she's no longer talking about clouds and shadows and emails.

[Novara]

65. THIS

Link to tweet

[Hortensis]

89. Right. He activated the "middle and outer circles" to advance his coup with violence.

[livetohike]

68. Michael Steele: I'm trying to find a drink. LOL n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

73. Thank you for that

since I have heard him referenced a million times but haven't seen him enough to recognize him.

I only know about the OTHER "Michael Steele".

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Witness being escorted in (not sure who this is)

[IcyPeas]

74. a proud boy I think

[BumRushDaShow]

77. HE is inked up! CSPAN camera did a close close close up of it

[IcyPeas]

95. where is the ink? I don't se it. he's wearing a longsleeve shirt?

[BumRushDaShow]

102. It was creeping out from under his long-sleeved shirt past the wrist and onto his hands!

[BumRushDaShow]

114. Found the closeup on the CSPAN3 feed and here is a snapshot

[IcyPeas]

115. oh thanks. what a mess.

[Arkansas Granny]

98. Most that I saw looked like bad, home made tats.

I can only imagine what's inked on his body.

[livetohike]

75. Is this the guy who said "Trump invited us there" n/t

[crickets]

79. Steven Ayres

https://democraticunderground.com/100216915049

Link to tweet

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly
If you’re going to have a Jan. 6 defendant testify, you want one who has pleaded guilty but hasn’t yet been sentenced. They can talk about what they did (relatively) freely, but they aren’t going to go off-script so to speak because the judge is going to hear what they say.

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly · 17h
A Capitol attack defendant who pleaded guilty last month — but who has not yet been sentenced — is set to testify before the Jan. 6 committee tomorrow.

Story with @kwelkernbc and @alivitali:

https://nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-defendant-expected-testify-panel-posted-trumps-will-wild-tweet-rcna37726
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[IcyPeas]

71. meanwhile the closed captioning still hasn't learned Pat Cipollone's name: Patsy Baloney

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Marthe48]

78. lol

Well, maybe he'll be a patsy for the baloney :/

[BumRushDaShow]

82. "Patsy Baloney" is DUzy worthy

At least my CC hasn't butchered the name like that!

[nolabear]

92. Oh there are memes. SO many memes. 🤣

[Arkansas Granny]

83. I told my sister about that. She'll never hear his name again without thinking of lunchmeat.

[progressoid]

94. Haaaaaa!

[Ilsa]

85. Joyce Vance talking about needing proof of an agreement between

TFG and the insurrectionists. Sure, it looks and walks like a duck, but the prosecutors have to draw that thick line from TFG to the crazies.

[ancianita]

99. He called, they answered. AND the ongoing tweets show their public agreement. That's the think line

[Novara]

111. it isn't enough

[IcyPeas]

86. Ivanka: I think it was my sentiment probably prior as well

Link to tweet

[nolabear]

87. I do believe they're about to become Oath Breakers.

Chickens meet roost.

[MLAA]

113. Chickens meet roaster

[Mersky]

97. So, the unhinged, screaming meeting ends around midnight, then less than 2 hours later on Dec 19

tRump tweets about a ‘wild’ Jan 6 at 1:42 am. Made up his mind to get that out there to the public after the crazy meeting, and then, groups immediately start changing plans and organizing around Jan. 6th.


Women for America First changed their permit from a protest after the inauguration to Jan 6th in an e-mail sent the morning of Dec. 19th.

Ali Alexander’s group registered ‘wild protest dot com’ the day after tRump’s tweet.

We saw the super cut of Alex Jones and the founder of thedonald.win, numerous violent online comments all coalesce their focus around Jan 6th per tRump’s tweet.

[woodsprite]

103. Ginni should definitely be made to testify since Women for America First is her group. nt

[Mersky]

109. Absofreakinlutely, she should testify

And Thomas, at a minimum, must recuse on any case involving tRump’s coup machinations.

[Novara]

112. private deposition

Otherwise she will turn it into a major clusterfuck.

[Mersky]

119. +1

No special process for her. Video deposition first.

[IcyPeas]

100. Jason Van Tatenhove - Oath Keeper

Link to tweet

[ancianita]

104. December 18, Trump MADE HIS OWN DECISION after both lawyer teams left.

[H2O Man]

105. Recommended.

It is outstanding.

[BumRushDaShow]

106. ****THREAD THREE IS UP****

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216916390

[ancianita]

107. The Trump train leaves the station on Dec 18. The trainwreck begins Dec 19.

All the train riders will bring out the threatening, operational planning and ugliness of it all.

[livetohike]

108. Photo of Flynn with an indicted Oathkeeper. n/t