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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPretty much sums up what I think of when I hear people use 'woke' as a pejorative
gab13by13
(21,392 posts)we could use another Age of Enlightenment.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)Marcuse
(7,506 posts)Srkdqltr
(6,315 posts)nycbos
(6,037 posts)The good kind of woke is acknowledging some of our current injustices are due to not dealing with the past injustices in our society. These are people who want to talk about them because they want to be a part of the effort to find solutions to them.
I'll let British YouTube character Jonathan Pie describe the bad kind of woke.
KS Toronado
(17,314 posts)multigraincracker
(32,714 posts)you been sleeping.
Whiled you were sleeping, someone pulled a fast one.
arlyellowdog
(866 posts)Its their silly word. Why defend it?
Siwsan
(26,289 posts)arlyellowdog
(866 posts)Its like defending groovy. Dated
Siwsan
(26,289 posts)AND I still, on occasion, use the word groovy. Just because I can.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,760 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,760 posts)nowforever
(310 posts)Stupid...lets use it.
EnergizedLib
(1,898 posts)Its their new buzzword, theyve latched into that word replacing the term PC or the variations of it.
wnylib
(21,588 posts)What they call PC is just normal human politeness and decency. Maybe that's why they dislike it so much.
EnergizedLib
(1,898 posts)Ironically, if somebody says theyre not politically correct, it comes across to me as theyre saying in a politically correct way that theyre a jerk.
Nevilledog
(51,186 posts)peppertree
(21,657 posts)ChazInAz
(2,572 posts)I still remember Illinois teachers ragging me for my Hungarian accent, usually referring to me as "The Russkie" during the height of the Red Scare, ignoring the fact that my ancestors had left Russia long before Ivan Grozny came to the throne!
peppertree
(21,657 posts)I am sorry to hear about those bigot teachers - I can definitely relate. My parents are from Argentina - which didn't endear me to anyone, despite our being white.
The classmates weren't nearly as much of a problem as the teachers - and the kids' parents, who (almost) all kept their young'uns away from me as if was a leper.
We've lost touch completely - although there are a few classmates I wouldn't mind seeing again.
My father, as it happens, is of part Russian descent, and I recall his telling me of similar teasing - but mostly from the other kids - when growing up in Argentina (in remote Patagonia, can you imagine!).
ChazInAz
(2,572 posts)This was in my neighborhood schools: a neighborhood that was almost entirely Eastern and Middle European immigrants. My fellow students were just a generation or two from the Old Country. Guess I was just more recent than the rest. It's funny: my accent is gone now, of course and I remember very little of my native Hungarian. Our parents taught us English at home before we emigrated, being kids we learned it easily. But now, I have the Devil's own time picking up other languages!
peppertree
(21,657 posts)Being an immigrant, or the son/daughter of immigrants, really is a unique experience.
Among other things, it teaches you emotional independence - and from a very early age, long before most people even have to consider such things.
It can be hard and cold - but makes for a lot of inner strength, if we don't let negativity get the best of us.
That's been my experience anyway.
Thanks again, Chaz.
All the Best to you, your folks, and everyone in the Hungarian-American community. From George Pal to Andrew Grove (and many more!), they've given us so much.
Phoenix61
(17,018 posts)jcgoldie
(11,641 posts)I teach HS math in Illinois. I said, "no my students sleep through class like babies..."
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)Of course we should all be "woke" Aware of what is going on and not sleep walking through our lives... especially when it comes to our fellow beings safety needs wants and just being a decent person..count me in as WOKE
Moostache
(9,897 posts)They take all of their code words and descriptions and roll it into a single word or phrase...
"Welfare Queen"
"Illegal Immigrant"
"Tax and Spend"
"Far Left"
"Socialist Communist"
These are all GOP Pavlovian bells to the "base".
Reinforced dawn to dusk on radio and TV with the same smug style and 'nudge nudge' subtly of a Monty Python skit..."your wife, eh, does she go squire? eh? Know what I mean, nudge nudge?"
sellitman
(11,607 posts)Love it.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)Fuck them
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)[In 1962], a young Black novelist named William Melvin Kelley wrote a first-person piece for the Times called If Youre Woke You Dig It; No mickey mouse can be expected to follow todays Negro idiom without a hip assist. In the piece, Kelley points out that the origins of the language of then-fashionable beatnik culture words like cool and dig lay not within white America but with Black Americans, predominantly among Black jazz musicians.
Given that this oldest-known introduction of woke to the mainstream comes in a 1962 opinion piece about how white Americans are always appropriating the Black vernacular, its almost as though the word predicts its own fate.
Thats where things get really complicated and where white cultures appropriation of woke begins to dominate the conversation.
It seems, then, that the evolution of woke since 2014 is almost a direct reflection of a larger cultural evolution during the same period. Since Ferguson, the ideas and idealism behind various social justice movements have frequently been co-opted and distorted. In the case of the Black Lives Matter movement, conservatives have even reframed the protests as being a contributor to even the cause of the violent system they inherently oppose. This has typically been done through petty, disingenuous, exhausting semantic arguments, assisted by bad actors, bots, and trolls, and all of it has been done through and around the word woke.
My sense is that by woke, what people mean is a new form of being enlightened, repackaged for our modern era, she said. The Enlightenment was meant to be an era of new progressive ideas, and folks fancied themselves awakened by new ideas and knowledge. Similarly, people today who identify as woke also see themselves as having been awakened to a new set of ideas, value systems, and knowledge. The mode and the values are different, but the sensibility the idea that previously you were blind, and now you can see is the same.
That powerful concept, however, now has become either sort of kitschy or actually almost an epithet as if theres this sort of superficial, performative effort at justice, Tisby said.
Wokeness is costly, he continued. When people claim the label without enduring the difficulties that go along with truly anti-racist actions, then its in a vacuum.
In other words, while many people on the right may be disenchanted with wokeness because they see it as an upgraded form of political correctness, many people on the left may be just as frustrated with it. Thats because claiming wokeness is often about maintaining the superficial trappings of progressive idealism without doing the real work to understand and change systems of oppression.
The solution [Ive] arrived at, when someone does use a term like that as an insult, [is] to ignore the insult [and] respond to what might underlie the insult ... the bigger concern. Because the polarization is only going to be defeated by transcending the binary categories of the argument.
[link:https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy|