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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnother Way to Look at the Use of the "B" word to describe a man.
Use it on DU with reference to a woman, and the thread will be hidden by a jury.
Use it to define a man, and it is likely to be left on view.
Why? Because that word is treated as misogynistic when used to describe a woman. It is generally taken to mean that the woman in question is not a submissive person who keeps her opinions to herself. If a woman asserts herself, some will use that word to describe her.
When used to describe a man, it generally refers to a man who IS submissive and unassertive. Or one who is a coward.
That is why the word is seen by women as a slur on women in the first place, no matter how it is used. When applied to a woman, it means she is acting like a man. When applied to a man, it means that he is acting like the mistakenly stereotypical woman who is submissive and weak. In both cases, the word is insulting to women and reflects the attitudes of our patriarchal society.
It is an ugly word which actually describes a female dog, not human beings. That is the only use of the word that is not misogynistic.
LakeArenal
(28,844 posts)But I understand that words can be more hurtful than a slap. Still individual words are too often parsed and analyzed.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)And, by the way, "hysterical" is also a slur against women. You can look that up, if you like. Here's a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria
Given the number of insulting words available in the English language, a little thought will always find a suitable insult that is not gender-related, it seems to me.
Most people do not think about the underlying shades of meaning in the words they use, especially when using insulting words. They should think about that, I think.
LakeArenal
(28,844 posts)It happens all the time. My point isnt about the word hysteria. I didnt call anyone hysterical. You took the word hysteria and immediately focused on the one word. Changed the word and then called it a slur.
My son and I were watching a male comedian on TV and he was hilarious. At the end of the program we both said, "That show was absolutely hysterical."
It had nothing to do with a slur on women or a mental medical condition. We both knew what we both meant.
We all need to stop parsing every post and word on DU and focus on the big picture. Sometimes I get the impression that certain DUers are competitively trying to "outliberal" (I made that word up) each other in a way for them to feel superior in their liberalness.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,995 posts)I get really tired of having to "watch my language" and being told to do so every whipstitch because I
might offend someone". I understand the BIG OFFENDERS--the racial slurs, the ethnic slurs, that stuff. But come on, everyone, now everything is "offensive" to someone, it seems. I could probably pick a word to be offensive to me; I'm 79 and don't like being called "elderly" because I don't feel that way, but I'm not going to make a cause out of it.
Can we all stop being uptight about every single word?
llmart
(15,552 posts)Or is that going to be a word that atheists will take me to task for? LOL (FYI, I'm an atheist).
I think we just add more fuel to the other side's fire and gives them more ways to attack us on social issues. Social issues are all they really have to go on and they take that and run with it. We've lived through their denigration of political correctness and now wokeness.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)No shit. I've seen so many good posts removed, because of someone who probably didn't even get the point due to their rush to be "offended".
I've also seen other post remain in the same thread using the same word in the same context. The double standards need to go.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)talk about pedantic nonsense taken to an absurd degree
it is that type of ridiculousness that will cost us elections if adopted as official messaging
another example
'fear shaming', mentioned negatively (and rightly so) by BannonsLiver (hat tip to them)
what the absolute fuckery is that all about?
that level of ludicrous word policing and openly infantilising (omg, now I am being anti infant! /sarc off) projection is the stuff of destroying our party
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)and it just gives ammo to the MAGAts to call liberals "snowflakes".
But the worst is how it wastes time that should be spent thinking about actual problems.
PatSeg
(47,584 posts)and it often feels like people are just listening to individual words, not what is actually being said. This can end up shutting down meaningful conversation.
We all have words that we are sensitive about, but most of us don't go around correcting others because of our own personal preferences. I tend to listen more to a person's intentions and meaning, not their vocabulary choice.
I don't feel "elderly" either, but I understand that to someone in their twenties, thirties, or forties, that is what they see and at their age, I probably did as well. When I was in my fifties, I remember a very young employee referring to me as "old", which really threw me off. She meant it as a compliment though, as she didn't see me as acting or talking like an "old person".
Meanwhile, I'd like to carry on insightful, interesting conversations without feeling that my every word is up for scrutiny or censor. It would be nice if we spent more time actually listening to people, instead of always judging them.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)While the planet is burning and our democracy is hanging by a thread
WTF.
llmart
(15,552 posts)It's almost August and we have a fight against corruption from the GOP on our hands and a democracy to defend in any way possible. On a forum such as this and at this crucial time in history, we need to focus on coordinating all Democrats to find out what each of us can do to help elect more Democrats - LOTS more Democrats so we can get to work on the extremely important issues like climate change.
