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riversedge

(70,245 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 06:53 PM Jul 2022

The Jan. 6 Committee names Republican members of Congress who were plotting with Trump on Dec. 21:

If there was any decency, the leaders --#KevinMcCarthy and Mitch should demand they resign immediately!



@kylegriffin1
The Jan. 6 Committee names Republican members of Congress who were plotting with Trump on Dec. 21:

Brian Babin, Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, Andy Harris, Jody Hice, Jim Jordan, and Scott Perry. Marjorie Taylor Greene (not yet in Congress) was also there.


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The Jan. 6 Committee names Republican members of Congress who were plotting with Trump on Dec. 21: (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2022 OP
Throw the bums out Jaydog Jul 2022 #1
Good. kacekwl Jul 2022 #2
Lock them up! burrowowl Jul 2022 #3
Two of the Oath Keepers charged with conspiracy, A Brand New World Jul 2022 #4
14th Amendment, no office holding in the U.S.A. Bluethroughu Jul 2022 #5
+1 ancianita Jul 2022 #15
Can we ever expect it to be applied to these scum? BSdetect Jul 2022 #20
I think this only requires a majority vote to remove them, ... aggiesal Jul 2022 #34
I suspect they will do that anyway. n/t Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #48
I'm surprised Ron Johnson wasn't in there Poiuyt Jul 2022 #6
Nor Josh Hawley. Mme. Defarge Jul 2022 #7
Hawley is a Senator PJMcK Jul 2022 #10
Senators are members of Congress. thesquanderer Jul 2022 #12
Thanks but I obviously knew that PJMcK Jul 2022 #13
This had nothing to do with jurisdiction. This was about who was at the Dec 21 meeting. n/t thesquanderer Jul 2022 #47
But there is a reason there were no Senators at that meeting... thesquanderer Jul 2022 #53
I know what you mean. BigmanPigman Jul 2022 #18
Originally, Pelosi and Schumer wanted a bicameral committee BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #24
I didn't know that. BigmanPigman Jul 2022 #26
I remember the months that they were going through BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #29
No Barry LOUDERMILK? Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #8
Someone must have been in charge of the Senators tikka Jul 2022 #9
Barry Loudermilk is a Congressman PJMcK Jul 2022 #11
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #14
So they're officially co-conspirators, and the rest, after indictments go down, can be charged ancianita Jul 2022 #16
So what happens now? Can all these sitting congresspersons be charged?? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #21
What happens now is patience. We have to wait for principals to be indicted before the others are. ancianita Jul 2022 #30
Thanks! What we have seen so far from the Committee has been extremely impressive Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #32
No prob! ancianita Jul 2022 #36
We have to do something, this has gotten completely out of control Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #39
I think we can breathe easy now. Let go of what we can't control. The Jan 6 Committee and DOJ ancianita Jul 2022 #40
There is a tendency to get discouraged since we've gotten our hopes up before (Mueller Report) Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #41
Very true. But then his AG was corrupt, and he had his letter of the law orders: he was not ancianita Jul 2022 #42
Awww, well said - and reassuring Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #43
Well, who knows who I'm trying to reassure here. ancianita Jul 2022 #44
Florida's quite beautiful, we often spent holidays with my grandmother there when I was a kid Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #46
Yeah, in its scruffy way. The whole country is beautiful; it's just the people that ancianita Jul 2022 #49
I'm not near The City, in the Northeast, closer to Vermont and Canada, southern Adirondacks Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #50
Nice! ancianita Jul 2022 #51
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I thought she was removed from all committees. So of what use is she? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2022 #23
At one point no one wanted to go near her. She refused to wear a mask so they put her in an Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #27
What use are ANY of them. They don't do anything, either, but blow smoke in every committee that ancianita Jul 2022 #31
Next question about that meeting Generic Brad Jul 2022 #19
Thugs, who should not be re-elected RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #25
I'll bet they all called their lawyers EndlessWire Jul 2022 #28
Marjorie traitor greene hadn't even been sworn in and yet there she was with that bunch IcyPeas Jul 2022 #33
K & T malaise Jul 2022 #35
Treasonous snakes in the cesspool Cha Jul 2022 #37
Jim Jordan has been invisible the last two months. I want to Emile Jul 2022 #38
Me, too. Looks like we wouldn't be free of him unless it's connected to the Constitution. ancianita Jul 2022 #45
Wow, I never dreamed someone could be a member of Congress from prison. Emile Jul 2022 #52

A Brand New World

(1,119 posts)
4. Two of the Oath Keepers charged with conspiracy,
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:09 PM
Jul 2022

Jessica Watkins and Donovan Crowl, are from Champaign County Ohio which is in Jim Jordan’s district. And that county is his home. Oh how I wish that someone could make a direct connection between those two and Jordan. That connection would make my day, week and year!!

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
34. I think this only requires a majority vote to remove them, ...
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:54 PM
Jul 2022

then a 2/3rds vote to allow them back in.

