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AverageOldGuy

(1,530 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 05:55 PM Jul 2022

Speechless.

5:49 PM Eastern time. CNN just showed an outtake from the 77 minute video of the Uvalda cops and a bunch of other fucking cowards standing around in the school hallway with their thumbs up their asses while children were murdered.

Every damn one of them had on kevlar vests and was armed with their own AR AND THEY JUST WANDERED AROUND WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASSES. ONE OF THEM PLAYING WITH HIS PHONE

Where is their command authority? Where are the sergeants taking command?

GODDAMMIT I'm an old soldier with two tours in Vietnam in the bush where it seems like I was in a gunfight every day. My son lost an arm in Iraq. Both of us RAN INTO THE FIRE . . . charged toward people shooting at us. And these lardassed muthahfukahs just milled around.

Sorry. I'm outta here before I get banned.

The shooter should have been dead in under five minutes.

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Speechless. (Original Post) AverageOldGuy Jul 2022 OP
I agree with you JuJuChen Jul 2022 #1
I can't even look at it. I know I would feel the same horror you are expressing. Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #2
I just Rebl2 Jul 2022 #29
Same Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #46
I don't know if this is possible, but grumpyduck Jul 2022 #3
+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #7
THIS! THIS! THIS! OMGWTF Jul 2022 #20
They should all be fired immediately. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #44
Not one of them took it upon themselves to do the right thing. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2022 #4
But I guess they wanted to suit up and look big 'n' badass to impress their friends or something calimary Jul 2022 #23
This guy did take time to sanitize his hands and check his phone Nevilledog Jul 2022 #35
Yup. Probably yawned too. Disgusting! LuckyLib Jul 2022 #43
Yeah. I noticed that, too. calimary Jul 2022 #47
Lady MacBeth moment Withywindle Jul 2022 #70
Have the feds taken over this investigation? spanone Jul 2022 #5
The Sherriff was IN the school underpants Jul 2022 #6
That's the thing... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #8
Yep. As I've posted before underpants Jul 2022 #9
Some can do that... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #10
And that is the problem with humans. Some people just don't feel remorse. They are the problem. JanMichael Jul 2022 #17
this has haunted me since the massacre. barbtries Jul 2022 #22
No conscience. niyad Jul 2022 #41
The real tragedy we all face would be those who look in the mirror only calimary Jul 2022 #25
Agreed underpants Jul 2022 #30
Dock their pay for the cost of worthless training? keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #11
You're Assuming RobinA Jul 2022 #61
AverageOldGuy ......... Upthevibe Jul 2022 #12
THIS! BigOleDummy Jul 2022 #65
Right On marieo1 Jul 2022 #13
Spot on. Feel the same way. Thanks Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #14
Your anger is righteous. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #15
First off, I 100 percent agree with you beyond a shadow of a doubt. Curtis Jul 2022 #16
I don't know what I would do under these circumstances, only what I hope I would do. TomSlick Jul 2022 #18
All of those useless, cowardly posers in that video should be fired...at a minimum. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #19
why doesnt every room have a security camera? samnsara Jul 2022 #21
I was too young and number was too high for the draft. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #24
One of the first stories we heard was that a cop went in and saved his own kids FakeNoose Jul 2022 #26
End qualified immunity Orrex Jul 2022 #27
fucking asshole cops gopiscrap Jul 2022 #28
that's stereotyping Skittles Jul 2022 #32
A few cops do their jobs every day quakerboy Jul 2022 #71
I disagree Skittles Jul 2022 #73
it boggles the mind Skittles Jul 2022 #31
Nauseating cilla4progress Jul 2022 #33
totally with ya bud ! cloudboy07 Jul 2022 #34
Daily mail headline "Cowardly Uvalde police RESTRAIN officer father whose daughter was one of 21 ... Demovictory9 Jul 2022 #36
Yes, someone needs to be accountable. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #37
One cop does a little double squirt of hand sanitizer. joshcryer Jul 2022 #38
No it won't inthewind21 Jul 2022 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Jul 2022 #58
I was so mad when I saw this locks Jul 2022 #39
The LEO in this video need to be identified. SYFROYH Jul 2022 #40
May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Jul 2022 #42
So mote it be. (nt) Withywindle Jul 2022 #72
On the bright side, billionaires are facing a certain future. czarjak Jul 2022 #45
How many "Good Guys With Guns" does it take to enable a massacre? Zambero Jul 2022 #48
I won't vote to ban you. Let it rip. yardwork Jul 2022 #49
That one playing on his phone with the "Punisher" wallpaper RevBrotherThomas Jul 2022 #50
The cops have become an occupying army. They have given up their local police role Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #51
Disgraceful performance by Uvalde law enforcement. Paladin Jul 2022 #52
Watching one of them sanitizing his hands did my blood pressure in UpInArms Jul 2022 #53
Horrifying. They just didn't give a shit if those kids and teachers PCIntern Jul 2022 #54
I'm surprised the police department is still standing . Srkdqltr Jul 2022 #55
Why inthewind21 Jul 2022 #59
I guess we can stop calling them "first responders" after this. sop Jul 2022 #56
I wonder inthewind21 Jul 2022 #60
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #62
you won't llashram Jul 2022 #63
Were the children screaming the whole time or silent? Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #64
We've had photos of the children. How about photos of the officers involved? Sneederbunk Jul 2022 #66
that is one righteous rant. I completely agree with you! nt Javaman Jul 2022 #67
It was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen. Just unreal. fucking cowards. LymphocyteLover Jul 2022 #68
Totally Agree YavapaiBlue Jul 2022 #69
Welcome to DU shanti Jul 2022 #74

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
29. I just
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:17 PM
Jul 2022

saw a short snippet of it. Saw three officers run towards the room then turn and run away. Sickening to say the least.

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
44. They should all be fired immediately.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 12:13 AM
Jul 2022

I'm afraid getting all of them charged with accessory to murder may be too high a bar. But at the very least, they all deserve to be fired and none of them should EVER be allowed to wear a badge again.

Fuck them all SO hard, especially that Arredondo creep. As the one who was supposed to be in charge *gag retch* he's definitely the worst.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
4. Not one of them took it upon themselves to do the right thing.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jul 2022

Cowards one and all. There is no explanation other than they are cowards.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
23. But I guess they wanted to suit up and look big 'n' badass to impress their friends or something
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:02 PM
Jul 2022

So what do you join the police force for, then? To strut around with a legitimate excuse to be heavily-armed and intimidating and all that rough-tough-macho shit? Like you're in a militia fashion show or something?

Is this some costume movie project or something, and you're the extras?

I'd assume anyone who goes into policing would HAVE TO be aware they're riding with death in the back seat every time they get into their patrol cars. It's an occupational hazard, and the risks are VERY much there and VERY public. And they're no secret. You go into policing, knowing that. You train with that in the back of your mind at all times. You're like the fire department - YOU run TOWARD the danger, voluntarily. You don't go into that line of work to operate the merry-go-round at the county fair or stock shelves at the local quickie-mart. You bet your life every day you show up for that kind of work and it ISN'T a secret. And it's not KEPT a secret.

Like a soldier faces, every day, and understands VERY well what he/she is up against.

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
35. This guy did take time to sanitize his hands and check his phone
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:56 PM
Jul 2022


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underpants

(182,830 posts)
6. The Sherriff was IN the school
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:15 PM
Jul 2022

One of the 19 or so I’ve heard.

Two tours? Sheesh man.
I was a Cav Scout for 3 years early 90’s. No action.

I’ve never been in the situation they were but at this point how could they not train for this? I mean you have to run through it in your head. Right? You have to be prepared.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
8. That's the thing...
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jul 2022

Early reports showed they had trained for this recently and spent a lot of money on preparedness, or so it was reported.

So, dereliction of duty and accessory to the crime sounds about right.

underpants

(182,830 posts)
9. Yep. As I've posted before
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jul 2022

They still have to look at the man in the mirror…everyday….for the rest of their lives.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
25. The real tragedy we all face would be those who look in the mirror only
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:05 PM
Jul 2022

to check how they look. No conscience needed.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
11. Dock their pay for the cost of worthless training?
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:37 PM
Jul 2022

Dock their pay for the cost of worthless training?

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
61. You're Assuming
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jul 2022

that they weren't doing what they were trained to do. My bet is they were trained to wait for orders. The higher ups were debating who was in charge and completely lost sight of the problem at hand. The logical outcome of our current gotcha mindset.

I work in mental health. Since I have gotten into this field 20 years ago, it has become increasingly more advantageous to do only what one is told to do when one is told to do it. Best way to get into trouble is to take matters into your own hands. Even if it's the 'right" thing to do.

Upthevibe

(8,053 posts)
12. AverageOldGuy .........
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:19 PM
Jul 2022

I feel your post is COMPLETELY appropriate and you channel the anger and disgust many of us feel.

My heart goes out to you for your tour in Viet Nam and to your son who lost his arm in Iraq.

The absolute lie and myth of the tough Texans (ooooowwww Don't mess with Texas.... has been exposed. And, there goes "The good guy with a gun" bullsh**......