I believe that just recently Calimary had an excellent post about what we can be doing right now for Democrats. I bookmarked it myself because I can do more than the one thing I was already doing and I'm going down to my township hall and sign up for being a poll watcher. I'm in Michigan and it's been reported that Republicans in this state have gathered 800 people so far to be poll watchers throughout the state (or maybe it was poll workers/watchers, etc.). I haven't heard that there is a massive effort by Democrats to do the same.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)I think it's their best.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)this is actually probably my favourite DL song
and it has COWBELL
lol
DEF LEPPARD - "Let It Go" (Official Music Video)
and this song too
3 great remix videos (I am such a remix fangirl, lol)
Def Leppard - Photograph (KGM Sasha Extended Version) (the video is the dog's bollocks)
Def Leppard - Photograph (Extended Mix Re-Edit) (sledgehammer drums, love it!)
Def Leppard - Photograph (Long Wolf Remix)
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)I've never seen any of them, thanks! I think I liked the first one best.
Photograph was my favorite, until Hysteria. And of course, Animal
I did get a laugh about the cowbell, because any time cowbell and rock songs comes up I think of this MOOOving performance
It's even relevant to this thread because there are always myopic prudes who are offended by the Bob & Tom show. And will likely be "offended" by seeing the term prudes.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)Italian hardcore punk legends from 1983, on the Welcome To 1984 (a Maximumrocknroll compilation)
Raw Power - Fuck Authority
In 1983 they recorded a 19-track demo (sometimes referred as Brown Studio Tape) and two songs appeared in the Italian punk compilation, Raptus. The tape also included the song «Fuck authority», which appeared in Maximumrocknroll's international punk and hardcore compilation, Welcome to 1984.
PatSeg
(47,584 posts)I often call it "hysterical" and that has become a fairly common usage of the word.
ms liberty
(8,595 posts)arlyellowdog
(866 posts)I was joking with my sister who is 73 (Im 72) and she said something teasing me and I said, Oh, my God, youre such a bitch. Ive said it jokingly on texts to my brothers also. A funny insult word.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Others might see it differently.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)there is an automatic knee-jerk "I'm offended" reaction even when there is clearly not an intended offensive use.
I find it disappointing that those same "offended" people will use words like "dick" or "Prick" when referring to a man.
I'm personally not offended by any of those words IF the context is the behavior of the individual being insulted. But the double-standard is annoying.
Absolutely. Furthermore, I am not going to apologize for a post that I made a couple years ago when I called Trump a prick.
PatSeg
(47,584 posts)a person's intention before we pass judgment on the use of certain words. I have had words said to me in the cruelest context imaginable, but I have heard and even used those same words without any problem at all. It was the intention that made the difference.
There are a handful of words that I've never used and never will, as I can think of no harmless intention that would apply.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)(1) please provide examples of those same "offended" people using dick or prick to refer to a man. For example, I have never referred to a man using a gendered slur.
(2) using gendered/race/etc. terms as insults when those terms are inherently connected to the dominant class is not the same as using a gendered term connected to a historically discriminated against class. Are you offended by the double standard which allows colleges to create affirmative action plans to increase the number of minorities when historical discrimination can be shown - but not to increase the number of white men at the same colleges? It isn't a double standard when the gender of the insulting term is female (or when the race of the insulting term is a minority)
It doesn't matter if you are personally insulted, using bitch as an insult is misogyny. The TOS prohibit misogyny, so I expect not to encounter it here - and to have it condemned when it is used.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Sometimes the gender-identifiable word has no more significance than simply identifying who the bad-behaver is - the male or the female. It is not the point, and has the same use as saying the person in the blue shirt is the one who punched me. As opposed to the person in the red shirt.
It is NOT always about whether they are male or female, but which person the insulter is talking about.
I'll acknowledge that I've never seen you call a guy a "dick" or "prick", but I've also never seen you object to that. If you have, I apologize for missing it.
Using gendered terminology to insult BECAUSE of gender is indeed wrong, but that's not always the case and it doesn't help things to react to every use as if it were.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)I don't comment about people using white as an insult, either.
Calling Josh Hawley, specifically, a bitch (since that is what seemed to start this recent spate of misogyny) is calling him a weak, cowardly woman. That is the reason that word is being used - because it is associated with stereotypical traits asociated with women - running away from a threat.
Using a female-identified word as an insult IS misogynistic. It is not a neutral description of someone (otherwise it wouldn't be an insult). Specifically, with the word "bitch" - when directed at men is used to bring them "down" to women's level - to imply they are not real men. When directed at women, it is to call out women who are being assertive - i.e. not being silent, not deferring to the men in the room, etc.
quickesst
(6,283 posts).... and subsequent wholesale condemnation of those who use them, are short-sighted, overly rigid in their beliefs, and should concentrate more on context, rather than their own narrow view of what certain words convey.
