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In It to Win It

(8,280 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 07:25 PM Jul 2022

Louisiana woman whose water broke at 16 weeks was forced into 'painful, hours-long labor' because of

Louisiana woman whose water broke at 16 weeks was forced into 'painful, hours-long labor' because of abortion ban, lawsuit says

Insider

A Louisiana woman experiencing a miscarriage at 16 weeks of pregnancy was forced to endure a painful, bloody, and traumatizing labor and delivery, according to a sworn affidavit from her OB/GYN, after she was denied a simple 15-minute procedure due to the state's abortion ban.

"She was already traumatized from her experience and felt that an induction, which would require labor and delivery of the fetus, would be too much for her," Dr. Valerie Williams said in court documents obtained by Insider.

But the hospital's lawyer immediately told Williams she couldn't perform the D&E due to Louisiana's trigger ban.

"Going back into that hospital room and telling the patient that she would have to be induced and push out the fetus was one of the hardest conversations I've ever had," Williams said.

Williams' affidavit, filed in Louisiana's 19th Judicial District Court as part of a lawsuit against the state, offered multiple examples of how Louisiana's abortion ban that automatically took effect last month when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade have already impacted reproductive health care and directly harmed her patients.
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Louisiana woman whose water broke at 16 weeks was forced into 'painful, hours-long labor' because of (Original Post) In It to Win It Jul 2022 OP
I am confused. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #1
Probably because the fetus wasn't going to survive. iemanja Jul 2022 #7
Exactly. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #12
That doesn't make sense Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #13
The new laws don't allow doctors to treat women whose fetuses might die iemanja Jul 2022 #16
Your wife wasn't at 16 weeks gestation. Mariana Jul 2022 #20
Of course you CAN, but that's a separate question (in some states) from whether it's LEGAL. thesquanderer Jul 2022 #26
Major surgery, lots of potential for complications. Altho one assumes anesthesia would be used... Hekate Jul 2022 #14
I don't know. This sounds like a mistake Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #19
Major surgery versus, a 15 minute abortion with appropriate painkillers Hekate Jul 2022 #21
It is malpractice Sgent Jul 2022 #28
Caesarian is major surgery. Mariana Jul 2022 #18
this is sickening NJCher Jul 2022 #2
Again, I would really like to see the lawsuit end up telling the state to bugger off. TreasonousBastard Jul 2022 #3
here's my fantasy: barbtries Jul 2022 #6
These doctors will leave these states XanaDUer2 Jul 2022 #4
Doctors may go into other specialities. Older docs will retire. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #9
The disaster will continue to unfold nt XanaDUer2 Jul 2022 #10
Yes there will be many fewer docs who specialize in women's health. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #11
Or they will relocate to blue states or wnylib Jul 2022 #17
Still too risky to go to blue states. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #24
I had to be induced at 34 weeks viva la Jul 2022 #5
They will be busy with a whole lot of law suits tulipsandroses Jul 2022 #8
Kick dalton99a Jul 2022 #15
Those assholes in government are practicing medicine without a license TNNurse Jul 2022 #22
Catholics are as pro-life as nazis BOSSHOG Jul 2022 #23
not pro-life, it is forced birth Celerity Jul 2022 #25
Incredibly sad BOSSHOG Jul 2022 #27

ShazzieB

(16,497 posts)
12. Exactly.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:50 PM
Jul 2022

The fetus was doomed, and with a d&e being an unavailable option, vaginally delivery was much lower risk than a cesarian.

I'm not sure if a c-section would have been acceptable to the state anyway, because it would have involved reaching into the woman's body, putting hands on the fetus and taking it out. The way some of these laws are written is so vague that the doctors aren't sure what's legal to do and what will send them to prison for the rest if their lives.

Farmer-Rick

(10,206 posts)
13. That doesn't make sense
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jul 2022

You can still do a cesarean on a nonviable fetus. My wife had an emergency C-section because of distress to the fetus. Luckily it saved both their lives.

But they were concerned because the baby was moving, she was in labor and it was difficult to cut her. She ended up with an X as a scar.

