Fuck them all.

[kpete]

The Rude Pundit
Why didn't any of these people resign? Why didn't Cipollone? Because they believed in everything up until shit went south. Now they're trying to save their shredded reputations.

Link to tweet

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[grumpyduck]

1. They believed they could get away with it.

I concur: fuck them all.

[2naSalit]

2. +1

[evolves]

4. Why WOULDN'T they believe that?

They've been getting away with it for over 50 years.

For crissakes, Prescott Bush colluded with the Nazis against FDR, and *mysteriously* both his son and grandson became president.
Coincidence??? I think not.

[OMGWTF]

27. THIS! THIS! THIS!

Then GHWB's Iran Contra scandal, then GWB's stolen elections and BS wars that made Cheney The Dick $39.5B, and now this orange POS who nearly destroyed our country. The last honest Republican president was Ike. REPUBLICANS ARE OUR WORST ENEMY!

[MyOwnPeace]

40. 'REPUBLICANS ARE OUR WORST ENEMY!'

We need to believe that - we need to preach that - we need to take that to the polls in November!

[robbob]

43. ReThugs are great at grabbing the narrative, though

Most RW’ers believes “Democrats” are the biggest threat to America, with their “woke agenda” and “socialist” policies. You can be sure that when the GOP accuse us of something it is because they are already guilty of it. And that includes being enemies of democracy and America.

[evolves]

41. Amen!

Also, great handle!

[dalton99a]

5. +1

[onecaliberal]

10. This is the truth.

[Missn-Hitch]

49. And they are gearing up for the next coup. They think we are weak.

My powder is dry for when the time comes.

In the meantime, enjoy life.

[spanone]

3. I agree entirely....Thank you, Rude One.

[underpants]

6. Because they thought they needed to control him

while still being an ego feeding echo chamber.

[emulatorloo]

8. They thought they could reason with him. Poor judgement. I am glad they are testifying

I doubt being berated and shat on Flynn, Clark, Powell, Guilliani was a fun “ego feeding” experience.

[underpants]

13. He was the epicenter of power. I should have asked "Why were they there in the first place?"

The Clustertrump had a hard time filling lower staff jobs that usually have a flood of applicants. Both parties. Young people, real super achievers, stop their life and often take way less pay to get that on their resume.

I hadn’t heard this until after the election. The Biden team knew they had to make up for lost time and planned for it.

[emulatorloo]

7. Cipollone and his team "believed" in overturing the election? They fought Flynn, Eastman, Powell,

Clark and “you’re a pussy” Guiliani.

I understand the sentiment expressed by the Rude Pundit but at this point it is a dumb cliche and counterproductive to the investigation.

I am glad they are testifying to the committee. Where would the committee be without their testimony?

[Voltaire2]

12. They continued to aid and abet the attempted coup

until it finally failed. They are testifying to save their asses.

[emulatorloo]

14. Please cite specifically how they 'aided' and 'abetted' the coup when they all pushed back hard on

It all at the time? They told those thugs Trump lost the election, their lies bullshit and the plan to have Pence not certify was illegal.

I’m not a fan of these people but to claim they were ‘secretly cheering on’ Powell Flynn Eastman Clark etc is patently absurd.

[claudette]

22. If we fail to

give credit to those who at least tried at the most crucial time to stop a mad man from destroying our government, we seem to have lost all sense of fairness. These GOP witnesses are helping to bring the truth to the American people, and I think we should at least be grateful for that - no matter how they got in front of the committee.

[MyOwnPeace]

42. Any one of these that were 'pushing back'.......

could have called ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. and met them outside of the gates of the White House. Sure, MANY would not have actually believed them, but it surely would have changed what was being planned by the Junta, or at least alerting more Americans of what was actually going on inside the White House.

