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speak easy

(9,302 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:22 PM Jul 2022

NYT: 'No Redemption for Trumpers' - by Michelle Goldberg.

The Myth of the Good Trump Official

A central theme of the Jan. 6 hearings has been Republican redemption. A parade of Republican witnesses has testified to being pushed beyond the limits of their loyalty to Donald Trump. For some, the breaking point came when he tried to enlist them in a scheme to overturn state elections. Others revolted at the former president’s attempts to corrupt the Justice Department, or at his role in inciting an insurrection. A rioter, awakened to Trump’s lies, testified about being misled; in a poignant moment after the seventh hearing, he apologized to the Capitol Police.

Republican Representative Liz Cheney, the Jan. 6 committee’s vice chair, has been perhaps its most prominent voice. At Thursday’s prime-time hearing, the last until September, she painted die-hard believers in Trump’s big lie as noble victims. “Donald Trump knows that millions of Americans who supported him would stand up and defend our nation were it threatened,” said Cheney. “They would put their lives and their freedom at stake to protect her. And he is preying on their patriotism. He is preying on their sense of justice. And on Jan. 6, Donald Trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our Capitol and our Constitution.”

It is a sign of the committee Democrats’ love of country that they have allowed the hearings to proceed this way. They are crafting a story about Jan. 6 as a battle between Republican heroism and Republican villainy. It seems intended to create a permission structure for Trump supporters to move on without having to disavow everything they loved about his presidency, or to admit that Jan. 6 was the logical culmination of his sadistic politics.

If you believe, as I do, that Trump’s sociopathy makes him a unique threat to this country’s future, it makes sense to try to lure Republicans away from him rather than damn them for their complicity. There is a difference, however, between a smart narrative and an accurate one. In truth, you can’t cleave Trump and his most shameless antidemocratic enablers off from the rest of the Republican Party, because the party has been remade in his image. Plenty of ex-Trump officials have come off well in the hearings, including the former deputy national security adviser Matthew Pottinger, the former acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and, in video testimony, the former White House counsel Pat Cipollone. That shouldn’t erase the ignominy of having served Trump in the first place.

I have a lot of respect for Cheney, who is likely sacrificing her future in Republican politics in her attempt to hold Trump accountable, and for the bravery of witnesses like Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified despite the Trump camp’s reported attempt to intimidate her. But whatever they say now, the witnesses who worked for Trump enabled his mounting authoritarianism. Each contributed, in his or her own way, not just to Jan. 6, but also to eroding our democracy so that Jan. 6 may be just a prequel. Each helped bring us to a point where, according to a recent survey, more than half of Americans believe a civil war will erupt in the United States in the near future.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/opinion/jan-6-trump-official.html
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NYT: 'No Redemption for Trumpers' - by Michelle Goldberg. (Original Post) speak easy Jul 2022 OP
KnR Hekate Jul 2022 #1
They are horrible but just not horrible enuf to defend January 6. Funtatlaguy Jul 2022 #2
I have no interest in anything Michelle Goldberg says or writes. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #3
But Isn't THe Conundrum THe Fact That Many Testify Reluctantly Me. Jul 2022 #4
K&R brer cat Jul 2022 #5
The best they can do is improve which circle of hell they belong in n/t Silent3 Jul 2022 #6
Ok, but I have seen many DU posters say this better. Boomerproud Jul 2022 #7
Splitting off 5% of the vote from the GOP speak easy Jul 2022 #8
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #9
Just curious, Joe... Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #11
To me? The Reality of the Bad Trump Official gets no absolution from THIS party. Ever. ancianita Jul 2022 #10

Funtatlaguy

(10,886 posts)
2. They are horrible but just not horrible enuf to defend January 6.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jul 2022

Everyone has their limit.
Well, not everyone. Trump, Rudy, Bannon, for example.
But most sane Americans stop at the purposely overthrow of their country.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. But Isn't THe Conundrum THe Fact That Many Testify Reluctantly
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:28 PM
Jul 2022

that they are proud of being a con what they have done which is a puzzle for I don't know what they have done. You can't lure them if they don't want to be lure

speak easy

(9,302 posts)
8. Splitting off 5% of the vote from the GOP
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 10:20 PM
Jul 2022

nailing their candidates who won't say that Trump lost the election.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
11. Just curious, Joe...
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 01:37 AM
Jul 2022

Are you aware of her current controversy regarding Al Franken?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216951529

This is why some have no interest in her opinions and writings.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
10. To me? The Reality of the Bad Trump Official gets no absolution from THIS party. Ever.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 12:38 AM
Jul 2022

It's the typical New York Times' treatment of Republicans over decades, and Goldberg is no more hard hitting than her bosses, even if she calls him a "unique threat." He's not unique. He's the fucking symptom of this country's future.

This argument is not hard enough on Republicans as a clear and present danger to our future.

That should be ANY Americans' take on the 74 million who voted for all this -- fuck absolution -- no trust, no judgment, no good faith, religious beliefs, economic or social stands, no patriotism, bottom to top.

After four years of this pathological darkness -- fuck 'em all.

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