So is JPR down for good? Anyone know?

[Demsrule86]

[Treefrog]

1. Does anyone care?

[Sympthsical]

6. Surrously

I just talk smack about people online in Discord like a normal person.

[Demsrule86]

23. I thought discord was gone?

[Sympthsical]

31. Discord is one of the most popular chat services on the net

I use it mainly for gaming.

[Demsrule86]

64. Ok I am not a big gamer although I am interested in it as my kids are.

[Demsrule86]

7. I am curious...

[beaglelover]

75. Nope.

[pnwmom]

76. I don't want them to come back here. n/t

[FoxNewsSucks]

2. I haven't looked at it since probably 2016

Interesting how it seems to have taken up residence in the heads of some. I'm probably not the only one who would have forgotten about it if not for the regular reminders.

[Treefrog]

11. Exactly.

This is the only place I've ever heard about it.

[Demsrule86]

17. Well some of us have curiousity....you know curiousity killed the cat but satisfaction

brought him back. I visited from time to time when I knew something happened that would make them miserable so as to er kind of enjoy the suffering...and to see what they were up to. I do the same with a right-wing site who are truly suffering over Fetterman's good numbers...so delightful. As far as I am concerned, there was no difference between the sites-both right-wing.

[Nixie]

24. Exactly. There is little difference between the extremes.

I figured out a returnee rather quickly with just one perusal there when they were posting about the exact personal info on that site and it was obviously a match to a banned poster here. They were posting the same anti Biden crap that they did about Hillary. I know of many regular Democrats who are just sick to death of the cult.

Hope you are feeling better, Dems.

[Demsrule86]

27. Thank you. I am not feeling great and have to go for more testing. I may have a blood clot

in my kidney again...sigh...no pain at the moment but there are signs. I am just shocked how this happened to me...went to a wedding in New York...this is where I think I caught this version of Covid...which was not known in Ohio at the time. I had no pre-existing and yet 10 days after I 'recovered', it hit me...A-fib, blood clots and Pneumonia which I still have. wear a mask guys...this one is horrible

[electric_blue68]

88. Oh, that's frikkin' horrible! :( May you get good care!

[Demsrule86]

117. So far, I am gettig good care. I am thankful to be alive.

[electric_blue68]

121. Bit by bit getting better

[Nixie]

113. Wow, Dems. That is very intense, and it's hard to tell exactly

where the transmissions originate, but the recent travel does sound the most likely.

My dentist’s office was just closed recently because of Covid, and when I finally saw him, he was so frustrated at having made it through two years being careful and it finally caught up with him anyway. That is something that is bothering us, too. Two years of good practices and it’s still out there.

Thanks for sharing your progress, but I’m so sorry you had to go through any of it.

[Demsrule86]

116. Well I really like my doctor, and I am feeling better so one day at a time.

I don't have brain fog thank God...I mean no worse than usual...I have ADHD...yeah that explains a lot right...I lose stuff and have learned to put things in certain places or I wander around daydreaming...thinking of other stuff and laying down say car keys and have no memory of where I put them...because I wasn't thinking about them...I have had this since I was a kid and learned to compensate. Drugs don't work well for me and often act the opposite of what it is supposed to do.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

3. What's JPR? nt

[Rebl2]

4. Same here

[Ocelot II]

5. In 2016 bunch of disgruntled Bernie Bros on DU left and put together their own site

called Jackpine Radicals, named after a DUer who had passed away (and who was nothing like what JPR devolved into). The site became mostly a forum for Hillary-bashing and subsequently has gone full-on anti-Democrats - mostly fans of the likes of Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard and Vlad the Impaler. Bad juju there.

[Demsrule86]

9. Yup, that is it...they actually rooted for DJT in 2016. Good riddance. But some who were there

likely still have a membership here...so beware.

[Sympthsical]

15. Unless they're actually coming to my house

I'm not sure I would ever care.

It's just pixels.

[Demsrule86]

28. As we found out in 2016...pixels should not be ignored.

[NewHendoLib]

26. Beware? Fuck 'em!

[Demsrule86]

29. I agree...were you here in 2016? I have to say, it was pretty terrible. Many of us barely survived.

[NewHendoLib]

38. Been here since 2004. 2016 drove me off for awhile.

[imaginary girl]

43. Same

[Demsrule86]

55. Yup...some were driven off permanently.

[samnsara]

10. nasty folk....im sure they all voted for trump too

[Demsrule86]

13. I know that some voted for Trump at JPR who came from here originally and one in particular

doxed a well-known DUer...I PM'd her and sent her the link.

