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Beachnutt

(7,345 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 01:49 PM Jul 2022

Marjorie Taylor Greene Asks Why Kids Are Getting Monkeypox if It's an STD

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Asks Why Kids Are Getting Monkeypox if It's an STD
Monkeypox is rapidly spreading throughout the globe. Since May, there have been 16,836 recorded cases across 74 countries, as of July 22, according to the CDC. The World Health Organization has declared the outbreak a global health emergency,
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https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-asks-why-kids-getting-monkeypox-std-1727634

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Asks Why Kids Are Getting Monkeypox if It's an STD (Original Post) Beachnutt Jul 2022 OP
Marjorie Taylor Green *is* an STD durablend Jul 2022 #1
*This* ananda Jul 2022 #15
Because Matt Gaetz really gets around MacKasey Jul 2022 #2
Probably because of dirty old republican men. Emile Jul 2022 #3
And the republican congressional orgies Beachnutt Jul 2022 #4
Yikes! Mike Nelson Jul 2022 #5
Because it's not an STD, idiot. No more than Chicken Pox is. haele Jul 2022 #6
Monkeypox is related to cowpox and smallpox, not chickenpox LeftInTX Jul 2022 #17
Because the CDC is proving it can screw up guidance on other diseases, too Sympthsical Jul 2022 #7
They've really screwed this one up. Treefrog Jul 2022 #8
One thing I found interesting: LeftInTX Jul 2022 #11
To Be Fair RobinA Jul 2022 #16
Leave it to Greene to ask the most stupid questions... Caliman73 Jul 2022 #9
Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #10
I was wondering how long it was going to take for her to say that. eShirl Jul 2022 #12
OMG I agree with MTG alphafemale Jul 2022 #13
I believe it is spread via contact, a bit like herpes LeftInTX Jul 2022 #14
True. And sex is about as physical contact as you can get. alphafemale Jul 2022 #19
Exactly LeftInTX Jul 2022 #20
Science-ignorant doofus says what? Trailrider1951 Jul 2022 #18

Mike Nelson

(9,970 posts)
5. Yikes!
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:03 PM
Jul 2022

... Wow! She's smarter than I expected... thought she would wonder why human are getting it, since it's called Monkeypox. I guess Marjorie was a science major!

haele

(12,682 posts)
6. Because it's not an STD, idiot. No more than Chicken Pox is.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jul 2022

Just because some jerkwad freak decided to irresponsibly infect a bunch of people in a sex club/party/whatever doesn't mean he was patient 0.
Monkey Pox can be caught handling infected exotic animals (Sugar Gliders, Prairie Dogs, as well as Capuchin Monkeys and Lemurs), so it could just as easily be passed by kids or parents who attended a circus or zoo petting area where there was an infected animal.

The GQP want Monkey Pox to be considered an STD; that way they can blame liberals for "grooming" when kids start bringing it to school in the fall.

Haele

LeftInTX

(25,587 posts)
17. Monkeypox is related to cowpox and smallpox, not chickenpox
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jul 2022

Chickenpox (herpes) can be spread via watery nasal discharge which precedes the rash.

Smallpox is only contagious via lesions. However smallpox lesions are all over the body and in the mouth, and pus from oral blisters goes airborne. Hence smallpox is more contagious than cowpox because the cowpox lesions aren't known to be in the mouth generally only on the hands. (Well I guess if cowpox lesions get in the mouth, the pustules could also become airborne) I think the old milkmaids just didn't "get around" too much!

Sympthsical

(9,124 posts)
7. Because the CDC is proving it can screw up guidance on other diseases, too
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:08 PM
Jul 2022

Monkeypox is spread by close contact with someone who has it. The CDC noted that the primary spread in the U.S. has been men who have sex with men. Which would track, as sex is a form of close contact. If you're having sex with lots of different people, you're increasing your risk of exposure. And, well, my community has a lot more sex than others. Grindr doesn't populate itself.

But the CDC led with that without putting an exclamation point on how and why it spreads. They wanted to warn the gay community - prudent - without giving the most weight to modes of transmission - less prudent.

So now, there is a lot of misinformation floating about it and a lot of people do think it's an STD. Comparisons to the early rise of HIV and AIDS have been worming their way through the media, further cementing the impression in people's minds.

Reporting on this has been irresponsible, and the CDC hasn't helped. While I trust the scientists to understand these things, I'm starting to wonder if the press office there needs a thorough cleaning out. They didn't do any favors with their Covid mask fiasco, and they aren't acquitting themselves terribly well here.

(None of this makes MTG less of a perfect idiot, however).

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
8. They've really screwed this one up.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jul 2022

People think it's a "gay" disease.

Very irresponsible, and I haven't forgotten the mask fiasco either.

LeftInTX

(25,587 posts)
11. One thing I found interesting:
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:28 PM
Jul 2022

They don't want to bring back the old "cowpox" smallpox vaccines that everyone in the US born before 1972 received.

The smallpox vaccine is effective against monkeypox.

However, the scab that formed had the potential to spread cowpox.

Who knew?

Also the live vaccine has risks in immunocompromised individuals.

However, some cases of cowpox appear to be problematic. You can find a graphic image here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowpox

Cowpox disease, which is evident in cows from ulcers on the teats, had been known as a disease of cows for hundreds of years; human cowpox occurred as a self-contained localized ulcer on the hands or at other sites where scratches or abrasions allowed entry of the virus. (In other words: Sounds like cowpox was spread like herpes)


Whether we have have lifetime immunity to smallpox is debatable. A vaccinated researcher died along with two others in 1978. (UK)
However, the NYT article indicates that most of us have lifetime immunity.