This can be done.
Except (R)'s will do the same to (D)'s for the stupidest little infraction when they are in the majority.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
10. Hawley is a Senator
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:47 PM
Jul 2022

The Committee was naming the members of Congress who were seditionists. It is a congressional committee after all.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
12. Senators are members of Congress.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:01 PM
Jul 2022

Congress consists of two chambers... the House of Representatives and the Senate.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
13. Thanks but I obviously knew that
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jul 2022

The J6 Committee was dealing with members of the House of Representatives. They have no jurisdiction over the Senate. I'm sure you know that.

Thanks for your sarcastic civics lesson.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
53. But there is a reason there were no Senators at that meeting...
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jul 2022

Surely the J6 Committee would be interested in who was at that meeting, regardless of whether they were House members, Senators, or anyone else. But there is a reason there were no Senators there, when you consider the apparent purpose of the meeting. When there is a question as to who has been elected President, it gets thrown to the House. That's where the fight has to be, it is only House members who would have been able to implement Trump/Eastman's loony strategies, Senators wouldn't be able to be any part of that. That's why there weren't any Senators there.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
18. I know what you mean.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jul 2022

I want senators named so that way if they can't run again we can gain Senate seats in the midterms.

BumRushDaShow

(129,131 posts)
24. Originally, Pelosi and Schumer wanted a bicameral committee
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jul 2022

but they were unable to get an agreement from the Senate (filbuster) to do it that way so it became a House thing.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
26. I didn't know that.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:28 PM
Jul 2022

The damn filibuster strikes again. Another reason why we need to get rid of it and the 2 senators who are DINOs.

BumRushDaShow

(129,131 posts)
29. I remember the months that they were going through
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:37 PM
Jul 2022

to finally get some kind of Committee going.

And then you had Kevin McCarthy planning to put the usual court jesters like Gymsuit Jordan on as members to blow it up and after that was rejected by Pelosi, McCarthy pulled the plug on all of his selectees (and that is when Cheney and Kinzinger were invited).

Kid Berwyn

(14,913 posts)
8. No Barry LOUDERMILK?
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jul 2022

As he probably knows the back way in, I’m not shocked he did not show up on the WH visitor log for the big meeting. I suppose Loudermilk could’ve been leading a Capitol tour or been busy tearing panic buttons out of Democratic offices.

tikka

(762 posts)
9. Someone must have been in charge of the Senators
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 07:58 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

All the people mentioned are representatives. Senators like Grassley and Hawley had some channel to what was planned. That person or persons need to be exposed. There seems to be little evidence of investigation of the Senate players.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
11. Barry Loudermilk is a Congressman
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 08:49 PM
Jul 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Loudermilk

The J6 Committee named the members of Congress who were involved in the insurrection. They didn't get into the Senate's business.

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
16. So they're officially co-conspirators, and the rest, after indictments go down, can be charged
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:14 PM
Jul 2022

as accessories after the fact -- Ron Johnson, Loudermilk, Hawley, Cawthorne, Boebert, MTG, and whoever else spread the big lie.

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
30. What happens now is patience. We have to wait for principals to be indicted before the others are.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:46 PM
Jul 2022

They CAN be charged, but Aiding and abetting is only proven be means of first indicting who they helped; same for those who helped prolong to those indicted after the dates of the principals' crimes.

That's why none of them are high visibility right now. Their indictments follow the principals' indictments.

They could be charged with conspiracy to obstruct if Trump is charged first with obstruction of the electoral transference of power. That could well include every congressperson who voted against the elector count.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
32. Thanks! What we have seen so far from the Committee has been extremely impressive
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:52 PM
Jul 2022

I'm not holding my breath, but for the first time we have hope that there will be legal repercussions against those who enabled TFG.

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
36. No prob!
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:55 PM
Jul 2022

No, we can't hold our breath, but I have a feeling that when the Committee wraps up next week and the report is almost done, it's a realistic timeline that the DOJ could bring down indictments before November 8.

Wouldn't that be spectacularly catastrophic for the guns over people party?!!

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
39. We have to do something, this has gotten completely out of control
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:04 PM
Jul 2022

Kudos to this Committee for presenting the truth - and almost all of their witnesses have been Republicans! What's frustrating as hell are those still in Congress who STILL are taking marching orders from the "disgraced twice impeached former president!" (That's how Nicolle Wallace has referred to him...)

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
40. I think we can breathe easy now. Let go of what we can't control. The Jan 6 Committee and DOJ
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

got this now. They've both been doing fantastic jobs. So we'll see how it plays out. Those folks' days are numbered. I don't think Garland will let the country down. Seriously.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
41. There is a tendency to get discouraged since we've gotten our hopes up before (Mueller Report)
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:14 PM
Jul 2022

But I agree that what we've seen has been persuasive and outstanding - and they're not done yet! I do wonder how the crazies and the misinformed will react, since they're still out there, but we have seen that their number is shrinking... *fingers crossed*

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
42. Very true. But then his AG was corrupt, and he had his letter of the law orders: he was not
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:33 PM
Jul 2022

allowed to indict. He could have, but didn't. That's Republicans for you. If anything goes wrong this time, everyone will know it would be a political, not a rule of law, decision.

We suffered but we also had governing to do, and I'm proud that we broke the historical record of voters who came out for Biden. Even after the voter suppressions and gerrymandering, they still won't be able to beat that 7+ million turnout this time, either.