There are certain situations where certain words are used in a mutually humorous situations that occur with male to female, female to male, male to male, or female to female. Believe me, if anyone who takes offense at certain words no matter the context were to butt into a humorous situation occurring between two consenting parties, they would probably be told In not so PC words, to " go f__k themselves", but if another man called my wife a b****, he would find himself staring up at the ceiling in a daze, and wondering what just happened. If a woman were to call my wife a b****, well, she would take care of that herself, and I would just stay out of the way.
There are certain words and phrases, given the size of the population, and the diversity of individuals, that will never be accepted under a specific, or narrow definition. It is an uphill battle for the wrong reasons, and the top of the hill is nowhere in sight.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)But just try saying that as a white person to a black person.
When people call a man the b word not in jest, it is meant to infer that they are like a woman, and not in a good way.
There's a world of difference, and you know it.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Immediately and with feeling.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I can hardly think of a woman in my life who has never referred to some other woman (and sometimes men) as a bitch. My grandma's generation, no, but they're long passed.
I guess when a woman says it, they don't mean 'not a submissive person who keeps her opinions to herself', they mean 'this chick was mean to me/bugs me in some way'.
So it's entirely different, and obviously no man could EVER use it in the same way as women use it, entirely acceptably, on a regular basis.
I've taken to using the word 'dick' when describing females who are being really mean.
Just so people know that I 'know the rules'.
Which is to say ... pejoratives specific to MALES ... pretty much A-OK in all cases.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)it seems to me.
And speaking of "dick," my middle name is Richard. That is what people called me in my youth, since I share my full name with my father. So, I was "Richard" to prevent misunderstandings I have always objected to being called "Dick." That dates back to when I was 5 years old and a neighbor woman called me "Dickie." I said, quite pointedly, "My name is Richard!" At 5 years old, I knew that calling someone a "dick" was an insult, and wouldn't have it.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)"Steve wasn't really mad, he just wanted something to bitch about"
Where the context makes it quite clear that it refers to 'complaining', which is an accepted definition of the word.
Is the verb form just as horrific as the noun form, used as a direct insult?
Am I signaling my lack of virtue if I use it in this capacity from time to time?
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)It's the same thing, really. There are many suitable synonyms that can be used instead.
Again, it is used because it fits the stereotype some have of women as whiny complainers. That's why it's used in that way.
How about using "complaining" or "grousing" or whatever other synonym? Shades of meaning.
llmart
(15,552 posts)we're not writing a PhD thesis on our DU posts. Some of us don't have the time or inclination to sit around and ponder everything we post on DU, with a thesaurus and dictionary on hand to make sure we have found the perfect word to express our outrage.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,995 posts)Can we just STOP being offended over every little word?Jaysus, people! Get a grip already.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)That's all they are. Words. Words which can, and have changed in meaning and use over time. I for one can find plenty to be offended over without having to hang on every word spoken. I highly recommend Netflix "The history of swear words" See how they started, what they originally meant, how that meaning changed over time and how they were used then and now. This tenancy to take EVERYTHING to extremes is completely unproductive and serves no purpose. Just ask the Me Too movement what going overboard gets you.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)I couldn't agree more.
Polybius
(15,475 posts)I would have thought that that slang term didn't start until the late 60's.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)That has been around for a very long time.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)You call a male soldier a bitch, you are insulting him. He's weak and inferior. In other words, he's a woman. And its not because of how he is acting. Its because the greatest insult to a military man is to call him a woman. So, over and over, the military reinforces the idea that women are inferior.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Sympthsical
(9,108 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I don't like the smell.
Sympthsical
(9,108 posts)So I'm always happy to see when someone else likes that, too.
Bobstandard
(1,328 posts)Both usages are pretty indefensible.
I heard it used positively once. On a walk one day my Kerry Blue Terrier, one of a notoriously loud breed, was yap, yap, yapping at just about anything when we ran into a woman walking three Kerries of her own. We stopped to chat. Regarding my dog Mimi admiringly, in a broad English accent she said, oh and shes a mouthy bitch, isnt she?
mucifer
(23,564 posts)t shirt that says
Feminist
She Devil
Vegan
If it had a line on it for bitch I would have bought it .