Billy Barr 'deserves' credit because he could not/would not continue with the "Big Lie?" BULLSHIT!
HE is the one that COULD HAVE made the Mueller Report into what it should have been - a revealing document of the wrongful and illegal activities of the tRump Mis-administration. But NO - he glossed over it with his own 10-page 'review' that he claimed proved 'nothing.'

Where was the Secretary of State Pompeo, who should have defended his staff when a life-long career servant, Marie Yovanovitch, testified against tRump in the Ukraine scandal?

Where was the Secretary of Defense Esper when Alexander Vindman, a career military officer denied promotion because he testified against tRump in that same hearing?

You have ONE chance to do your job right. If you take actions that 'aid' and 'abet' an administration that is hell-bent on breaking laws, even if you TOOK NO ACTION (kept quiet - 'looked the other way'), YOU SHOULD PAY THE PENALTY! You do NOT get credit for 'trying to be nice' later.

This is not a 'Country Club Board' running a social membership group - this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - a country that should model JUSTICE and EQUALITY for ALL, not just the 'In-group!'

[Cassidy]

44. Agreed! A decent person would have come forward as soon as they heard - before it happened.

Cipollone only testified because he knew the jig was up when Hutchinson testified.

Cipollone says Pence deserves the Presidential Medal of Honor because he stood up to Trump on the 6th? He stood up to Trump one day out of 365 x 4. That is getting it right 0.07 % of the time.

Also, why did Pence ask so many lawyers whether he could overturn the election? Obviously, Pence was still trying to find a way to please his Master.

They are only singing now and they are only sorry because they got caught.

[MyOwnPeace]

46. Exactly!

And by the way - LOVED your 'testimony!' (that WAS you, right? )

[claudette]

19. Not all of them

Look how many have already testified how they actually prevented a worse disaster.

[relayerbob]

9. Yep. They aren't heroes, they are only trying to cover their own asses.

And some would go right back to him.

[Voltaire2]

11. Yup. Every last one of them would have eagerly served

in the dictators administration.

[Chainfire]

15. They had to believe that Trump might actually pull of a successful coup.

They wanted to be part of the new ruling elite. If it failed they could claim that they were not really a part of it.

It was said that Caligula once handed down a criminal sentence that demanded that the criminal and everyone the crimina knew be executed. Oh, where is Caligula when you need him?

[emulatorloo]

16. Q level conspiracy you got going on there. "They secretly wanted the coup, so that's why they

fought against it!!”

[Chainfire]

20. I don't know where that came from.

People that surrounded Trump did nothing before, during or after the Jan. 6 revolt, to prevent, stop, or mitigate the damages to the country. They knew the goal was to overthrow the free and fair election, yet they stayed onboard until it blew up in their faces, and some are still onboard today. Of course, today, many of the conspirators were against it all along...prisons are full of people with that story.

[emulatorloo]

23. It came from your lack of logic and baseless speculation . Additionally you are letting Flynn et al

off the hook by illogically blaming those who told Flynn et al they were full of bullshit.

You have zero facts to back up your claim that Cipollone had a “secret plan”. It is a baseless conspiracy theory, sorry.

[Chainfire]

24. I agree that one of us has an issue with logic.

[emulatorloo]

25. Where are your citations and facts to back up your outlandish theory? You dont have any.

‘[Cipollone] wanted to be part of the new ruling elite. If it failed they could claim that they were not really a part of it. ‘

You have nothing to back that illogical nonsense up, sorry.

Therefore zero facts, no logic, just a baseless but conspiracy theory.

[Chainfire]

26. 3/4 of everything on this forum is speculation, not fact; Open discussion among adults, the free

exchange of ideas. I don't know what got your drawers in such a wad, but it is beginning to feel like a personal attack. So, please have the last word in this conversation, cause I am done with 'ya....

[emulatorloo]

31. Happily DU is predominantly fact based. See "Trump 'watched for several hours as the White House"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216918046

Trump 'watched for several hours as the White House lawyers destroyed' his baseless claims

Jan. 6 committee

The House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the United States Capitol on Tuesday presented evidence that former President Donald Trump knew that he legitimately lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.