[Nixie]

16. Lots are back under different names. Very recognizable patterns, though.

It’s funny how some still think they’re teaching us all lessons.

[Demsrule86]

18. I know...some are so obvious. As we get closer to the midterms and particularly to 2024,

they will be revealed...can't help it.

[Hortensis]

41. Yep. Over there they're overtly heavily anti-Democratic, here more covertly.

Of necessity of course.

Interestingly, that little satellite forum has been consistently pro-Russia. Even HRC isn't mentioned much any more, in spite of lack of closure due to unconsummated malice (lock her up!), but opposition to U.S. and Democratic actions against Russia's interests remains.

Bless their hearts , those on the left are representative of maybe 4% of the total population, and their big answer for how over 80M Americans come to vote for Democrats is corporate corruption.

No wonder posting tends to get a real sad on when Democrats do well in elections or pass important legislation. Speaking of patterns. Even downright depressed. That follows increases in combative, torpedoing posts as anxiety over threats of successes rises.

Must be a miserable political fate overall.

[Demsrule86]

59. I hope sincerely they are miserable.

[Elessar Zappa]

66. Not everyone on the left

are crazy, pro-Russian, anti-Democrat assholes. I consider myself pretty far left and I’m a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. I bet a lot of those JPR posters are trolls.

[Hortensis]

78. :) With you. Almost the entire Democratic Party is left, and 84M Americans voted

Democratic -- America's "not-crazy" people.

The radicalized anti-Democratic assholes we're talking about are various IL-liberal, often anti-small-D-democratic factions, some idealists, some non-mainstream ideologues, some just populist destroyers, most FARTHER left, some hard to differentiate from far-right anti-Democrats, but but some radical moderate.

The common identifier is that they are all anti-Democratic, not to be confused with people who hang with them sometimes but vote Democratic. Though some of the latter Democrats do seem to be occasionally confused themselves and not know who they're hanging with.

As an example, though, three quarters of Sanders Democrats BOTH supported him while he promised to illicitly take the Democratic nomination in 2016 if he lost the popular vote AND voted for whoever was the Democratic nominee as they'd always planned to in the GE. Democrats, or pro-Democrats.

The remaining quarter went into their own promised anti-Democratic rage when he lost the popular vote and couldn't fulfill his promise to force his nomination on the Democratic electorate, as they'd all always said they would. (They were studied and counted. 2% refused to vote in the GE, 12% voted for tRump directly and the rest voted third party.)

In spite of some commonality, the two groups were very different people who, as expected, behaved extremely differently. And of course, this all matters right up to today because we're all members of the electorate. Some are still willing to drive the nation off a cliff to spite the Democrats (imo, making religious extremists seem almost principled if just as crazy in comparison), and some are confused about who's who. Which is why we discuss.

[Nixie]

115. Excellent observations. Fighting other Democrats and calling

it “progress” makes the them instantly recognizable, even with the new names.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. Ok, thanks.

Doesn't sound like a place I would like to visit.

[electric_blue68]

89. Woah (having yet to be here) that's a downturn alright...

who are these folks who pop up intermittently?


ETA: Ah, I see most (?all) are under new names. 👍

[AZProgressive]

114. They don't even like Nina Turner

She campaigned too much like a Democrat for their taste. The one poster that lives in that district didn’t vote for her.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. In the grand scheme of things, this is the real JPR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._R._Williams

Glad to see he was still playing amateur rugby into his 50s.

[Demsrule86]

19. Wow, I enjoyed that what a guy!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. +100. nt

[dweller]

36. But in the DU scheme of things

This is our Jackpine Radical, RIP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026835347#post154


✌🏻

[hlthe2b]

73. It has always pained me that JPR used this DUer's good name and his loss to bring deceptive

"credibility" to the initial launch of that site.

RIP, Jim Peterson (aka JackPineRadical)

[Sympthsical]

12. There have been several very long threads about it in the past

Most recently last week.

Apparently everyone and no one posts there? Schrödinger's message board?

If a bot only bots itself, is it cannibalism or just boturbation?

