I talked to another Trump voter yesterday. His brain is on pause.

[fightforfreedom]

While out for my walk yesterday I ran into a guy walking his dog. I asked him if he was watching the hearings. He said no because it would piss him off. For a moment I thought he may be a Democrat.

Then he said, I can't watch it because it's one sided, the other side doesn't get to respond. I instantly knew I was dealing with brain dead Trump voter.

I reminded him the hearings are not a trial, they are hearings to learn what happened on Jan 6th. He then did what all Trump voters do, he deflected and said I can't trust Adam Schiff. The Republicans, Fox News have done a good job turning Schiff Into the devil himself.

I told him about some of the evidence that was presented at the hearings. His response made me angry. He said it depends what news organization is presenting the evidence. I said to him, The evidence is the evidence, who shows it has nothing to do with it. I then asked him, are you one of those people who thinks the news is fake? He went silent.

Then I told him every witness that has testified has been a Republican, many of them worked for Trump. The hearings are not one sided. That's when his brain hit tilt. He brain paused and he said, if they did something wrong we will find out soon.

Trump voters know about the hearings. They know something is wrong but they are terrified of the truth. That's why many of them are not watching the hearings. They believe the hearings are one sided and they are terrified of the truth.

Deep down in their small brains they know Trump and people around him committed serious crimes. I believe indictments, convictions will force many, not all, trump voters to face the truth. In time, it will be very hard to find a Trump voter. They will eventually fade off into infamy.

[secondwind]

1. From your lips.... er, keyboard.

[gab13by13]

2. The select committee has no prosecutorial power.

[fightforfreedom]

3. I know that. Everyone knows that.

I didn't say they did.

[BComplex]

52. Not "everyone" knows much of anything. Fux Nooze is causing this.

Fux Nooze keeps the cult going. Fux Nooze convinces a couple of million people a day that blue is red and up is down. Fux Nooae is the propaganda channel for the destruction of democracy and the destruction of the United States of America. And the other news channels keep acting like Fux Nooze is a "news" channel, because the BOARDS OF DIRECTORS ARE ALL EITHER REPUBLICANS OR LIBERTARIANS OR CONSERVATIVE "DEMOCRATS" ...DINO'S.

[Novara]

4. Naw, the hardcore cultists will never change their minds

But I do think a lot of people can be peeled off by the overwhelming facts and when indictments start happening.

When the DOJ starts indicting people and convictions start coming, there's an air of legitimacy the legal system confers that the hearings - as good as they are - can't. Right now, the hearings are designed to tell the story. And they are doing a fantastic job. However, there will be more legitimacy and a "huh, there must be something to this" when the DOJ starts indicting the people close to the top. Hopefully there will be perp walks.

Remember Watergate? The revelations of the hearings shocked people. The arrests convinced people there was real criminality. Granted, we didn't have a crazy faction insisting on a nonexistent reality back then, but people's minds began to really be changed when arrests were made.

However, people need to prepare themselves that it isn't likely the orange fuck will be indicted until lower level people have been, and they begin to talk and deal to save their own asses. This is going to take time. They won't deal until they feel reality pushing them into a prison cell. Right now they don't. See: Navarro. When everyone at the top who was involved have been indicted and rumors circulate that people are giving each other up, then they'll talk, and only after that will they arrest the orange fuck. They'll protect each other and him until they realize it's better to give everybody else up.

[Septua]

15. The hardcore mindset

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-rallies-front-row-joes/2021/07/15/cd842ee6-e589-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html

I spent the next year and a half embedded with a group of Trump’s most hardcore rallygoers — known as the “Front Row Joes” — to try to understand what I’d overlooked.

The answer wasn’t so much what I’d missed as what they had found. They were mostly older White men and women who lived paycheck to paycheck with plenty of time on their hands — retired or close to it, estranged from their families or otherwise without children — and Trump had, in a surprising way, made their lives richer. The president himself almost always spent the night in his own bed and kept few close friends. But his rallies gave the Joes a reason to travel the country, staying at one another’s homes, sharing hotel rooms and carpooling. Two had married — and later divorced — by Trump’s second year in office.

