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Greg Sargent
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Three counties in PA are refusing to certify primary voting results.
This is the "latest attempt by conservative-leaning counties to disrupt, delay or meddle with the process of statewide election certification."
NYT reports on a new threat to democracy:
Election workers scanning ballots last month in Lancaster, Pa. The county and two others have refused to process certain absentee ballots, which has delayed the states certification of its primary results.
nytimes.com
A Hidden New Threat to U.S. Elections
Some Republican-led counties are refusing to certify election results a move that could throw American democracy into chaos if it becomes widespread.
5:09 AM · Jul 24, 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/us/politics/county-election-certify.html
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Its been more than nine weeks since the Pennsylvania primary. The election is still not certified.
The reason: Three counties Berks, Fayette and Lancaster are refusing to process absentee ballots that were received in a timely manner and are otherwise valid, except the voter did not write a date on the declaration printed on the ballots return envelope.
The Pennsylvania attorney general has argued in court amid a lawsuit against those three counties that the state will not certify results unless they include every ballot lawfully cast in that election (emphasis theirs).
The standoff in Pennsylvania is the latest attempt by conservative-leaning counties to disrupt, delay or otherwise meddle with the process of statewide election certification, a normally ceremonial administrative procedure that became a target of Donald Trumps attempts to subvert the 2020 contest.
Its happened in other states, too. Earlier this year, Otero County, a rural conservative area in southern New Mexico, refused to certify its primary election, citing conspiracy theories about voting machines, though no county commissioner produced evidence to legitimize their concerns.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)TOLD YA
TOLD YA
TOLD YA
TOLD YA
TOLD YA
TOLD YA
You see, it WONT MATTER how many of us vote, will it! But at a MINIMUM we better fucking ALL VOTE!
No more NOSE HOLDING
Novara
(5,851 posts)Anybody could see this a mile away. This is going to happen in any election where a R is losing.
Yet Manchin and Sinema will protect the filibuster and not voting rights.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)AND from the top down
Arazi
(6,829 posts)And not in November.
We need these shenanigans litigated and put to rest/stopped asap
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)their candidate loses in Nov, they will do this.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)We should just leave out the results of those conservative "right-leaning" counties.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)tinrobot
(10,914 posts)He wanted to have the military seize the ballots in swing states. Of course, he would do the counting.
Sky Jewels
(7,135 posts)They need to be stopped once and for all.
LiberalFighter
(51,070 posts)because they say they do shoddy work?
Silent3
(15,261 posts)...not just the violent street trash, that would have put a big damper on this sort of shit.
But, no, it would be wrong for the DoJ to have moved that fast, and we need to be "patient".
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Take it to Supreme Court ?
Takket
(21,620 posts)what problem does dating the ballot solve? obviously signing it should be done. but dating doesn't seem to add any sort of security to the process.
BumRushDaShow
(129,411 posts)Because it was included in the state law - Act-77 -
Section 6. Section 1306(a) introductory paragraph and (1) and (b) of the act are amended and the section is amended by adding a subsection to read:
Section 1306. Voting by Absentee Electors.--(a) Except as provided in paragraphs [(1),] (2) and (3), at any time after receiving an official absentee ballot, but on or before [five o'clock P.M. on the Friday prior to] eight o'clock P.M. the day of the primary or election, the elector shall, in secret, proceed to mark the ballot only in black lead pencil, indelible pencil or blue, black or blue-black ink, in fountain pen or ball point pen, and then fold the ballot, enclose and securely seal the same in the envelope on which is printed, stamped or endorsed "Official Absentee Ballot." This envelope shall then be placed in the second one, on which is printed the form of declaration of the elector, and the address of the elector's county board of election and the local election district of the elector. The elector shall then fill out, date and sign the declaration printed on such envelope. Such envelope shall then be securely sealed and the elector shall send same by mail, postage prepaid, except where franked, or deliver it in person to said county board of election.
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IMHO (and even in a federal court's opinion) it's irrelevant if the ballot is received on time. But this particular law that was suddenly drafted and passed out of nowhere {pre-pandemic and pre-2020 primary) implemented what became "no-excuse absentee ballots", and that was primarily done in exchange for getting rid of straight-party tickets (a voting option that many Democrats in urban areas used to make it easier to come in, vote, and go quickly).
Little did they know that "no-excuse absentee" (mail-in) ballots would be a perfect option during the pandemic as a way to keep the franchise without having to deal with major poll location cuts and staffing issues, which happened everywhere, and was very acute here in Philly, where they opened only about 1/4 of the normal ("in-person" ) polling locations (188 vs 830) during the (delayed) 2020 primary that ended up happening in June instead of April. That primary was the first "test" of this new option and the response was unprecedented but obviously caused a lot of GOP hand-wringing because by golly, Democrats were.... wait for it... VOTING.
So they had to find any way they could to suddenly target and try to throw out what THEY unanimously passed (save for 1 (R) and 1 (D) legislative vote) - especially after the 2020 general election results. Their effort to repeal this has been thwarted by the (D) governor. So looking at technicalities like signatures, dates, or what was dubbed "naked ballots" (completed absentee ballots not sealed in the provided "inner secrecy envelope" before placing in the main outer envelope).
bluestarone
(17,027 posts)Piece by piece we ALL see it happening. They KNOW they will lose popular vote, so THIS is the ONLY way they can win. Be ready to fight and shut the country down if needed.
newdayneeded
(1,957 posts)Certifying races where the Trumper won? Funny how that works!
Takket
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since apparently you can ignore laws if 3 SCOTUS judges dissent, i guess that means abortion is legal everywhere again!!!!!!!!
Nevilledog
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Marc E. Elias
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This is one of the arguments the GOP-controlled county boards in PA are making👇
The 3rd Circuit panels decision in Migliori was wrongly decided. 3 justices of the United States Supreme Court opined that the Third Circuit panels decision in Migliori is very likely incorrect.
Marc E. Elias
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To see the future of election subversion, look at Pennsylvania today. More than a month after the recent primary election, three counties are still refusing to certify accurate results. These counties offer a preview of what to expect in the future.
https://democracydocket.com/news/a-constitutional-crisis-is-brewing-in-pennsylvania/
4:08 PM · Jul 24, 2022
Cha
(297,586 posts)I remember it already happened in an Arizona County and didn't a Federal Judge order them to count the votes and they finally acquiesced?
Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)Making it more difficult for people to vote.
He incredulously asked me Who?
When I proceeded to point out all the ways his side was doing it, he went mostly silent.
This was a guy I had to ride in a semi for a whole day who insisted on playing right-wing radio the entire fucking time. When it got to Ben Shapiro with his Whitney, fast talking boy-man voice yapping in my ear, I finally told him to shut off the fucking radio or let me out.
They are delusional and purposefully so.
Chainfire
(17,620 posts)They intend to have it all worked out in time for the next elections. One more reason that Trump needs to be convicted and sooner rather than later. Republicans will keep pushing their line forward until we put a stop to it. Better it be in the courts than the streets.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)This is because the far right candidate didnt win? Sore losers. Then they probably had the nerve to say Hillary didnt accept the 2016 election results!
Mousetoescamper
(3,260 posts)But Lancaster city is blue. Our mayor, city council and state representative are Democrats. I want to make that distinction because I love this city and don't want it to be lumped together with the Republicant (stet) controlled county.