I think the misinformed will be too fearful to speak out anymore and hang back in their self reinforced bubble. That's their christian cross to bear. They are slow to take in facts and have to learn the hard way. Hard on them. We'll make sure they don't make it hard on us in the future.

Take care.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
43. Awww, well said - and reassuring
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 10:44 PM
Jul 2022

I'm in New York, so you'd think this is a safely "blue state," and most everyone I know, friends, even my doctor and dentist, are "one of us." But they are certainly out there, even here. The jerk across the street had a Trump banner(!) and we went from having Democratic representation (Kirsten Gillibrand, Scott Murphy then Bill Owens) to the worst of the worst - Elise Stefanik! I already saw a sign for her in my travels just yesterday. So we still have work to do. *sigh*

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
44. Well, who knows who I'm trying to reassure here.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:08 PM
Jul 2022
I left a blue state and am now exiled in a red state. But no matter how blue a state we're in, we know we'll never get to 100%. Statistically we'd only run up against 2 out of 10 we meet; where you are, they know they're surrounded. Down here in Florida, these culters and their oath keeper/proud boy types don't care who they shoot, and their adjacent sheriffs do care a bit more. So as soon as my mail in ballot is sent for the August primary, I'm out of here; I'll do the same in October.

If the dust doesn't settle by mid November, I'll likely stay away for awhile. Do an urban archipelago road trip.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
46. Florida's quite beautiful, we often spent holidays with my grandmother there when I was a kid
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:23 PM
Jul 2022

I don't know what happened, if it's always been that way - we have "snowbirds" here in New York who spend the winters there. I know one really nice lady who's one of them. I warned her when Covid was at its peak, but she insisted where she lives is "safe." And you're always welcome here in New York - though I wouldn't recommend the winters. Though I tend to notice license plates and other than Vermont and New Jersey, I see the most from Florida!

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
49. Yeah, in its scruffy way. The whole country is beautiful; it's just the people that
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:34 PM
Jul 2022

detract from its beauty. You know our international tourism has dropped, except for the rich who tend to be stateless, anyway.

I luv New York. Grew up in SE Florida with snowbirds, mostly New Yorkers. I've worked, traveled and visited New York back in the day. Don't tempt me. I do have kids in blue states, so I'll head either to IL or NM. But thank you for your kind suggestion.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
50. I'm not near The City, in the Northeast, closer to Vermont and Canada, southern Adirondacks
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:41 PM
Jul 2022

It really is ideal in the summer, which is why we get tourists from everywhere - they're currently packing the streets just to the north - Lake George. I have to drive up that way tomorrow and I'm not looking forward to it. But this is beautiful country, just not in the winter unless you're a fan of snow "sports."

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
51. Nice!
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:52 PM
Jul 2022

I've stopped in Lake George a couple of times in the summer. You live in lovely country, indeed. I've got a jerk cousin whose got a big house in the Adirondacks...I wouldn't visit him. He's probably a trumper.

I was a winter person once, but no more, nope.
At my age, in winter, there's no such thing as a minor fall.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
22. I thought she was removed from all committees. So of what use is she?
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jul 2022

She has all this time on her hands to cause trouble.

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #22)

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
27. At one point no one wanted to go near her. She refused to wear a mask so they put her in an
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:32 PM
Jul 2022

Isolation booth when she had to show up for votes.

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
31. What use are ANY of them. They don't do anything, either, but blow smoke in every committee that
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:50 PM
Jul 2022

Democrats preside over as the majority.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
19. Next question about that meeting
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jul 2022

Which Members of Congress participated by Zoom or by proxy through an aid?

EndlessWire

(6,537 posts)
28. I'll bet they all called their lawyers
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:35 PM
Jul 2022

when their name got read off. This is the list we wanted, read on national TV by an investigative member of the J6 committee. Not exactly a prideful moment for them. Bet they don't get a good night's sleep.

IcyPeas

(21,893 posts)
33. Marjorie traitor greene hadn't even been sworn in and yet there she was with that bunch
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 09:53 PM
Jul 2022

of fellow traitors. She was already part of this cabal from day 1.

Usually when you start a new job you put your best foot forward, or maybe I'm old fashioned.

(She was sworn in January 3)

ancianita

(36,101 posts)
45. Me, too. Looks like we wouldn't be free of him unless it's connected to the Constitution.
Tue Jul 12, 2022, 11:18 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Wed Jul 13, 2022, 08:07 AM - Edit history (1)

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34716.pdf

Members of Congress do not automatically forfeit their offices upon conviction of a crime that constitutes a felony. No express constitutional disability or “disqualification” from Congress exists for the conviction of a crime, other than under the Fourteenth Amendment for certain treasonous conduct by someone who has taken an oath of office to support the Constitution. Unlike Members of the House,.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/felons-in-office/

Q: Can a convicted felon serve in elected office?

A: The Constitution allows a convicted felon to be a member of Congress, even if in prison. It’s up to the Senate or House to decide who may serve. As for state offices, different laws apply in different places.


Can you imagine a largely criminal House and Senate??


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