So, I would think a fetus that is not moving would make for an easier C-section.

iemanja

(53,056 posts)
16. The new laws don't allow doctors to treat women whose fetuses might die
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:06 PM
Jul 2022

or have died. None of it makes sense, but they want to kill us.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
26. Of course you CAN, but that's a separate question (in some states) from whether it's LEGAL.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:32 PM
Jul 2022

Using cesarean to remove a non-viable fetus (which is often exactly what an abortion does) could conceivably fall under an abortion ban.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
14. Major surgery, lots of potential for complications. Altho one assumes anesthesia would be used...
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jul 2022

… for a C-section, and I’m beginning to think those cruel sons of bitches don’t offer anything for the pain and trauma of the forced vaginal-birth process.


Farmer-Rick

(10,206 posts)
19. I don't know. This sounds like a mistake
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:10 PM
Jul 2022

The woman was traumatized. Putting her under would have been better for her than an hour long labor, screaming throughout and excessive bleeding. Since the fetus would not be impacted by the anesthesia, it wouldn't complicate putting the woman under.

The fetus was only 16 weeks so it would have been small and the cut wouldn't have to be as large.

If you ask me, they should have done a C-section.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
21. Major surgery versus, a 15 minute abortion with appropriate painkillers
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jul 2022

If you ask me, they should get the hell out of women’s medicine.

As someone pointed out about Trump’s child-separation policy as implemented by Stephen Miller: “The Cruelty is the Point”

Quote from the OP:

A Louisiana woman experiencing a miscarriage at 16 weeks of pregnancy was forced to endure a painful, bloody, and traumatizing labor and delivery, according to a sworn affidavit from her OB/GYN, after she was denied a simple 15-minute procedure due to the state's abortion ban.

Hours and hours versus 15 minutes.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
28. It is malpractice
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:47 PM
Jul 2022

to perform a C-section instead of a D&E on dead tissue. Whatever kept them from doing the D&E was equally going to keep them from doing a C-section.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
6. here's my fantasy:
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 07:43 PM
Jul 2022

we pack the court so it isn't totally lopsided, and the flood of these lawsuits results in the resurrection of Roe, with a different name, but restoring the rights of women to choose what happens to their bodies.

the pre-fantasy to this is Democrats win big in November.

Irish_Dem

(47,343 posts)
9. Doctors may go into other specialities. Older docs will retire.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:16 PM
Jul 2022

They cannot ethically do their job if they have to let women die and suffer.

Irish_Dem

(47,343 posts)
11. Yes there will be many fewer docs who specialize in women's health.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jul 2022

Too risky legally and in terms of malpractice.

They also could have their licenses yanked at any time by the GOP.

Irish_Dem

(47,343 posts)
24. Still too risky to go to blue states.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jul 2022

The GOP could come to power at any time in a state. They are working on owning the voting systems every where.

The state licensing boards can be manipulated by the governor or legislature.

You are not going to spend a fortune on a medical degree and all the hard work of residencies etc., years of work, only to have some buffoon take your license away because you work in the wrong specialty.

Women are now second class citizens and helping women is not going to be a long term secure career field. The potential loss of a medical license and malpractice suits are very off putting.

Also most docs are probably not happy to have to let their patients die in front of them when they could easily save their lives. Malpractice fees are going to be sky high.

Older OB GYNs are going to retire. Younger docs will re-train and go into other specialties.
Medical students will skip OB-GYN training altogether.

Practicing any scientific based profession is going to be challenging in the new US theocracy.

viva la

(3,315 posts)
5. I had to be induced at 34 weeks
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jul 2022

It was excruciatingly painful, and I've never forgotten, though everything worked out. I can't imagine going through that while miscarrying.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
22. Those assholes in government are practicing medicine without a license
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jul 2022

and they need to be stopped. Blocking a legitimate medical procedure should not be decided by them.

BOSSHOG

(37,096 posts)
23. Catholics are as pro-life as nazis
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jul 2022

I was born and raised Catholic. I was an altar boy. I was being groomed from birth. But I fled.

The Catholic Church and the Republican Party are domestic enemies of our constitution. Veterans should take it personal.

BOSSHOG

(37,096 posts)
27. Incredibly sad
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:41 PM
Jul 2022

And they do their horrible work in a tax exempt status.

400,000 children awaiting adoption and Catholics wallow in their tax exempt self righteousness. Half a million Kansans have no health insurance because the arch bishop and republicans in the state have dragged their feet on medicaid expansion for years, while telling one and all they are pro life. 100,000 plus children go to bed hungry in Kansas every night and Catholics wallow.

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