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tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 08:48 PM Jul 2022

"Because she wanted to"

Ran across a really great post on Reddit about arguing with anti-abortion types. It was mostly a moderator laying out some rules, but the last bit should be noted as a way to talk to anti-abortion types. I've highlighted it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/w1loyf/idaho_gop_just_voted_for_women_to_die/igm284x/

But it is also important not to get bogged down in "debate" because these people are fundamentally dishonest and a protracted argument in which you give them the chance to showcase their deliberately disingenious "gotchas" can only serve to platform evil.

Simply call them by their name. Monsters.

And say: "Because she wanted to."

Do not say: "But what about sexual violence. But what about ectopic pregnancies."

Don't get driven into a corner where you are reduced to begging for rare exceptions to allow women the basic human right of bodily autonomy.

Take back the line. Step forward. Draw that line in the sand.

"Because she wanted to."

That is all that is required, that is all the justification that is needed.

Why should she be allowed to terminate a pregnancy?

"Because she fucking wanted to."/igm284x/



I think it is a great way to shut these types down. Just say "She got the procedure because she wanted to" and leave it at that.
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"Because she wanted to" (Original Post) tinrobot Jul 2022 OP
Only perverted control freaks demand women do as they say. blm Jul 2022 #1
Just for levity, I kind of ask my wife not to be unfaithful AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #11
Her body, her choice Leith Jul 2022 #2
I agree to an extent but maybe say because "it's her body, her decision". chowder66 Jul 2022 #3
Great post. Going to Canada Jul 2022 #30
Expand the language around gender and you're good to go. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #4
I like this leftieNanner Jul 2022 #5
Another go to is that it's none of their god damned business. Hugin Jul 2022 #6
"It's none of your effin business!" LakeArenal Jul 2022 #7
How about Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #8
They're her eggs. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2022 #9
👍 Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #10
My usual reply, "nonya" as in, "NONE OF YOUR F'N BUSINESS". niyad Jul 2022 #12
I like that. liberalla Jul 2022 #15
That's ALWAYS a viable go-to Higherarky Jul 2022 #23
I like it! SalviaBlue Jul 2022 #26
"N O Y F B!" lastlib Jul 2022 #28
"Because she wanted to" Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #13
+1 Celerity Jul 2022 #18
Abortion is often a need, not a want. Liberty Belle Jul 2022 #14
..or "Because she decided to.." tinrobot Jul 2022 #19
Reproductive rights are human rights Alice Kramden Jul 2022 #16
+1 n/t area51 Jul 2022 #29
Exactly rebe303 Jul 2022 #17
This reminds me of a couple of memes I've seen floating around. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #20
Because they wanted to and because it's none of your fucking business. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #21
How about - "Because she chose to" 2naSalit Jul 2022 #22
Yep. Because SHE wanted to. calimary Jul 2022 #24
R'amen Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #25
Because she decided to. Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #27
Yeah, adding "rare" to "safe and legal" was dumb pandering. It's Carlitos Brigante Jul 2022 #31

blm

(113,090 posts)
1. Only perverted control freaks demand women do as they say.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 08:51 PM
Jul 2022

Especially regarding their most private, personal choices.

I have no problem saying that to them.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,751 posts)
11. Just for levity, I kind of ask my wife not to be unfaithful
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 09:52 PM
Jul 2022

I hope it's her personal choice to listen. hehe.

chowder66

(9,078 posts)
3. I agree to an extent but maybe say because "it's her body, her decision".
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 08:54 PM
Jul 2022

I say that because there are situations where a woman has to make a difficult choice if she intended to give birth and has serious complications. 'Wanting to' doesn't really cover that.

Going to Canada

(169 posts)
30. Great post.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:12 PM
Jul 2022

Don't get an abortion if you don't believe in it. Don't tell me you don't believe in it. I won't tell you I do. It is no one's business but the woman. Her body her choice.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
14. Abortion is often a need, not a want.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jul 2022

Many women with wanted pregnancies wind up needing abortions because of risks to the mother or problems with the fetus.

And women with unwanted pregnancies also need abortions for reasons such as being unable to afford a baby, not wanting to disrupt school or career, already having too many children to care for, needing to get out of an abusive relationship, rape or incest.

So better to say "because she needed to," instead of "wanted to." Many women don't want abortion, but feel that it's the best of bad options.

tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
19. ..or "Because she decided to.."
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:30 PM
Jul 2022

It doesn't matter if she "needed" or "wanted" the procedure. It's her decision.

ShazzieB

(16,508 posts)
20. This reminds me of a couple of memes I've seen floating around.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 12:08 AM
Jul 2022

Or rather 2 different versions of the same meme. They're both on the subject of why women have abortions, and they both make the same point in slightly different ways. One is a little more "in your face" than the other.

First, the more subtle version:



And here's the other one:



Take your pick and use as desired. I'm rather fond of the 2nd one myself. 🤗

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
22. How about - "Because she chose to"
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 01:23 AM
Jul 2022

It implies choice rather than desire. Which does matter to our opponents.

calimary

(81,458 posts)
24. Yep. Because SHE wanted to.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jul 2022

It’s HER body, so it’s HER business. PERIOD.

Although I would love to see consequences imposed upon the forced birthers. If they force a birth over the will of the woman involved, then they’re automatically on the hook to provide financial support for the ensuing 18 years.

They’re NOT gonna give up and stop meddling in women’s private lives. So then make ‘em pay for the privilege.

Farmer-Rick

(10,207 posts)
27. Because she decided to.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 06:21 PM
Jul 2022

"Don't get driven into a corner where you are reduced to begging for rare exceptions to allow women the basic right of bodily autonomy.

Bodily autonomy trumps and any magical Christian god.

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