I remember being at the women's march and someone offered me a vegan leaflet and I pointed to the shirt I was wearing and she started cracking up.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)I apologize if that offended anyone, but damn, don't we have more pressing concerns right now? We can resume all the handwringing and circular firing when our democracy is secure.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I'm simply explaining why many people object to that word. You can make of what I wrote whatever you wish, of course.
ismnotwasm
(42,006 posts)Without rancor. Its meaning changes, it can be negative or positive depending on who it using it. Ive seen women activists say things like And thats why you dont get no bitches dawg when referring to terrible men and misogynistic behavior. The speaker is not using either word bitches or dawg to degrade, but to describe a situation.
When using it as a misogynistic/homophobic reference, as youve said here, another word should be used probably. I like potato, personally.
My female German Shepherd likes water and mud puddles I let her cool down after activity in a couple favorites she has. I got her some bling that says Muddy Bitch in hot pink. Its technically the truth lol.
Jerry2144
(2,110 posts)I've used that term to describe complaining about something petty. similar to "piss and moan" about something. But you're right, even in that connotation or context it is demeaning, degrading, and potentially misogynistic since it is negative. I guess griping would be the best word to substitute.
Thanks for opening my eyes - another word I shall strike from my use. I don't even like to use it for a female canine.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)but is generally worthwhile, I believe.
Walleye
(31,045 posts)Do you want to hear misogyny listen to what Matt Gaetz said the other night. A lot of it is in the intent, not the words. I find there is much more misogyny in the Supreme Court ruling and they didnt use any offensive words
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)They subtly affect our thinking in ways we don't always recognize.
Walleye
(31,045 posts)IjustDontlikeRepugs
(636 posts)Hes an asshole. Is that word still ok? Lol
Walleye
(31,045 posts)Just using the odd offensive word is not our problem. Women know real misogyny when we see it
Talitha
(6,613 posts)Hey, you hurt my sphincter's feelings!
IjustDontlikeRepugs
(636 posts)Im sorry. Im a pain in the ass.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)wrong with that!
G_j
(40,370 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Is mocking Hawley for running away fear shaming him? He was in fear for his life and took appropriate action by running away. Should people mock that?
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Though I dont see that distinction being made by those who are attempting to make the fear shaming point in the other thread.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)It's not "fear shaming" when you get mocked for creating your disaster. What's with all this "shaming" BS? And we wonder why dems are labeled s snowflakes offended by EVERYTHING.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)Some of these responses are pollyanna and sickening. The pomposity and arrogance has made me not want to come here anymore. I'd rather be called a bad name then be shot in the freaking head. There are some delusional people on this site without a doubt that have not experienced what real threats and violence are all about.
I apologize if I offended anyone, but I've dealt with real violence my whole life including being shot.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Im in the pretty much anything goes camp when it comes to attacking modern trumpublicans.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)He ran like a coward. He could have walked across that hallway in safety. He is a hypocrite. "like a bitch" are entirely the wrong words to use to describe what he did.
It's like saying some man made some other man "his bitch." In saying that, what someone is implying that the second man was made into a subservient sex slave. Again, it insults women in general, and reveals that the person speaking thinks that is the role of a woman.
Words carry a lot of meaning. That makes it important to think about the words we use, it seems to me.
Elessar Zappa
(14,046 posts)Did someone say that on this site?
Jilly_in_VA
(9,995 posts)Now I'm gonna mock one of the most important organs in your body!
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Im offended!
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Ziggysmom
(3,410 posts)Below is a link to the JMU paper. I've come to especially agree with these paragraphs in the conclusion:
"The normalizing of bitch indicates the lack of imagination that results from living under conditions of entrenched inequalities. Why is bitch a preferred tool of womens empowerment? That women would rather call themselves or other women bitchesrather than feministssuggests that domination and subordination have become the only legitimate options in U.S. society. Even if women who proclaim themselves bitches could be taken seriously, that would hardly be a feminist solu- tion; wed have women divided into the categories of bitches (honorary men) and doormats (all other women). Sound familiar?
A woman who enjoys the honorary status of man by using bitch may have fun with the girls or win temporary acceptance from the guys. But this individual gain ultimately is part of a collective loss for women. That women use bitch re- inforces the idea that women are essentially different from men, and in a negative way: men may act like jerks, but women are bitches. And only men who act like women (members of the subordinate category) will be accused of bitching. Wom- en using mens pejoratives for women is flattering to men; at the same time, those terms legitimate sexist ideas about women."
https://www.jmu.edu/socanth/sociology/wm_library/ezzell.reclaiming_critical_analysis.pdf
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Widespread common use has lessened the meaning of The B-Word.
As with most words, I wish people would look at the entire context before automatically being "offended". And those who are offended should also refrain from calling men "dicks" or other gender terms. If they're genuinely offended, that is.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Wouldn't hurt if we did that.
