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Pretty much sums up what I think of when I hear people use 'woke' as a pejorative (Original Post) Siwsan Jul 2022 OP
I would love to be called woke, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #1
Reminds me of a famous etching by Goya...The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Tanuki Jul 2022 #5
Strigiformophobia. Marcuse Jul 2022 #29
I consider it a complement. And say thank you. Srkdqltr Jul 2022 #2
To me there are two kinds of "woke" nycbos Jul 2022 #3
Thanks for the clip. KS Toronado Jul 2022 #8
If you ain't woke... multigraincracker Jul 2022 #4
It's become a pejorative arlyellowdog Jul 2022 #6
Why not? Siwsan Jul 2022 #9
Because no one uses it. Why bother with it. arlyellowdog Jul 2022 #25
I see it used. Siwsan Jul 2022 #26
Doesn't get any cooler than this: johnp3907 Jul 2022 #34
seems like the term reflects awareness and acknowledgement of history and reality? Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #7
Well, reality does have a liberal bias. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #12
Yeah, forgot about that. Fake News forever, right? Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #18
Democrats have a good rebut word nowforever Jul 2022 #10
Simply put EnergizedLib Jul 2022 #11
PC never made sense to me. wnylib Jul 2022 #13
Exactly EnergizedLib Jul 2022 #15
+1 MLAA Jul 2022 #20
+1 MLAA Jul 2022 #21
They're categorically against humanity politeness and decency. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #31
Naughty - but lucky - kids peppertree Jul 2022 #14
Strooth! ChazInAz Jul 2022 #17
I hear you. peppertree Jul 2022 #24
It was ironic. ChazInAz Jul 2022 #27
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing that! peppertree Jul 2022 #28
Better woke than asleep at the wheel. Shuts them right up. nt Phoenix61 Jul 2022 #16
Someone asked me recently if I teach "woke math" jcgoldie Jul 2022 #19
I do not get the hair on the back of the neck raising over the word "woke" Peacetrain Jul 2022 #22
Its typical right wing MO... Moostache Jul 2022 #23
That's awesome. sellitman Jul 2022 #30
I have a t shirt that says Woke AF that I wear around my small conservative town cherish44 Jul 2022 #32
A History of "Wokeness": How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war. Marcuse Jul 2022 #33

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
3. To me there are two kinds of "woke"
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:09 AM
Jul 2022

The good kind of woke is acknowledging some of our current injustices are due to not dealing with the past injustices in our society. These are people who want to talk about them because they want to be a part of the effort to find solutions to them.

I'll let British YouTube character Jonathan Pie describe the bad kind of woke.

EnergizedLib

(1,898 posts)
11. Simply put
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:12 AM
Jul 2022

It’s their new buzzword, they’ve latched into that word replacing the term PC or the variations of it.

wnylib

(21,588 posts)
13. PC never made sense to me.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:17 AM
Jul 2022

What they call PC is just normal human politeness and decency. Maybe that's why they dislike it so much.

EnergizedLib

(1,898 posts)
15. Exactly
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:22 AM
Jul 2022

Ironically, if somebody says they’re not politically correct, it comes across to me as they’re saying in a politically correct way that they’re a jerk.

ChazInAz

(2,572 posts)
17. Strooth!
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:35 AM
Jul 2022

I still remember Illinois teachers ragging me for my Hungarian accent, usually referring to me as "The Russkie" during the height of the Red Scare, ignoring the fact that my ancestors had left Russia long before Ivan Grozny came to the throne!

peppertree

(21,657 posts)
24. I hear you.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jul 2022

I am sorry to hear about those bigot teachers - I can definitely relate. My parents are from Argentina - which didn't endear me to anyone, despite our being white.

The classmates weren't nearly as much of a problem as the teachers - and the kids' parents, who (almost) all kept their young'uns away from me as if was a leper.

We've lost touch completely - although there are a few classmates I wouldn't mind seeing again.

My father, as it happens, is of part Russian descent, and I recall his telling me of similar teasing - but mostly from the other kids - when growing up in Argentina (in remote Patagonia, can you imagine!).