The main focus of the hearing came from testimony provided by former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, and Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed that it was clear White House lawyers, known as "team normal," worked for hours to systematically debunk Trump's conspiracy theories about the 2020 election.

"For all of its absurdity, the Dec. 18 meeting was critically important because president trump got to watch up close for several hours as his White House counsel and other White House lawyers destroyed the baseless factual claims and ridiculous legal arguments being offered by Sydney Powell, Mike Flynn and others," said Raskin.

"President Trump now knew all of these claims were nonsense. Not just from his able White House lawyers but also from his own Department of Justice officials and indeed his own campaign officials as White House counsel Pat Cipollone told us."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-watched-for-several-hours-as-the-white-house-lawyers-destroyed-his-baseless-claims-jan-6-committee/ar-AAZv2Ja

Have a nice night. Of course it wasn’t ‘personal.’

[Maeve]

17. The best witnesses in a major criminal case are seldom good guys

They just aren't THAT bad. Yeah, they are weasels. Yeah, they will never be heroes. But they drew a line at last and should be given that much credit. (Itty bitty credit!) If not for Pence, it could have been a shite ton worse. If not for Cipollone the orange fool might have done more.

That said, I still love the Rude One.

[emulatorloo]

21. Well said.

[claudette]

18. Cipollone was not

Dump's personal lawyer. He was the WH lawyer and it's a good thing he didn't resign before January 6 and was there to at least try to talk some sense into the out-of-control pResident and stop a complete disaster.

[Evolve Dammit]

29. welcome!

[claudette]

39. Thank you!!

Glad to be here

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Totally agree. They would have been totally fine with dicktator Drumpf. Cowards and traitors all. nt

[ancianita]

30. When it's all said and done, I don't see how either Cheney or Kinzinger can stand to stay Republican

That alone tells me all I need to know about why, no matter how they stand now, Democrats on their worst day are always better than Republicans on their best day.

[PatrickforB]

33. Well, Cheney's politics are still odious. No doubt. She's a chip off the old Dick Cheney block.

She has chosen to stand tall on the right side of Trumpy's insurrection and attempted overthrow of the government. But she still came out in favor of what the Supreme Court recently ruled, overturning Roe.

While what she's doing now is laudable, she is still someone we DO NOT WANT TO SEE in the presidency, and I'm thinking she'll have lots of big money backing in two years.

[PatrickforB]

32. Indeed, but whatever the motives, we are learning the

horrible truth about 'the Donald' (as if we didn't already KNOW!). And, gratifyingly, the Jan 6 committee is really going after him. Loved the Cheney bombshell about how he tried witness tampering there at the end.

I HOPE WITH ALL MY HEART that Trump is indicted, tried and found guilty.

This loser has ruined the lives of COUNTLESS PEOPLE. He needs to spend the rest of his pacing in a fucking 6X6 jail cell.

[ultralite001]

34. Ban them from government service...

forever...

Every last one of them...

That is all...

[ShepKat]

35. I think

maybe they would be replaced by brown nosed trump lovers and that would be worse

[Wounded Bear]

36. Fuck them all but nine...

6 for pallbearers
2 for roadguards
and one to count cadence

An old military saying I first encountered reading The Thin Red Line by James Jones IIRC.

[Baked Potato]

38. Don't forget the road guards yes!

[Baked Potato]

37. Full fucking agree!

[BlueIdaho]

45. These deathbed conversions are BS.

I’m not even giving these traitors participation points.

[YoshidaYui]

47. agree

Fuck them all, JUSTICE DEPT, DO YOUR THING!!!

[Hortensis]

48. Most who would resign refused to join in the first place.

With the exception of some applicants for critical positions like SecState and Defense, the tRump admin was a self administered test for poor character and judgement. At best. Events showed a strong preference for bad character and no independent judgement.