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UPDATED by SPOX: Secret Service upset over reports of them erasing text messages (Original Post) FelineOverlord Jul 2022 OP
Still waiting for more info FelineOverlord Jul 2022 #1
Not nothing. DURHAM D Jul 2022 #4
I wonder what it means by "shortly" Bucky Jul 2022 #36
Come in swear to tell the truth and tell that dog ate my homework story under oath Walleye Jul 2022 #2
Embeds at work. nt Samrob Jul 2022 #3
Secret Service trending at #1 on Twitter FelineOverlord Jul 2022 #5
How could you "reconstruct" the texts with any appreciable accuracy . . . Journeyman Jul 2022 #10
Actually, IF everything was working, it should be possible. James48 Jul 2022 #16
Thanks for the response, James . . . Journeyman Jul 2022 #23
This is high level popcorn. Wish I was there. Tetrachloride Jul 2022 #6
Considering recent behavior of Secret Service they likely intentionally deleted them. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #7
I Agree WiVoter Jul 2022 #20
If you believe those texts were deleted as part of a device replacement program *which was totally RockRaven Jul 2022 #8
totally stupid azureblue Jul 2022 #22
I Had A Company Phone ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #38
I really used to think the Secret Service was a stellar organization Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #9
They were shitty *before* TFG. Remember the people they let crash Obama's inauguration? RockRaven Jul 2022 #11
Ugh. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #14
It's like they're cops, or something... NullTuples Jul 2022 #15
Those events are all from Obama's terms Novara Jul 2022 #34
No, the problems with the SS go was way back. My post was just illustrating that the problems RockRaven Jul 2022 #35
Darth knows FelineOverlord Jul 2022 #12
This was just a few days ago FelineOverlord Jul 2022 #13
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? gab13by13 Jul 2022 #17
Exactly. dhol82 Jul 2022 #19
SS schutzstaffel (protection squadron) stollen Jul 2022 #18
Release the Texts.. Mad SS!! Cha Jul 2022 #21
That sounds a lot like what Raffensperger did in GA after they stole the 2018 election ecstatic Jul 2022 #24
Bet his meeting afterwards was like this: spudspud Jul 2022 #25
What needs to be kept so secret, Secret Service? keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #26
Probably covering their own asses KS Toronado Jul 2022 #27
He's back with an UPDATE!!! FelineOverlord Jul 2022 #28
Blame it on the Migration... yeah, right.... slightlv Jul 2022 #30
when the "secret" is toadying for D'umbp, FUCK RIGHT OFF NO WAITING! bringthePaine Jul 2022 #29
How hard can it be to download and archive before deleting? nt BlueLucy Jul 2022 #31
Yep. One would think there's a backup of sensitive data records as a matter of course. nt crickets Jul 2022 #32
Keystone concedes ... Xoan Jul 2022 #33
There are laws about preserving (1) evidence, (2) government records. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #37

Journeyman

(15,038 posts)
10. How could you "reconstruct" the texts with any appreciable accuracy . . .
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jul 2022

and expect to not be called out for manufacturing evidence?

Maybe this is a ploy to get others to come forward, or the recipients to provide the messages from their end. But unless there's more to this technology than I can fathom, I don't see how "reconstructing" the texts would be of any substantial use.

James48

(4,438 posts)
16. Actually, IF everything was working, it should be possible.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:05 PM
Jul 2022

Government phones use, and go through
, the same commercial servers that anyone else uses. And in most cases, they go through government servers as well, and backup copies of all messages are automatically archived.

IF everything was working the way it should- they ought to be able to pull those messages off the servers in question, even if the sender and receiver deleted their copies.

Electronics stay forever, unless intentionally deleted, and I don’t think this type of. Swap would delete the archives of those messages. If just May take sone time to get the data.

WiVoter

(909 posts)
20. I Agree
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

I’m glad that President Biden is making changes with some of them & getting some of the same Secret Service people he had when he was vice president. I worry about his safety.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
8. If you believe those texts were deleted as part of a device replacement program *which was totally
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jul 2022

innocent and coincidental* then I've got a fucking bridge I'd like to sell you.

