The Ayres guy should be in prison !!

[Beachnutt]

Hell if I broke into convenience store I'd be locked up for years, He broke into the US Capitol..
He knew it was a crime and I'm sure somebody over the last few years told him and showed proof of what trump really is but he chose to follow the lies.
Screw him and his apologies !!

[LogicFirst]

2. A lady at work today asked, "What are those hearings all about?"

And she votes.

[Beachnutt]

9. You should supply her with a link to all of them,

I tried to get my trump loving sister to watch and she refused.

[hlthe2b]

3. He hasn't been sentenced yet...

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/latest-news/2022/07/champion-man-to-testify-tuesday-in-jan-6-congressional-hearings/

A former spokesman for the Oath Keepers militia group, Jason Van Tatenhove, will also be testifying Tuesday, the source said.

Ayres agreed to plead guilty to count three of his indictment, a misdemeanor convicting him with disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restrictive building or grounds.

The sentence, because Ayres did not carry a weapon or engage in violent behavior, carries a maximum sentence of one year in prison, a fine of not more than $100,000 and a term of supervised release of not more than one year, according to court documents.

The documents, however, noted that Ayres has no prior criminal convictions and his sentencing guideline range is between no time served to six months, with an estimated applicable fine of between $2,000 and $20,000. Ayres’ attorney has the right to ask the court to waive any fine.

[Nevilledog]

38. He blamed Antifa. Lock this fucker up.

Link to tweet

Tweet text:

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Useful context to Stephen Ayres: In the immediate aftermath of the riot, he was trying to blame antifa for it, even though he personally went there on Trump's orders.

He is being sentenced in September. https://justice.gov/opa/page/file/1360721/download…
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[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. That was then,

he seems to have a change of heart in the ensuing time between then and today.

[Nevilledog]

40. Yeah....no. Let him do 30 days as PUNISHMENT.

He needs consequences. Not only did he lie to law enforcement, he knowingly tried to implicate a group that is used by the MAGAts to justify violence.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

41. Agreed,

but that doesn't change the fact that his testimony today was pretty devastating.

[Nevilledog]

42. Make that 6 months

Link to tweet

[WheelWalker]

4. I believe he pleaded guilty and his sentencing date is pending.

[Beachnutt]

6. Good, I hope he gets some time in prison,

He saw the destruction and mayhem going on before he went in there he knew it was criminal.

[DURHAM D]

5. When he was asked if he still believed that the election was stolen didn't he say -

"Not so much".

Or was I hearing things?

Has he been sentenced? He is trying to get that reduced by giving this testimony. Does he really know that Trump lied?

I am just not sure.

[Beachnutt]

7. He sure did

It was like he believes it still may have been.

[DURHAM D]

15. Exactly nt

[EndlessWire]

26. He was unconvincing.

He didn't listen to his lawyer! This testimony was part of his leniency deal, and his luke warm agreement was not what they wanted to hear!

He strikes me as being really ignorant. Maybe he didn't even understand the completeness of the question. You can practically see the wheels turning in his head, as he gives a noncommittal answer to a fundamental question. He might as well have said, "I believe that the election was stolen." He doesn't have the verbal skills needed to walk that fine line between agreement and denial. Maybe he counts on being able to join that group again as a made man when he gets out of prison in time for 2024.

[Sky Jewels]

36. He was probably thinking:

I can't let my Nazi Bros think I'm a cucked pussy and helping the libs!

[Jirel]

8. He will be.

He was that witness caught at the perfect moment - between conviction and before sentencing. All his testimony is already on the record, so perjuring himself before the committee would be the stupidest thing he could do. Plus he's super motivated to cooperate, hoping he'll get a lighter sentence.

[Scrivener7]

10. I agree. I am not as impressed with either witness as others are. The other guy joined the Oath

Keepers because he thought Bundy's standoff was so keen.

And Ayers's answer when asked if he believed tfg's election lie was, "Not as much." So, a little I guess.

[Beachnutt]

12. After sitting there and watching all that proof

he says "Not so much"

[Scrivener7]

14. Yep.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. I Don't Agree

You're sacrifice good over the perfect.
"Not so much" is a commonly used phrase to express a negative.
It's often used to suggest a change in attitude. (I used to like Journey, but now, not so much.)
I'm not at all taking his response as ambivalence. To me, he's admitting he believed a lie & now doesn't.
Here's another example:

idiom informal. used to refer back to something that has been mentioned, saying that it is less true for someone or something else : If you like it, fine, but for me, not so much. I'm ready to start eating more healthily

[Beachnutt]

23. I usually just say No or Yes

but thats just me...

[ProfessorGAC]

27. OK By Me

But, you & i both know that it's common parlance & it appears you're wasting energy on interpreting an answer that is easier taken as a "no".

[EndlessWire]

37. Easier taken as a "No?"

"Not so much" just means LESS. It is not an unequivocal "No," and YOU know this. You just want to win.

[Hekate]

11. This restimony could be part of a plea deal?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. I'm just amazed at how many here don't believe in redemption.

I watched the whole hearing and I was struck at how remorseful they were and the valuable info they imparted to the J6 committee.

You and others may feel indifference to their remorse, I, OTOH, choose to give them the benefit of the doubt because of what I witnessed on TV today.

Think about this, because of their testimony today, they are enemies to the right now and their lives and their families lives will be in danger.

[Scrivener7]

17. Trusting republiQans is not my strong suit. YMMV.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. I'll ask you again to quit putting your words in my mouth, I've no idea where they've been.

I never said ANYTHING about trusting repukes, go back and reread what I wrote.

[Scrivener7]

24. I didn't put any words in your mouth. Maybe you should go back and reread.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. Yeah, you did.

And this isn't the first time you've done this.

Point out where I said anything about trusting repukes.

[Scrivener7]

29. Point out where I said that you said anything about trusting republiQans.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. You implied it.

You can deny it all you want, I just don't give a damn.

[Scrivener7]

32. I didn't imply anything. I said why I am not impressed with the guy. You read into it what

you read into it.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Uh huh. nt

[Scrivener7]

35. Uh huh.

[Hortensis]

22. As you say. The ceiling fell in on this one. Glad it didn't destroy his marriage,

but we don't know who else it'll have cost them.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. +100.

His, and his family's lives are forever changed, he realizes this, accepts his responsibility in his actions at the Capitol that day.

A Federal conviction, even a Federal misdemeanor conviction, is a big deal on your record.

[EndlessWire]

31. Hi, MCE!

Can it be called real remorse when you agree to testimony as part of a sentencing agreement? At least the one guy had the decency to apologize to the cop whose life he helped ruin. Maybe that shows remorse.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. Hey there EndlessWire.

Was it part of his sentencing agreement? Haven't seen anything about that.

What struck me was how they were both remorseful at how they were duped into believing the RQW bullshit, and how Mr. Ayers personally apologized to the officers there at the hearing.

[Hortensis]

16. Well, he was prosecuted etc. Plenty of others out there still to tend to.

Fwiw, I thought his appearance made him a good example of the many who make easy (stupid) fodder for the manipulations of authoritarian leaders.

Mr. Ayres speaks of belatedly "researching," but I'm guessing he was already mostly shocked into reality by learning that "just following orders" had made him a criminal investigated by the FBI and prosecuted by the DoJ.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. +100. nt