ForgedCrank
(1,782 posts)find the use of such words to be quite insensitive, it tells me more about the person using it than the person they are referring to with such words.
They are generally either someone I wouldn't care to be around, or simply someone who hasn't really given this much thought.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)from what we say is a good idea. There are always better words one can use to insult someone.
imaginary girl
(863 posts)Triloon
(506 posts)bright and early on it's Sunday morning patrol.
Here they are with their aloof and superior attitude, arrogantly believing that lesser persons need the meanings of common words explained.
Yes, insults are insulting. Duh.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)before they can wrestle with pigs
The F-word can only be used once in a PG-13 movie.
I propose a similar quota: One bad word per annum per member
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Triloon
(506 posts)Always happy to help.
What I find fascinating is the very intense, visceral reaction to a word followed by yet another very lengthy thread about the word.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)Response to Triloon (Reply #48)
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radicalleft
(480 posts)Something that the OP is very proficient at...
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)such as "climbing that steep hill was a real bitch."
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Why? I have no idea. I'll think about that.
Red Mountain
(1,737 posts)without being offensive. Sigh.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,167 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)When my hip, young, and openly gay next door neighbor wants me to come over for a cigarette and chat, he'll text me, and it often goes something like this ..
Ryan: F*g?
Me: Mmmm yeah, I'd love to come over for a f*g!
Ryan: I bet you would, sl*t!
Me: You wish, bish!
It's just between the two of us in a private communication, how we talk sometimes to amuse ourselves.
Bearing in mind that I'm hetero-flexible myself ... do I need to refuse to engage in this way, out of like principle or something?
Or maybe practice self-flagellation (or similar penance) afterwards?
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)bahboo
(16,355 posts)you will hear the term bitch used extensively...and creatively.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Have heard it many times. My guess is those who are most invested in telling people they cant use this word dont have a lot of gay friends, though. And if they do, you know they sure as hell arent correcting them when they say it.
LiberalFighter
(51,081 posts)The b doesn't do that.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)In another thread someone attempted to make the case suck is offensive. As in this movie sucks.
PatSeg
(47,584 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,081 posts)PatSeg
(47,584 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,995 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)is that you must be the most cool headed and relaxed person. Your responses to everyone who isn't necessarily in agreement with you seem so calm and measured.
I wish I was like that. I'm usually quick to anger.
Oh, and I'm one who doesn't necessarily agree, but I can see your point. And I'll take it into consideration.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)That's fine with me. I learn from everyone and I'm not in a popularity contest here.
It's the discussion that interests me, so...
Thanks for your kind words.
gay texan
(2,471 posts)Man, check out the bitchin' paint on that Chevy G10!!!
LakeArenal
(28,844 posts)gay texan
(2,471 posts)Awesome van! get some side pipes, some Cragar ss rims, with some T/A's and youll have one bitchin sled!
I miss those days.....
Iggo
(47,565 posts)And when you dont, your message gets gobbled up by the thing that will kill our movement, the Democrats weapon of choice for suicide: The Tone Argument.
So have at it, kids!
jalan48
(13,883 posts)word, and all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)the OTT word policing (such as people going off about how the word 'sucks' is misogynistic) is an insidious distraction by design
it is a divide et impera gambit launched from within
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Those who use it know exactly what it means.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)I dont necessarily pre-think the exact words Im using when insulting someone.
An insult is an insult and the worse thing I do is throw in lots of f bombs etc. 🙂
I dont insult someone who doesnt deserve it and thats my only rule really. If someone calls me a bitch my reply is a thank you for the compliment. Pisses them off they dont get to me. I know I have thicker skin than most though.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)People use words without thinking. More's the pity.
nini
(16,672 posts)and wouldn't dream of doing that.
My take is I don't want to be looked on as some fragile female that can be offended by someone's words - that is giving someone power over me in my opinion. Again I have a tougher skin than most.
I had this discussion with a coworker once and she is not as tough as I am so she didn't agree with me. And that's ok because our early years were different etc. One's upbringing etc. plays a part in all this stuff and it's not a one size fits all view.
That being said,, yes we should all be more aware of different opinions - including myself.
edbermac
(15,945 posts)When dealing with Republicans I just cant help but curse.
William769
(55,147 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)End of story.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)To Ron DeSantis? I sure do. I remember them being told it was offensive, but they doubled down, week after week, until one or two got hidden. Then the other guy, slinked quietly off, and pretended he never used that slur. Do you remember? I sure do. These posts have quietly sunsetted into never happened land. But I remember.