So the woman haters are on a roll. Can mandatory FGM* be far behind?

[niyad]

*Female Genital Mutilation, for those unfamiliar with this insane practice, which, by the way, DOES happen in this country.

[lark]

1. FGM?

??

[Bettie]

2. FGM is Female Genital Mutilation (I had to look it up)

And yeah, who knows what these dickheads have in mind, but I would guess that is farther down the road, but it's a stop they will likely make.

[Srkdqltr]

3. What the f*** is FGM b ?????

Stupid people

[jmowreader]

31. A very barbaric practice

…perpetuated by people whose religion says sex is only for reproduction. It stands for Female Genital Mutilation, and there are four kinds - each more horrid than the last. (I had to edit this because I’m not sure how detailed you can get in describing FGM without running into DU’s no-sex-threads rule.)

[sarcasmo]

4. Womb control.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Isn't that what the GOP is doing by denying women healthcare?

Refusing to treat female medical emergencies will result in some having permanent
damage to reproductive organs.

[niyad]

7. FGM is about more than damage to reproductive organs. Removing the

labia and clitoris, sewing the labia together, and on and on.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes I know.

I was just pointing that there will be other kinds of damage to women's reproductive organs.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. No need to resort to Orientalism to make the point. The oppression we're seeing is 100% homegrown

Christian white supremacy.

[niyad]

11. Not "resorting" to anything. It is all about hatred of, and controlling of, women.

Patriarchy.

[Whiskeytide]

24. I really don't think they "hate" women. They ...

… are intimidated by and fear strong, confident women. Thus, they want to subjugate them - which looks like hatred. I think it’s important to make that distinction to understand and combat this insanity.

For many of them, religion is just a convenient way to justify that goal. They profess to be Christians, but they keep whipping out the Old Testament as a basis for their actions.

[Delmette2.0]

25. Exactly what I have been thinking.

Thank you

[Hugh_Lebowski]

30. I'd always read of it happening in African countries

when I've read news accounts of the practice.

Didn't even know it was an Asian thing at all. Not saying it's NOT but I don't associate it with Asian culture particularly, and I'm guessing most people do not

Anyways, it's horrible and disgusting, wherever it happens.

Except when it happens to infant males. Nobody cares much about that.

Apparently the inane scribblings of Bronze-Age nomads ... makes it okay.

[niyad]

34. And here, right on cue, the comparison of infant circumcision to FEMALE

GENITAL MUTILATION.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

38. Oh, please ...

Maybe I'm just not a fan of MALE INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION (BECAUSE MINE WERE AND I WISH THEY WEREN'T) ... as opposed to 'comparing' the two as if they're exactly alike.

I did NOT do that, it was just an opportunity to soapbox for something that bugs me that's RELATED.

[niyad]

55. Feel free to start your own thread about that practice. And do tell us how

infant male circumcision compares with having the labia and clitoris removed, what remains of the folds sewn together, the endless infections, fistulas, and death, etc.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

58. Sure ... circumcision 'compares' as way, way less bad.

And I never meant to imply otherwise.

But they're related in the sense that:
1) Young people's genitals have bits cut off of them in both cases, and
2) Those young people didn't consent having bits cut off their genitals, and
3) In both cases, the inane scribblings of Bronze-Age nomads in the Middle East ... are used to explain why it's okay (or possibly even mandated, in some religions).

If you really can't see why one reminds me of the other, I don't know what to tell you.

One is WAY worse, sure ... but they're related enough that one ... makes me think of the other.

Sue me if you don't like it

[Victor_c3]

71. I got burned by DU before by mentioning male genital mutilation

You’re still disfiguring a sex organ and reducing the ability to enjoy sexual pleasure against one’s consent

[niyad]

76. FGM is about more than damage to reproductive organs. You might want

to read up on it.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

80. Believe me, I see what you mean (nt)

[alphafemale]

35. Women are far more important than respect for any ancient cultural practice

Which the OP did not specify.

That type of mutilation is more to some Muslim practices.

I think Asian countries stopped crippling girls and women with foot binding generations ago.

[milestogo]

8. They will lift the bans on doing this in the US.

[niyad]

13. Exactly.

[whathehell]

26. They absolutely will not.

As referenced by WhiskeyGrinder, FGM is NOT part of Western Judeo- Christian culture and it's about as likely to be legalized here as in Great Britain, where it's ALSO a problem. Stop with the hyperbole and alarmism already.

[Treefrog]

28. This.

Sensible post.

[whathehell]

60. Thank you..

[Mosby]

83. The term "Judeo-Christian" is a political creation.

It became popular after WW2 when leaders became more ecumenical in their outlook due to the threat of Marxism and Communism. There wasn't a hell of a lot of real religious pluralism at the time.

Eta I agree with you about fmg, but the RW are clearly trying to regress to point where women and girls are property.