Three programmers from Belarus enter a bar . . .

Just working off context and frequency of mention, I'm assuming it is Putin's personal message board. That could be the only possible explanation that works for the amount of mentions and attention given it.

[Treefrog]

25. People do seem to keep drawing attention to it here.

No idea why.

[Demsrule86]

30. OK, how many threads have I posted about JPR...the answer is one...and you are reading it.

I told you why...pure curousity-nothing more.

[BlackSkimmer]

32. Personally, I've seen a bunch of threads about that site here on DU.

Speaking for me only, I don't remember you posting about them, but a lot of people do post about that site, for whatever reason.

I couldn't care less about the site or who posts there. Just my opinion.

[Scrivener7]

34. It's catharsis. The schism was quite ugly.

[BlackSkimmer]

37. I vaguely remember it, but I think I was taking a break at that time.

I think I checked it out once, I saw nothing worthy of comment.

[Demsrule86]

67. Interesting...I must have missed them. I suppose, I may have seen some and not remembered.

My intent with this OP was to find out if maybe they were shut down and rejoice if that is the case...bastards. I still think, there is a chance that they will never come back...hope so.

[Hortensis]

74. :) It'd probably only be "a lot" over a longer period than you've been here.

As for DUers inoccasionally bringing it up, though, that's not strange.

After all, it grew up as a satellite of DU. Most have at times hung at DU (especially while Sanders was running), and it's always run on critical, life-giving energy generated by hostility to DU. Like Conservative Cave, whose busiest forum by far is the one slinging smack at DU.

Notably, some here still sadly remember "friends" lost to radicalization, especially during 2013-2016. Also of course, like Cavers, they still come here to observe and talk about us there. And some leave droppings.

But it's been pretty moribund for some while. In that I agree it's not worth visiting for itself. The last time I dropped in was to see how they were responding to the first two Jan 6 committee hearings -- crickets. Nothing. A little typical RT-type smack over Ukraine. More than 'nuf said for them.

[Sympthsical]

35. Probably because there was a really long thread about it a few days ago

I just think it's funny. People have their things. I do plenty of unproductive activities on the daily.

But I think the importance of any of it is wildly over-exaggerated. At least when I post, I know it's just floating off into the ether inconsequentially. Doesn't matter. It's half amusement, half making conversation because I'm at my desk all day. A lot of the time, I'm posting only because I'm trying to straighten out an argument in my head, figure out how to articulate it better, see if it makes a dent.

Look at the click counts. Subtract how many of those are down to refreshing. Now divide by 330 million.

No one cares.

[Demsrule86]

54. Well, I was in the hospital a few days ago...and not posting or reading much...I was curious about

something and tried going there today. What an unnecessarily snarky post. It appears that you care in some fashion.

[Sympthsical]

77. Imagine John has some upstairs neighbors

And they're loud and annoying, but they have to live together in the same building. One day, hark! They are moving out! And this a day of rejoicing, for John doesn't have to deal with the 3AM clomp clomp clomping over his bedroom anymore.

Then, after they moved, John looked up their new address.

Now that's already passing strange. But let's just say it was curiosity.

But after learning that new address, John got in his car, drove over, and passed by their new apartment now and then. Peering out his car window, idly wondering, "I bet they're still being annoying. I need to know if this is true." Sometimes John would forget. But then he would remember, get in his car, and drive past again. Until one day, he saw a UHaul out front his neighbor's new place. He needs to know what happened, where are they moving to next. He may want to drive past that place, too.

At that point, a friend or spouse really should blink in that completely baffled way and say, "John, seriously, what are you doing?" Because John is exhibiting objectively not great behavior.

When really annoying people exit my life, I let them go joyfully. They are now someone else's problem.

Be of good cheer that it is so.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

84. You conveniently ignore facts

The "upstairs neighbors" actively promoted doing damage to everyone not in their club. They likely continue to actively promote doing damage to everyone not in their club.

Being curious about dangerous actors seems reasonable. Being snarky about such curiosity seems less about reason and more about ego.

Be happy.