Dirty bureaucrats always have a hundred ways to do shady shit within the confines of plausible deniability. Most of the cruelty-is-the-point depredations of TFG's regime were performed thusly.

azureblue

(2,150 posts)
22. totally stupid
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:35 PM
Jul 2022

Like any cell phone device, when migrating the data is transferred, then verified. Sometimes direct, sometimes through a 3rd storage device. No doubt the contact numbers and settings were transferred, so that means the messages were, too. and that means the messages are somewhere. Further, when data is erased, it is not erased - the header - that is, the name and directions to the data are erased, so the data can be retrieved.
Whoever came up with this excuse is totally ignorant.. The messages will be recovered and the who ever will be charged.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
38. I Had A Company Phone
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jul 2022

Every 2 years, i got a new one. From 1996 to 2018. So, 7 or 8 times my phone got replaced in the smartphone era. (I'm counting BlackBerry.)
In every case, in 12 hours or less, the new phone had EVERYTHING on it that was on the previous one.
Texts, contacts, Apps, files, everything.
In 2022, the cut in of a new server wiped out messages on Secret Service phones? And, the texts were from the 5th & 6th?
Strains credulity.
.

Sky Jewels

(7,133 posts)
9. I really used to think the Secret Service was a stellar organization
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:21 PM
Jul 2022

that was above politics.

Boy, was I naïve.

Trump turns everything, and I mean everything, to shit, including this once reputable agency.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
11. They were shitty *before* TFG. Remember the people they let crash Obama's inauguration?
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:36 PM
Jul 2022

Here's an article from 2014 just about the scandals during Obama's first term and a half.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/long-list-breaches-scandals-secret-service-under-obama-n215751

Some highlights:
The crashers in 2009.
Shots fired at the WH in 2011, and the supervisor immediately ordered a stand down declaring it to be a car backfiring, the shooting is not properly identified as such for four days.
Prostitutes in Colombia in 2012.
Drunk in Amsterdam in 2014.
Letting an armed guy with a criminal record get into an elevator with Obama in 2014.

Obama had replaced the director twice by that point. They never got better.

Novara

(5,851 posts)
34. Those events are all from Obama's terms
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 03:02 PM
Jul 2022

Maybe the rot started there because they're racist fucks? Maybe they didn't like having to protect a black man?

I'm just spitballing.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
35. No, the problems with the SS go was way back. My post was just illustrating that the problems
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 04:10 PM
Jul 2022

date to before TFG, in direct response to the prior post. Obama was a convenient example as the immediate prior POTUS.

For another older example with obvious parallels to today, we could look at the SS destroying documents in the wake of the JFK assassination, immediately after receiving requests for those very documents from investigators. Their excuse then was routine document culling, not unlike today's routine device swapping excuse.

It's not merely bad actors in the organization, something is fucked up about the very institution/culture which transcends individuals and persists despite personnel turnover through the years.

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
24. That sounds a lot like what Raffensperger did in GA after they stole the 2018 election
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:43 PM
Jul 2022

from Stacey Abrams. But I digress...

spudspud

(511 posts)
25. Bet his meeting afterwards was like this:
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:50 PM
Jul 2022

Secret Service Spokesman: We take great issue with these accusations and I will be speaking out about this shortly!!

**Huffs back to office. Calls a meeting with SS agents.**

Secret Service Spokesman: Ok guys. This is clearly a bullshit story right? We're not the baddies, are we?
SS Agents: **crickets**
Secret Service Spokesman: Guys? Guys?

KS Toronado

(17,310 posts)
27. Probably covering their own asses
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:16 PM
Jul 2022

for any involvement some agents had in the insurrection. Did Pence refuse to get in a limo with
them Jan 6th because he knew something he's never shared with the public?

slightlv

(2,829 posts)
30. Blame it on the Migration... yeah, right....
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:59 PM
Jul 2022

we had migrations at DoD, too. We didn't lose any of our data, tho...

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,403 posts)
37. There are laws about preserving (1) evidence, (2) government records.
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jul 2022

Just how many MAGAts are above the law?

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