In Trump, they’d found someone whose endless thirst for a fight encouraged them to speak up for themselves, not just in politics but also in relationships and at work. His rallies turned arenas into modern-day tent revivals, where the preacher and the parishioners engaged in an adrenaline-fueled psychic cleansing brought on by chanting and cheering with 15,000 other like-minded loyalists.

[Novara]

16. Yes, a cult.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. First Word I Thought Of, Too

My first thought was "In other words, a cult." GMTA!

[Joinfortmill]

21. Wow. Ring of truth. First explanation that actually makes sense to me.

[70sEraVet]

27. There's also the 'poorly educated', who suddenly feel like they're the ones who are 'in the know'

standing in Dallas, waking for JFK jr.

[Joinfortmill]

19. Yup.

[RAB910]

5. People who refuse to listen to what is being learned from the hearings are traitors

I don't care that the toxic anti-American propaganda they choose to consume told them to ignore the hearings, in the end refusing to be an informed citizen is a betrayal of one's country

[PatSeg]

6. Yes, I think many ARE "terrified of the truth"

They devoted so much time and energy repeating the many lies, it became a huge part of who they are. The truth will be devastating, much like the loyal spouse who starts to learn their partner has been cheating on them from time one. We've all known them. They bought the lies and refused to listen to well-meaning friends and relatives until the truth smacks them in the face.

Face smacking time is right around the corner for many and some are already there.

[Bluethroughu]

7. They will only believe there was a coup if these people involved get prison time.

[lastlib]

8. They're denialists, plain & simple.

They really can't.

[DemUnleashed]

9. One-sided

If you see this guy again, please consider telling him that the reason that he thinks it's one sided is because Republicans did not want to have an independent commission. Ask him to think about why anyone would turn down the opportunity to have an independent commission. Tell him only a guilty person wouldn't want one. And with this committee, tell him the Republicans didn't want to put any Republicans on there because they threw a tantrum because they couldn't get those that they wanted on there. The reason they couldn't have the ones they wanted on there is because they could be called in to testify during the hearings

[doc03]

10. The hearings will only reach a very small percentage

of fence sitters. Most hard core MAGAts will just tune out
anything that doesn't support Trump. They just won't watch the hearings and will believe whatever Fox News and their Facebook pals feed them. It is a cult.

[ashredux]

11. It is very hard for people to admit they got scammed

[machoneman]

17. Yes, the police, D.A.'s and law enforcement in general agree: the biggest issue with scammers...

..is getting people to admit they were swindled. If fact, many older folks (not just them but...) NEVER admit to relatives, kids or the cops that they did get scammed for millions of dollars each year. You know, those Africa based emails claiming that if you send money, you'll get back millions. USA based scammers ask for gift cards or try to fake you out of bank/account passwords.

I read years ago now that veteran investigators, even when showing proof, had failed to convince elderly folks and some younger people too they were robbed. The instinct to NOT admit you made a grievous error is very strong and prevents in many cases the police investigators from helping. What's equally shocking is that for every case we see in the press where the scammers got caught and the money returned, 10 times that number or more are either never reported (see above) or the scammers have made a clean getaway.

Often, only when loved ones start investigating where Grandma's or Grandpa's retirement money went do they realize the scam, most often way too late. Oh, and don't get me started on the niece/nephew/grandchild stuck in the middle of nowhere, USA and cash must be wired to get them home!

Scammers always win unless one stops, looks, listens and double-checks. Be sure to tell, often, your elderly loved one to be aware of these and other scams. When in doubt, have them call YOU!

[Emile]

12. I use to work with a guy who thought Nixon

did nothing wrong for over 30 years.

[Zambero]

18. Nixon was a saint compared to Trump

The patron saint of crook denialists, but the Watergate break-in, coverup, enemies list ad nauseum does not begin to approach the gravity of a violent insurrection that was aided and abetted by the very person who refused to facilitate a peaceful transfer of power.

[wnylib]

37. I worked with a guy who said, after Nixon resigned,

that investigations of him should stop because a president or former president should never be tried or convicted of a crime. The guy believed that Nixon had committed crimes, but should not be held accountable for them.