[Mariana]

85. What kind of damage? nt.

[betsuni]

91. Discouraging voting with constantly repeated accusations of corruption and evil intentions.

That Democrats don't care about the working class, hate them and rig elections to stop progressives who are on the side of The People because they're beholden to wealthy donors and corporations (they only care about "taking" money), are worse than Republicans -- pretend to care but stand for nothing and do nothing (refuse to "take on" Big Everything), don't want to (not having enough votes is just an excuse). They don't stop Republicans, didn't stop repeal of Roe v Wade. That Democrats are the real racists, warmongers, etc.

Purity tests. If a Democrat doesn't think Medicare for All is the best strategy to achieve universal health care at this time, they're corporate shills and not progressive and since they know only Medicare for All can achieve universal care, they're evil and immoral and want everyone to die.

Trying to convince younger people a vote is a personal declaration of identity and not a civic duty. Your conscience won't let you wear leather or eat meat or not recycle: voting Democratic is like eating three Big Macs while wearing a leather outfit, being mean to the working class minimum wage workers at McDonald's, then throwing your garbage on the sidewalk. You'll remain pure righteous progressive by voting third party or not voting at all.

And so much more. Drama to make people cynical, angry, disgusted.

[Sympthsical]

92. What, to the five people who read them?

Seriously. It's apparently a much smaller unknown website off-shooting from an already small not terribly well-known website.

People act like they're running ads on CNN.

The lack of perspective is a bit on the silly side.

Don't get me wrong. The whole sincerely super serious nature of why it is urgent to monitor this dust speck in the political universe is entertaining as hell.

But that's all it is - a diversion. No one's getting elected anywhere based on it - not even to the local water board.

[betsuni]

94. It's all over the internet and many anti-Democratic groups and media.

Justice Democrats/Our Revolution/Brand New Congress/The People's Party/DSA. JPR were the nutty remnants.

I guess some people aren't familiar with these constant attacks, but they're all over the place. Now it's the Biden age thing.

[Sympthsical]

96. I have never heard of that place except for here

I guess they should appreciate the free advertising?

Rent free is rent free, wherever a body can get it.

"What a terrible website!"
"Indeed!"
"What shall we do about it?"
"Give them more traffic!"
"Yes! They shall rue it!"

Ok? To me this is a very strange strategy.

[betsuni]

98. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, I believe the saying goes.

Why the "rent free" insult? These anti-Democratic trolls are all over the internet. It's like when a horrible person is on a talk show and people trash the host for "giving them a platform," but if anyone actually watched the show the horrible person makes a fool of themselves and everybody laughs at them. The more fools are exposed as such the better.

[Sympthsical]

102. People are free to make their choices

I think toxicity breeds toxicity.

I don't understand the great need to be participant in it. Taking a blowtorch to a dandelion isn't exactly doing the Lord's work.

Anyway. This was fun. Othello awaits.

[betsuni]

104. I don't understand your point.

[claudette]

42. My question, too

[Politicub]

47. It was like the OAN of political forums

I had forgotten about it until I saw the threads on DU about it going away.

If it comes back online, it will be mission accomplished to draw attention from DU to the site.

[Demsrule86]

50. Not in Word press...this is where websites on the decline end up.

[Gore1FL]

80. In 2016, there was great division at DU.

JPR was formed by those who felt driven off. For some reason, many here find the need to stalk them.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Who is surprised by this?

I was never impressed with the people posting on that board

[Demsrule86]

21. No, I would think not! Me either.

[Scrivener7]

33. I'm a little sad....

I enjoyed occasionally going over there to see an alternate reality. It made me appreciate this actual reality a little more.

Also, that Gnome guy? He was great while he was here. Never understood how he ended up there.

[NewHendoLib]

39. Did they wrap around and meld with the Cave???

[Demsrule86]

58. Who the hell knows what they did...some of them while here got good DUer's kicked out.

This is why I think TOS is so wonderful.

[revmclaren]

40. I posted an OP a few days ago about Just Putins Reprobates

(JPR) being off line. A month or so ago they were clamoring about where to meet up if the site shut down. They were worried about bad attention because of their pro Russian posts and negative governmental leanings.

They have been off line for a week now.

As my OP stated...beware incoming disrupters.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216925611

With JPR down, the internet is less polluted.

[Ocelot II]

44. So I got curious and dug around the Internet tubes, and discovered that,

alas, they are not down but have merely migrated to another platform, which is under some kind of Wordpress construction - not much on it yet. I won't link to it but you can find it easily if you want to bother.