Curtis

(348 posts)
16. First off, I 100 percent agree with you beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:25 PM
Jul 2022

Also, I just wanted to point out that Kevlar does nothing to stop a rifle round. It take ceramic armor plates to do that


However, as a former law enforcement officer, I agree 100 percent that any one of those cops should have stepped up and taken the risk. When i signed on, I knew the risk. I knew I could get seriously injured or killed. I knew it was my job to run TOWARD the gunfire to stop it. I knew I would lay my life on the line to save another. That's why I did that work. That's why I went into fire fighting afterward. It's a public service job where WE are required to step up and put our lives on the line or lay down our own life to save that of an innocent. It sickens me when cowards like this wear a badge

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
18. I don't know what I would do under these circumstances, only what I hope I would do.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:35 PM
Jul 2022

I do know that if I had failed to attack the shooter, I would immediately resign as a police officer.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
19. All of those useless, cowardly posers in that video should be fired...at a minimum.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:36 PM
Jul 2022

How are they still on the taxpayers' payroll?


jaxexpat

(6,837 posts)
24. I was too young and number was too high for the draft.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:04 PM
Jul 2022

I know 2 people who were warriors in the "nam". One of them described the technique as you said. To charge into the enemy and be confident they'll scatter. The other said he always volunteered to clean out the underground VC hiding/storage places. Said it was always cooler but hated the centipedes. In any case the cops in Uvalde failed to do the right thing. My experience is that Texans are quite proud of their football teams.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
26. One of the first stories we heard was that a cop went in and saved his own kids
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jul 2022

I haven't seen anything recently that confirms that early story. The story was that one of the cops knew his kids were in danger, so he went in and got them out of another classroom. Left everybody else behind.

These guys need to answer for dereliction of duty, if nothing else.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
27. End qualified immunity
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:13 PM
Jul 2022

If they don't put themselves in harm's way, then they deserve no special accommodation for their incompetence or their criminal behavior.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
71. A few cops do their jobs every day
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 04:26 PM
Jul 2022

Out of how many hundred thousand across the nation, a few each day do the job they are trained and paid to do, and do it well. Many, arguably most, do not.

I'd be willing to bet that the numbers of "heroic" persons among the police are equalled by those in virtually any other profession, and exceeded by most..

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
31. it boggles the mind
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jul 2022

they didn't even act like humans, who the fuck stands around while CHILDREN are being harmed

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
36. Daily mail headline "Cowardly Uvalde police RESTRAIN officer father whose daughter was one of 21 ...
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jul 2022
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11007401/Leaked-Uvalde-shooting-video-shows-gunman-calmly-walk-elementary-school-fire-young-boy.html


Cowardly Uvalde police RESTRAIN officer father whose daughter was one of 21 slaughtered in school massacre as cop uses hand sanitizer in front of him and 17 run away, leaked video reveals

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
38. One cop does a little double squirt of hand sanitizer.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jul 2022

This lawsuit will bankrupt this town. And rightly so.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
57. No it won't
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 11:32 AM
Jul 2022

It's in Texas. The land of tort reform run amok. And then there's that qualified immunity thing.

Response to joshcryer (Reply #38)

locks

(2,012 posts)
39. I was so mad when I saw this
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:00 PM
Jul 2022

but overwhelmed when I saw that precious boy running into the aisle. He could have been my son, my grandsons or one of my ten great grandchildren. We must do everything we can do for the families of those children who died and for those who survived. The first thing must be: get rid of guns. The only reason guns are manufactured is to kill and make money. Tell the right-to-lifers to save born children.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
40. The LEO in this video need to be identified.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:11 PM
Jul 2022

The public should know their names and other agencies should know who they are to avoid hiring them.

Farmer-Rick

(10,187 posts)
51. The cops have become an occupying army. They have given up their local police role
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 09:47 AM
Jul 2022

What would an occupying army do if they heard a school was under attack? Not much.

They are trying to pretend they are a police force but they really are not. They are in our society to ensure the filthy rich's wants and needs are addressed and to protect the elite's property. Children being massacred is not their real concern. I suspect they finally went in to kill the shooter, after over 70 minutes had passed, just for show.

They are not here to serve and protect Americans like they pretend.

Capitalism at it's best....er worst.

Paladin

(28,265 posts)
52. Disgraceful performance by Uvalde law enforcement.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:19 AM
Jul 2022

None of them should have cop jobs at this point. And I hope law enforcement entities from coast to coast learn from the Uvalde chickenshits' pathetic example. Risking your lives is part of the job, assholes.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
53. Watching one of them sanitizing his hands did my blood pressure in
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jul 2022

Nothing will ever clean the blood of those children off any of their black hearts

PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
54. Horrifying. They just didn't give a shit if those kids and teachers
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jul 2022

lived or died. Only a racist hater would allow this or acquiesce.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
59. Why
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 11:36 AM
Jul 2022

Would you be surprised? The police are a protected entity. That's should be obvious to everyone by now.

sop

(10,202 posts)
56. I guess we can stop calling them "first responders" after this.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 11:32 AM
Jul 2022

I suggest non-responders or too-scared-to-do-shit-reponders.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
63. you won't
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jul 2022

be banned for the truth by me...glad you and your son made it...back from thankless wars. I could go on and on about proxy wars about dominos falling and wars engaged because of lies. The lives lost...both civilian and military lost because of these two engagements are tragic to me.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
64. Were the children screaming the whole time or silent?
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jul 2022

I cannot watch the tape or yes I would be banned too.

LymphocyteLover

(5,644 posts)
68. It was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen. Just unreal. fucking cowards.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jul 2022

Thank you for your service and your son's service.

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