[sop]

13. "It's all democrat propaganda" or "they're just out to get Trump" were the reactions from a couple

of Trump followers I know. They're still in denial.

[Joinfortmill]

14. Thank you for this...

I realize intellectually that it is a good thing that these people will finally face the truth, but emotionally I don't give a shit. Anyone who still supports this man is deeply flawed, in my opinion, and cannot be trusted to make rational decisions. That said, it is a relief these people are finally allowing reality to enter their psyches.

[sindri]

20. their world is a house of cards

they are trying to keep together with scotch tape

[Joinfortmill]

22. Yup.

[hennyohio]

23. Thanks

Thank you for trying. They really are clueless or don't care.

[llashram]

39. for a thousand henny

I pick "don't care"...

[llashram]

44. good one

sparked positive discussion, I think.

[Seinan Sensei]

24. It's the nature of a delusion

No matter how logical
No matter how self-evident
No matter how plain-to-see
The delusional individual will fold your verbiage into his/her delusion
In a true clinical delusion, the delusion itself will never change, will never be affected

[Septua]

25. "They know something is wrong but they are terrified of the truth."

"I believe indictments, convictions will force many, not all, trump voters to face the truth."

I would predict only a few will face the truth. Normal and sane people realized Trump was a con man way back but the supporters heard what they wanted to hear. They watch Fox all day who tells them what they want to hear. If Trump were to end up in jail, they will say it is the greatest injustice of all time.

The only consolation I have is there are only 30 million of them based on the link. That's not enough to win an election.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/hardcore-base-of-30-million-trump-supporters-sticking-to-rigged-election-narrative/video/1a471f700c1261102252d0952b3f6a8b

[Mr. Ected]

26. I'm glad to see you spoke "to" a Trump supporter

Because there's absolutely no way that you can speak "with" them. They don't engage in conversation because that would require logical progressions and application of fact. Their thoughts are as scattered as a typical Trump speech and their beliefs are vapid and unsupportable. They cut us off because they only know emotional impulses rather than political discourse. They politicize apolitical ideas and refuse to believe anything that their chosen media fail to report, which largely means they only know half of any story in the news.

I live amongst these cretins and have given up. As long as right wing radio and FOX news flourish, we aren't battling other Americans over politics, we're battling propaganda and widespread ignorance.

[mwb970]

28. They are deeply, intensely in love with donald trump.

People who experience love and devotion on this level will not turn on the object of their affection and delight no matter what he did and no matter what anyone says. It reminds me of the way religious people feel about their various gods, saviors, saints, etc. No criticism is allowed.

Is it a coincidence that must of trump's lovers are cruel, uneducated right-wing evangelical "Christian" aholes? I think not.

Once again, America's main problem is religion.

[wnylib]

38. Yeah, look what religion did to

Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, MLK, and Senator Warnock, just to name a few.


For the irony challenged:

[mwb970]

46. Not getting it, sorry.

Lots of hostility here, though.

[calimary]

29. You know what they say about denial.

It’s not just a river in Egypt.

[infullview]

30. I have no faith that Garland will ever prosecute T***p.

To afraid to buck precedent that no US president has ever been indicted. He will pick off a few of T***p's underlings, but it won't be justice. To me, there isn't much meaning left in the "DOJ" acronym anymore.

[liberal N proud]

31. They are truly brainwashed

It is definitely a cult

[Historic NY]

32. They have been led like a bull with a ring in its nose.

They staked so much in the loser they can accept that they made a mistake. No one listened to his p tape, no ne listen to those he scammed and stole from, no one listen to the shady building deals, his fake college and his failed business's , they thought he was a God. It is hard to tell them they were wrong. because they don't want to believe it.

[KentuckyWoman]

33. The hearings are VERY one sided

The witnesses are Republicans being asked questions by Republicans. They are talking about the misdeeds and crimes of other Republicans.


It doesn't have anything to do with the Democratic Party other than the fact we are the ones trying to save Democracy in America.

[usaf-vet]

34. For those of us that are old enough to remember Jonestown and the hundreds that killed their.....

... CHILDREN then committed suicide; that is what the Trump supporters of today are emulating.

And In a minor sense, they have killed some of their children by denying Covid, and vaccines do help protect against Covid.

I didn't fully understand it then and certainly don't now.

[highplainsdem]

35. Sounds like some Trump voters I know. Brains not just paused, but dead and embalmed.

[Victor_c3]

36. If it's so one sided, why is that the people telling us trump did something wrong testify under oath

And those who swear trump did nothing wrong won’t testify under oath?

[BlackSkimmer]

40. I would be utterly nonplussed if some random stranger stopped me while I was walking my dog to ask i

was watching the hearings.

Not once in my long life has a complete stranger stopped me and out of the blue begun a political conversation. Nor would I engage with someone who did.

[fightforfreedom]

47. The hearings are not political.

The attempted over throw of our government was not political. It was a crime, a coup. Bringing this up to other people is not political but that's what a lot of Americans call it and they are wrong.

I want to know who my enemy is. I want to know who supports traitors. I don't want to go through life with my head up my ass, afraid of asking people about an attempted coup. This is not politics.

It is the biggest crime since the civil war.

[BlackSkimmer]

50. "the hearings are not political."

[Sympthsical]

57. Look at the bright side

I assume you know the bright side.

Also, I am reading the last three acts of Othello today.

Which could be considered somewhat related.

[BlackSkimmer]

58. I guess I'm missing something.

Not seeing a bright side re this thread?

[llashram]

41. I don't know about

fading "off into infamy". The RW extremist propaganda mill has been full on from the beginning of this current debacle. Millions have had their brains fried. They are, for lack of a better description, political zombies who will remain. Including so far 6 RW fascist ideologues who are coming for our Voting and Civil Rights in the very near future.

I grew up hearing, reading, and studying that all three branches of government balanced out each other as co-equals. With one NEVER having more power than the other 2. Well, Nah so far isn't true in this current attempt to overthrow our democracy by the extreme RW and their 24/7 propaganda mills rotting the minds of millions.

WE better get our shit together for all of US or down the RW toilet our democracy will be flushed.

[gulliver]

42. A lot of Trump voters could be won over

We share a dislike of the Republican establishment. Trump scored with them, for example, by denouncing the Iraq War. We need a much better approach to rural folks, and we need to lower the volume of our few (but noisy) zealots to a level consistent with their one-person-one vote, democratic voting representation.

Heck I'd still be bringing up the Iraq War. Tar Trump and the Republicans with Bush. This isn't science; this is sales.

[Javaman]

45. "In time, it will be very hard to find a Trump voter."

They will suddenly all turn into “good Germans”

For those of you who don’t know what the term “good German” means, it refers to post WWII when after Germany lost the war, hitler was dead and holocaust and all its atrocities came to light, suddenly you couldn’t find a single German that supported hitler or the war, they were the good Germans

[fightforfreedom]

48. You get it.

[Blue Owl]

49. It's hard to imagine tRump coming out of this smelling better...

The amount of damage he's done remains to be seen...

[Sky Jewels]

51. We really found out how many tens of millions

of Americans are willfully, passionately, aggressively ignorant.

Thanks, Trump.

[Dan]

53. Maybe part of it (refusal to accept reality) is that they would have to look at themselves.

[Hassler]

54. There is a reason they oppose woke culture --they prefer to stay asleep.

[EnergizedLib]

55. Wait a minute

‘ I told him about some of the evidence that was presented at the hearings. His response made me angry. He said it depends what news organization is presenting the evidence. I said to him, The evidence is the evidence, who shows it has nothing to do with it. I then asked him, are you one of those people who thinks the news is fake? He went silent.’

Does he know it’s not the news organization presenting the evidence? The committee presents the evidence and all the news stations televise the hearings. It’s just them showing what is going on live inside Capitol Hill.

[sellitman]

56. Unless Trump is put where he belongs

In Jail

He will be our next President.

They don't give a Rats Ass about January 6th.