[whathehell]

86. Please..Regardless of when the term became popular

it is valid for reasons lying beyond "political"
consideration.. It reflects the histories and commonalities of the two -- They are linked.

[niyad]

36. Really?? Considering the insane laws the woman-hating christofascists are

promulgating right now, and the absolutely insane crap that has been floating in the reuchwing fir decades, do you actually see a limit on their lust for power over women? Where will they draw the line? When will they be satisfied?

[whathehell]

59. Yes, really

for the reasons already cited..

Again, FMG has NO historical precedent in this country, or in western culture generally. It has absolutely no political or cultural constituency. Suggesting it as a natural progression from the overturning of Roe is facile in the extreme.

[Sympthsical]

75. This reminds me of the federal marriage amendment

Which was a pretty shitty time, because it felt like homophobia was being nationalized in an organized way it hadn't before.

Anyway, being a young whippersnapper heavily involved in activism, it was no fun.

Less fun were other people I worked with in the movement were screaming at everyone that Bush was planning to send us all to FEMA camps. Yes, FMA was bad, but what were we going to do about these camps?!

Turns out I did not, in fact, get relocated to Idaho.

But these people seemed to think it was coming and were very exercised about it.

The moral of the story: Reality is bad enough. We need not these kinds of embellishments to be sufficiently horrified.

[milestogo]

41. They won't prosecute doctors who do this to Muslim girls.

They will look the other way.

[whathehell]

53. No, I think they would prosecute them.

Last edited Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Unlike resrictions on abortion there is NO history of acceptance for FMG..It a very different issue than abortion.

[Lancero]

69. One state eventually tried. Ended up getting the older laws against FGM ruled unconstitutional.

So... Yeah.

https://archive.ph/P01qE

[onenote]

82. There's a difference between prohibiting FGM and making it "mandatory."

[onenote]

52. Hundred Dollars says they won't.

Willing to bet?

There are serious issues to be concerned about. Nonsense like this is just a distraction and makes the things that are being done seem less concerning.

[Hugin]

9. In any rational society, these would be boom times for...

Psychiatrists.

When less than 8% of the most religiously insane people take over the train. Watch out!

[niyad]

15. Sadly true.

[Srkdqltr]

12. People here have asked time and again to stop using blind acronym s without explanation. And here i

Is another with absolutely no context. People who complain about it are laughed at and ignored.

[niyad]

14. My apologies.

[planetc]

22. But I opened this post precisely because of the asterisk.

I was confident you'd remind me what that meant, and I would understand. Thanks, Niyad!

[Joinfortmill]

16. Scary thought. God forbid a woman should enjoy sex.

[niyad]

17. Exactly.

[Aristus]

20. I can't understand why any man would want a woman to NOT enjoy sex!

That's, like, the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life! How utterly depraved does a guy have to be to insist to the point of genital mutilation that a woman not enjoy sex?

And the women who go along with it when cutting up their young female family members? "Well, we've just always done it this way. It's our tradition. It's our culture. And if you die from infection or blood loss? Well, remember: tradition and culture!"

[alphafemale]

32. Because most men are lousy at it

And for a woman to enjoy sex it would have to be with someone else.

[Whiskeytide]

33. It's not the lover who insists ...

… on it for religious purposes. It’s the father. I think the rationale is that if sex is not pleasurable, his horny teenage daughter will not seek it out and thereby spoil her virginity before marriage. It’s REALLY fucked up.

Why didn’t their all powerful god just leave that part off the women folk? Problem solved, right? I mean, why put a button there if it’s not supposed to be pushed?

[Aristus]

39. All it takes is a prospective husband telling the potential bride's father:

"I'm not marrying her if you've cut her up. I don't want to marry into such inhumane savagery."

[Whiskeytide]

44. Yeah, but you fall in love with ...

… the woman you fall in love with. Hardly seems fair to her, right?

And besides, a father that screwed up would likely say “good - I didn’t want her to marry a non-believer anyway”.

It’s barbaric. Religious barbarism. It should be punished in the extreme.

[Aristus]

45. Nothing is fair for the poor victims of FGM. It's unconscionable barbarism.

I don't know how this problem is going to be solved without men standing up and saying 'no more'. And women standing up and saying 'To hell with tradition! This is savagery, pure and simple!'

[atreides1]

18. By "woman haters"...

You are of course including the enslaved women who are eager allies to the men seeking control?

[niyad]

21. A woman-hating patriarchal culture indoctrinated them.

[whathehell]

19. Yes it certainly can be far behind..

It is absutely NOT part of Western culture, which includes Britain, of course, and when it happens here -- and there -- it happens illegally.


.

[niyad]

23. Considering the insane "treatments" and "cures" for women's "problems" in

this country, the ongoing attempts to control women's sexuality and autonomy, the absolute hatred for women, I don't think it that unrealistic. The fact that FGM is currently illegal in both Great Britain and here does not stop the practice.

[BlueIdaho]

27. If you can find it in the Bible

It’s on their agenda.