[revmclaren]

45. Will take a peek.

[revmclaren]

52. Not finding it.

Can you pm me the link please

[revmclaren]

60. That's their build site.

Only one post newer than 3 years. Post wondering what happened to JPR.

So main site still down.

[Ocelot II]

61. The July 14 post looks like they are trying to resurrect or rebuild it.

So they aren't completely gone yet, though the original site has disappeared. We can only hope the build is unsuccessful.

[revmclaren]

62. Time will tell.

[Scrivener7]

63. There certainly has been an influx in the last few months.

[revmclaren]

65. Absolutely.

[Scrivener7]

69. But it's kind of fascinating that they think they'll get "too much attention" for anything.

I often think some DUers wildly overestimate the importance of our thoughts to the world, but JPRs going into hiding for fear of "getting too much attention" is bizarre.

[revmclaren]

71. Its possible that the site just crashed.

But remember, the US and the rest of NATO supports Ukraine and any Russian propaganda outlets are under a microscope right now as they should be.

[Demsrule86]

68. Nice titile. I am looking at it ...thanks.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. I remember a couple JPR threads applauding the booing of John Lewis at 2016 convention

I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 National Convention and the Clinton campaign had a "whipping infrastructure" in place in case of floor vote fights. My whip warned me 20 to 30 minutes in advance of the planned stunt by the Sanders campaign to boo John Lewis. Elijah Cummings, Stacy Abrams and a number of other speakers were booked as part of planned stunts and my whip warned me acht time this happen According to my Whip, Sanders was asked to stop this stunt and declined.

I checked and I found an archive of this JRP thread
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/

Hey John Lewis; karma's a MF, ain't it?
When you had the chance to get behind a true progressive in the primaries, you pretended you had no idea who he was. Not only that, you did so in a press conference in order to show your allegiance to Hillary “bring them to heel” Clinton. Yep. You sold your legacy of police beatings and marches for civil rights with MLK to align yourself with the biggest corporate sellout loser candidate the dems have ever run. “Why would you have done such a thing?” people may wonder. Well, I’m sure it has nothing to do with attaining more power in an already corrupt system that you don’t seem to have a problem with now that you’re a part of it. So when you take to the stage and claim that Trump isn’t a “legitimate” president, not only are you wrong, you’re also to blame for his having been elected in the first place. You and every other sellout in the party can all go fuck yourselves. And please do so in a place that’s far away from any levers of power.

There was good DU thread a while back where the posts on JPR were copied and pasted
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028476265
The people who posted on JPR about the booing of John Lewis are sad and sick people.

[Demsrule86]

48. Thanks for the information...and who would boo John Lewis? Traitors that is who.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

49. +1

That was a disgrace

[LetMyPeopleVote]

51. I was shocked when I got the text from my whip

I showed this text to a law school friend who was a delegate and he past my Iphone to a good number of delegates.

[Demsrule86]

56. It is just shocking...I well remember the behavior of some...dreadful!

[iemanja]

57. Because he didn't endorse their favored candidate

who, we were told, was the true civil rights hero. So what if Lewis risked his life? So what if he had his skull beaten in by the police? So what if he was an icon in Civil Rights history? Dolores Huerta was another one they trashed.

Those events showed the ugliest side of Dems or pseudo Dems. I for one will never forget, despite all their gaslighting.

[betsuni]

70. And because Lewis didn't remember meeting a student activist from Chicago.

They thought he was lying. Because getting arrested at a protest once in college and hearing a MLK speech is equal to a lifetime's work in civil rights, or something.

[electric_blue68]

90. Woah... him AND her?! (I wasn't here yet) and more Elijah, Stacy... Shameful!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

99. Again, these were planned stunts by the Sanders campaign

The Clinton campaign was monitoring these stunts and warning the Clinton delegates in advance of each stunt. It was sad that Sanders declined to attempt to stop these stunts

[betsuni]

103. There's a video of Bernie speaking to his delegates and when he said "We have got to defeat

Donald Trump and we've got to elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine" they booed him for a long time. Out of control.

[electric_blue68]

106. Oh, I Get It... Shameful on them, and yes sad Bernie declined to try, and stop them

Btw...