I have no idea how contagious smallpox actually was, I always thought it was airborne like measles. However, cowpox was spread mostly by contact.
“Before Jenner had developed the smallpox vaccine, the number one cause of blindness in the world was smallpox,” said Mark Slifka, an immunologist at Oregon Health and Science University. Infected people are contagious until the pustules scab over and slough off, he said.
Maybe smallpox was more contagious than cowpox because lesions were all over the body?

Interesting article. Who is Protected Against Monkeypoxhttps://archive.ph/jb5fw#selection-703.0-703.272

In March 2007, a 2-year-old Indiana boy and his mother contracted a life-threatening vaccinia infection from the boy's father.[30] The boy developed the telltale rash over 80 percent of his body after coming into close contact with his father, who was vaccinated for smallpox before being deployed overseas by the United States Army. The United States military resumed smallpox vaccinations in 2002. The child acquired the infection due to eczema, which is a known risk factor for vaccinia infection. The boy was treated with intravenous immunoglobulin, cidofovir, and Tecovirimat (ST-246), a (then) experimental drug developed by SIGA Technologies.[31] On April 19, 2007, he was sent home with no after effects except for possible scarring of the skin.[30]

In 2010, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that a woman in Washington had contracted vaccinia virus infection after digital vaginal contact with her boyfriend, a military member who had recently been vaccinated for smallpox. The woman had a history of childhood eczema, but she had not been symptomatic as an adult. The CDC indicated that it was aware of four similar cases in the preceding 12 months of vaccinia infection after sexual contact with a recent military vaccinee.[32] Further cases—also in patients with a history of eczema—occurred in 2012.[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinia

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
16. To Be Fair
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jul 2022

to the CDC, you couldn't pay me enough to try to explain to science illiterates (most of the US population) something above, say, a fifth grade level concept. Not that the CDC is unflawed, but take a minute to think about their task! My radio news source (general news radio) has been saying for a month that monkeypox is not a sexually transmitted disease and that they aren't sure why it is currently mostly in the gay male population. To anybody with half a brain, hearing that would lead that person to speculate that there's a good chance that it will eventually break out of that population. Unfortunately for anyone trying to educate the population on anything harder than 2+2=4 (the CDC, for example), most of us seem to be functioning with less than half a brain these days.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
9. Leave it to Greene to ask the most stupid questions...
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jul 2022

The virus is certainly spread through sexual contact, but just like HIV and other viruses, sexual contact isn't the only method of spread.

You know, some random person on the street, being confused about this newish disease, is understandable, but Greene, unfortunately, is a political leader. The fact that she is so morally and intellectually stupid, does her district, State, and this country a great disservice.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
13. OMG I agree with MTG
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:56 PM
Jul 2022

Broken clock, I guess.

It is not an STD and we do not need to give the right wing a reason to vilify gay men again.

Though, I realize this is not her reasoning, by any means, it is the same conclusion.

LeftInTX

(25,587 posts)
14. I believe it is spread via contact, a bit like herpes
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:10 PM
Jul 2022

At least that is how many pox viruses are believed to be spread

I can't figure out whether smallpox was truly airborne or contact spread. Keep in mind that smallpox produces lesions all over the body. And lesions appear to be the source of smallpox spread. Smallpox also produces oral lesions and lesions in the throat, so I guess the ooze of those blisters go airborne....

Monkeypox is more like cowpox and produces a limited amount of lesions, hence it is more contact based.


Smallpox Transmission

Transmission occurred through inhalation of airborne Variola virus, usually droplets expressed from the oral, nasal, or pharyngeal mucosa of an infected person. It was transmitted from one person to another primarily through prolonged face-to-face contact with an infected person, usually, within a distance of 1.8 m (6 feet), but could also be spread through direct contact with infected bodily fluids or contaminated objects (fomites) such as bedding or clothing. Rarely, smallpox was spread by virus carried in the air in enclosed settings such as buildings, buses, and trains.[30] The virus can cross the placenta, but the incidence of congenital smallpox was relatively low.[32] Smallpox was not notably infectious in the prodromal period and viral shedding was usually delayed until the appearance of the rash, which was often accompanied by lesions in the mouth and pharynx. The virus can be transmitted throughout the course of the illness, but this happened most frequently during the first week of the rash when most of the skin lesions were intact.[31] Infectivity waned in 7 to 10 days when scabs formed over the lesions, but the infected person was contagious until the last smallpox scab fell off.[62]

Smallpox was highly contagious, but generally spread more slowly and less widely than some other viral diseases, perhaps because transmission required close contact and occurred after the onset of the rash. The overall rate of infection was also affected by the short duration of the infectious stage. In temperate areas, the number of smallpox infections was highest during the winter and spring. In tropical areas, seasonal variation was less evident and the disease was present throughout the year.[31] Age distribution of smallpox infections depended on acquired immunity. Vaccination immunity declined over time and was probably lost within thirty years.[32] Smallpox was not known to be transmitted by insects or animals and there was no asymptomatic carrier state.[31]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
19. True. And sex is about as physical contact as you can get.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jul 2022

I am sure that may make spread easier.

But young children also require close physical contact through bathing and whatnot.

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