ChazInAz

(2,572 posts)
27. It was ironic.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

This was in my neighborhood schools: a neighborhood that was almost entirely Eastern and Middle European immigrants. My fellow students were just a generation or two from the Old Country. Guess I was just more recent than the rest. It's funny: my accent is gone now, of course and I remember very little of my native Hungarian. Our parents taught us English at home before we emigrated, being kids we learned it easily. But now, I have the Devil's own time picking up other languages!

peppertree

(21,657 posts)
28. Fascinating. Thanks for sharing that!
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jul 2022

Being an immigrant, or the son/daughter of immigrants, really is a unique experience.

Among other things, it teaches you emotional independence - and from a very early age, long before most people even have to consider such things.

It can be hard and cold - but makes for a lot of inner strength, if we don't let negativity get the best of us.

That's been my experience anyway.

Thanks again, Chaz.

All the Best to you, your folks, and everyone in the Hungarian-American community. From George Pal to Andrew Grove (and many more!), they've given us so much.

jcgoldie

(11,641 posts)
19. Someone asked me recently if I teach "woke math"
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jul 2022

I teach HS math in Illinois. I said, "no my students sleep through class like babies..."

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
22. I do not get the hair on the back of the neck raising over the word "woke"
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jul 2022

Of course we should all be "woke" Aware of what is going on and not sleep walking through our lives... especially when it comes to our fellow beings safety needs wants and just being a decent person..count me in as WOKE

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
23. Its typical right wing MO...
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jul 2022

They take all of their code words and descriptions and roll it into a single word or phrase...

"Welfare Queen"
"Illegal Immigrant"
"Tax and Spend"
"Far Left"
"Socialist Communist"

These are all GOP Pavlovian bells to the "base".
Reinforced dawn to dusk on radio and TV with the same smug style and 'nudge nudge' subtly of a Monty Python skit..."your wife, eh, does she go squire? eh? Know what I mean, nudge nudge?"

Marcuse

(7,506 posts)
33. A History of "Wokeness": How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:49 PM
Jul 2022
The earliest known examples of wokeness as a concept revolve around the idea of Black consciousness “waking up” to a new reality or activist framework and dates back to the early 20th century.

[In 1962], a young Black novelist named William Melvin Kelley wrote a first-person piece for the Times called “If You’re Woke You Dig It; No mickey mouse can be expected to follow today’s Negro idiom without a hip assist.” In the piece, Kelley points out that the origins of the language of then-fashionable beatnik culture — words like “cool” and “dig” — lay not within white America but with Black Americans, predominantly among Black jazz musicians.

Given that this oldest-known introduction of “woke” to the mainstream comes in a 1962 opinion piece about how white Americans are always appropriating the Black vernacular, it’s almost as though the word predicts its own fate.

That’s where things get really complicated — and where white culture’s appropriation of “woke” begins to dominate the conversation.

It seems, then, that the evolution of “woke” since 2014 is almost a direct reflection of a larger cultural evolution during the same period. Since Ferguson, the ideas and idealism behind various social justice movements have frequently been co-opted and distorted. In the case of the Black Lives Matter movement, conservatives have even reframed the protests as being a contributor to — even the cause of — the violent system they inherently oppose. This has typically been done through petty, disingenuous, exhausting semantic arguments, assisted by bad actors, bots, and trolls, and all of it has been done through and around the word “woke.

“My sense is that by ‘woke,’ what people mean is a new form of being ‘enlightened,’ repackaged for our modern era,” she said. “The Enlightenment was meant to be an era of new progressive ideas, and folks fancied themselves awakened by new ideas and knowledge.” Similarly, “people today who identify as woke also see themselves as having been awakened to a new set of ideas, value systems, and knowledge. The mode and the values are different, but the sensibility — the idea that previously you were blind, and now you can see — is the same.”

That powerful concept, however, “now has become either sort of kitschy or actually almost an epithet — as if there’s this sort of superficial, performative effort at justice,” Tisby said.

“Wokeness is costly,” he continued. “When people claim the label without enduring the difficulties that go along with truly anti-racist actions, then it’s in a vacuum.”

In other words, while many people on the right may be disenchanted with wokeness because they see it as an upgraded form of “political correctness,” many people on the left may be just as frustrated with it. That’s because claiming wokeness is often about maintaining the superficial trappings of progressive idealism without doing the real work to understand and change systems of oppression.

“The solution [I’ve] arrived at, when someone does use a term like that as an insult, [is] to ignore the insult [and] respond to what might underlie the insult ... the bigger concern. Because the polarization is only going to be defeated by transcending the binary categories of the argument.”

[link:https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy|
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