Your first time as a delegate?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

112. This was my first and probably only Democratic National Convention

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a lifetime experience. I had worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to be be in the position to run for and be elected as delegate. Too bad that Sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help TFG. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, Sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the Sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis., Elijah Cumminga and Stach Abrams. I was warned about each of these stunts 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, Sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of Sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to Sanders.

Sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that Sanders talked about was himself. Sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally, a group of Sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. My daughter was my guest and she got to attend the first night and see Michelle Obama. Again, Sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and Sanders refused.

Texas may change the way it selects delegates next cycle, and I will see if I want to run. I was a day one contributor to Joe Biden and got to meet Joe Biden at two different private fundraisers. I was amused when Joe signed some floor speech signs from his speech at the 2016 convention while not missing a beat talking to another guest. Joe then took my iPhone took three selfies with me better than I could do. At the next fundraiser, I had maxxed out for the primary and so got to talk to Joe about stuttering.

The process of running for and getting elected to be a delegate to a national convention takes a great deal effort and you still have to be vetted before you are an official delegate. I have friends who were at the 2008 and 2012 conventions, and they had a good time. Time will tell if I try again.

[iemanja]

53. Racist shit stains

are what JPRs are.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

79. It was mainly African Americans speakers who were booed by the Sanders delegates at the convention

It was a very sad experience.

The assholes on JPR actually cheered John Lewis being booed. The idiots who post on that site are sad and sick people

[betsuni]

72. I think it's funny how some people get really defensive about JPR.

[Gore1FL]

81. I am amused that in 2022 there are still DUers stalking them. nt

[Mariana]

83. It's really weird. nt.

[betsuni]

86. Proved my point.

I go to JPR, Jezebel and a few other places to find out what the latest anti-Democratic attack is. Democrats are the enemy for them, not Republicans. Populism requires an Us and Them and Democrats and supporters are the corrupt immoral Them (Republican voters are included in Us because they are also "economic anxiety" victims of the big bad "corporate Dem" establishment responsible for all the bad things). They've created their own ideology with alternative history and vocabulary that I find fascinating to study. People convinced they're on the left and progressive who despise Democrats because they believe propaganda on the internet and don't bother to think for themselves.

People left DU because they couldn't call Hillary names anymore. It was never about policy, all about character attacks and personal insults. When the goals are same and only strategy is different, go after character and demonize. The slogan "Medicare for All" is still used as a purity test. If a candidate doesn't say the slogan, they are denied the "progressive" label. They get the moderate/centrist/corporatist label and the name-calling begins. But why does saying "Medicare for All" make one righteous, moral, progressive but thinking improving the ACA makes one corrupt? Total fantasy of "I'm right, and if you don't agree with me it's because you know I'm right and hate progress and don't care about the working people." I like John Fetterman because so far as I know, he's refusing to play that silly game. He's smart.

[Gore1FL]

93. I can't say that I care enough to go to them. If you do, that's about you, not me.

Regardless, I was here in 2016. I can do without the gaslighting. It's against TOS to argue about it; so I will not.

[betsuni]

95. Don't even have to go there, it's right here and pretty much everywhere.

[Gore1FL]

97. Of course you don't have to. You stated you do. That's certainly your choice.

It isn't the one I made.

[betsuni]

100. So?

[Gore1FL]

101. So, you obviously care about them more than I do.

Apparently, you also enjoy elongating conversations unnecessarily. Let me be clear. I don't care about things besides the sites you mentioned. That list also includes, but is not limited to, this discussion.

[betsuni]

105. The required personal insult!

Guess I'm supposed to be mad.

[Gore1FL]

107. If being mad stops this from continuing, then Okay.

It's all part of the not-caring.

[betsuni]

108. Ah, I am sad our relationship is at an end. My sleeves are wet with tears.

[Gore1FL]

109. I don't care. nt

[Silent3]

110. For someone who doesn't care, you seem awfully damned concerned about getting the last word n/t

[Gore1FL]

111. I don't care nt

[Demsrule86]

118. Kind of a condscending sort of post? I await more er lessons with bated breath truly.

[Gore1FL]

120. I don't care. nt

[Nixie]

122. I also will not talk about the TOS, which says to support Democrats, so

when that’s not done, you wonder why they’re not supporting Democrats and where they came from.

[kcr]

82. I think they are desperate and pathetic

Total cringe.

[Voltaire2]

87. WGAF

[DemocratSinceBirth]

119. It's been gone for a long time.