[niyad]

37. Yes, any of the some 500 versions running around.

[BlueIdaho]

43. Yes!

ANY Bible…

[J_William_Ryan]

29. "I can't understand why any man would want a woman to NOT enjoy sex!"

In traditional cultures it is ‘immoral’ for a woman to enjoy sex; indeed, women shouldn’t enjoy sex because to do so would render her a ‘slut’ or a ‘whore’ and foment sexual lust and desire, promiscuity, infidelity, fornication, and destroy the foundations of both families and society.

And yes, this does sound like the Christo-fascist American right.

[niyad]

49. It most certainly is.

[Runningdawg]

40. Seriously? You have so little confidence in Americans left, that you think we would allow this? SMH

[niyad]

47. I give you donald john trump.

[Runningdawg]

50. Not even remotely the same.

[niyad]

56. Really? The insanity that gave us the F'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR** gave us

the current christofascist court and all the crazies in the various legislatures. If you have been watching the reichwingcrazies for the last few decades, you know that their rhetoric and hatred are unbounded.

[Runningdawg]

61. I live in Gilead otherwise known as OK. I KNOW that crazy. Was raised in the cult.

And as much as I despise the MAGAts with every breath, you start cutting on kids and watch how fast we shut that shit down.

[ecstatic]

64. When is the last time Americans shut something down?

Remember all the hell we raised about babies in cages and families being separated? Or how about when Americans witnessed a man being choked to death on video? What was done about that? And the terrorist attack on the Capitol last year? Anything?

I'm glad you're still hopeful. I'm desperately trying to draw inspiration from you and others who are. I have NOT seen any evidence that Americans are going to stand up to what the GOP is doing. Women are literally dying right now because of the inhumane anti-healthcare laws flooding the South. All I'm hearing is talk about inflation and gas prices.

[Runningdawg]

84. Throwing out BS scenarios like government ordered mass sexual mutilations

is something I expect to hear from the MAGAts. And it WILL NOT help women in their current situation.

[niyad]

68. And I live in fundieville, home to a number of whacked-out mega-"churches"

and assorted loons. I have been watching the reichwingcrazies for decades. The crap they were spewing years ago that people dismissed as too far out are either happening, or the calls are getting louder and more insistent.

[Runningdawg]

85. Watching? I was AMONG THEM for decades

I know exactly what they have planned and you are right. It IS here and now. They aren't interested in mutilation, killing is much more efficient. They haven't been forcing their boys into the military since Vietnam to learn mutilation.

[BlackSkimmer]

42. Oh please.

[IcyPeas]

46. "Torture is not culture." quote by Alice Walker author of Possessing the Secret of Joy

I recommend this book: Possessing the Secret of Joy for anyone not familiar with FGM. It's a novel I will never forget.

An American woman struggles with the genital mutilation she endured as a child in Africa in a New York Times bestseller “as compelling as The Color Purple” (San Francisco Chronicle).

In Tashi’s tribe, the Olinka, young girls undergo female genital mutilation as an initiation into the community. Tashi manages to avoid this fate at first, but when pressed by tribal leaders, she submits. Years later, married and living in America as Evelyn Johnson, Tashi’s inner pain emerges. As she questions why such a terrifying, disfiguring sacrifice was required, she sorts through the many levels of subjugation with which she’s been burdened over the years.

In Possessing the Secret of Joy, Alice Walker exposes the abhorrent practice of female genital mutilation in an unforgettable, moving novel.

[niyad]

48. Thank you so very much for reminding us of this incredible work.

[onenote]

51. Is there a Doozy award for DU posts?

[BlackSkimmer]

65. No kidding. This is certainly a contender.

[Raine]

54. Oh Gawd 🙄

get a grip!

[niyad]

57. I will "get a grip" when the woman-hating crazies are not wielding power. But

thanks anyway.

[Raine]

62. I'm sorry, I was rude and over reacted

no excuse for it.

[niyad]

67. Not a problem. I think we are all somewhat edgy these days.

[RandiFan1290]

66. The 'centrists' said the same when we warned about RvW being overturned. nt

[Brenda]

72. Damn straight. nt

[treestar]

74. It was the "progressives" that said there was little difference

between the Ds and the Rs.

[ecstatic]

63. Yikes!

[Baggies]

70. No

Way too many replies to this thread for something with an easy answer.

[niyad]

73. Pray tell us what your crystal ball tells you about where the woman-hating crazies

are planning to draw the line on their desire to completely subjugate us.

[Baggies]

77. Sure

Between here __________________

and here ____________________

[niyad]

78. What flavour pizza do you like?

[Baggies]

79. As pushback goes

As pushback goes, having read several other posters regarding your post, saying “No” was extremely mild. Extremely mild.

Count your blessings.

[niyad]

81. ohhhhh, HOWEVER will I bear up under the weight of such disapproval?

Interesting that a newcomer (?) engages in such tactics.