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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt was a miracle more Trump voters were not shot on Jan 6th.
I did notice when the one Trump voter was shot to death all the Trump voters who were smashing in the door ran like hell.
The police showed great restraint, maybe they shouldn't have. I am not saying they should have opened fire and killed scores of Trump voters. I am saying in a few situations deadly force would have been justified.
I imagine if Trump voters got any closer to Pence and the members of congress there would be more dead Trump voters.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)If police had implemented "Castle Doctrine" at it's oldest and most basic, barricaded themselves inside the castle walls, and defended those windows and doors with lethal force, the Capitol would not have been over-run.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)thomski64
(456 posts)..over and over, but No one could hear
me, yelling at my TV...
usonian
(9,885 posts)The USCP were set up to fail, and I suspect, by some in their own ranks.
A f---ing miracle that democracy survived, including traitors among the legislators.
I think that DOJ is investigating things that the 1/6 committee is keeping its hands away from, because it might harm the cases to be tried.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16957864
"What about":
Congresspeople leading the coup on the ground.
The pipe bomber
Breaking every known records retention and handling of classified information law (including sending it off to Russia, which is espionage and treason)
Coordinating the fake elector scheme.
Coordinating the camouflaged assault with intent to commit mayhem on public officials, using idiots as cover.
More ....
These are extremely serious and we heard basically ZERO about them, so that must be the coordination with DOJ. You can't work up these cases in a public hearing. Prejudicial to a case? They are criminal charges.
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)we both agreed even though we are not youngins...we would fight to the death for our country. Fuck them, they can't take our Republic...I would see them in hell first.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)This old Marine still has a lot of fight in him and I would take as many of these traitorous POS with me as I could.
Most of these POS's have never seen a shot fired in anger, nor experienced actual combat, unless you count the video games they play and think are real, they would flee at the first round fired at them.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)If I was a police officer that day I don't know if I could have held back from opening fire on those traitors, especially if I saw fellow police being beaten to death.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)From one veteran to another veteran,
Thank you for your service.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)samnsara
(17,636 posts)..and I've participated in Glock competitions.
They think we are marshmallows...
LiberalFighter
(51,094 posts)They would have used lethal force.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)were being too reserved in their use of force. A few dead insurrectionists who were trying to break into the Capitol might well have ended things much earlier.
I did observe, though, that things slowed down considerably when that one woman was shot and killed. That seemed to take the wind right out of some of the insurrectionists' sails.
For me, the entire riot seemed to be a deadly threat to Congress members and staffers. I believe it warranted the use of deadly force in some cases. That's especially true because the LEOs were stretched far too thin. In hindsight, there should have been a much larger defensive force at the Capitol. Had there been, things would not have gone the way they did. But, the Trump administration worked very hard to keep the defenders at a minimum, and refused to reinforce them for a very long time.
Many mistakes were made, probably on the orders of superiors.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)As terrible as it was, it could have been so much worse.
bottomofthehill
(8,347 posts)The USCP were not authorized to use lethal force unless there is/was a danger to human life. It sounds odd in that situation, but it is a best practice. When Ashley Babbitt was shot, the Lt who discharged his weapon saw her as a direct threat to the safety of the Members of Congress who were still in the House Chamber and thus he was not charged for the shooting. He was investigated by his department, metropolitan police and the justice department and all found it a clean shoot. Police officers are held to a much higher standard than the castle doctrine or stand your ground. Most of the asshole insurrectionists that have been arrested to date have been charged with misdemeanors. They were fucking assholes, but it is hard to execute people for that.
In hind sight, I wish that the USCP had greater access to non-lethal weapons outside the building. Better bulk distribution of CS and Pepper Spray, fire hoses, and more men and women ready for the insane battle that took place.
The use of lethal force has to be a last resort at all times. The Lt fired 1 round, he hit what he shot at. He did not shoot into the crowd, he did not empty his weapon. He followed his general orders and his training and took the protective action that was necessary to keep further loss of life from occurring.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)There were a few situations where police officers were being beaten to near death. That justified lethal force. It shocking more police did not open fire like the officer who shot Babbit did. I think a lot of them were ready to. They held back.
Higherarky
(637 posts)there'd been a whoooooooole lot more casualties.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)emulatorloo
(44,186 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)They would have never gotten past those first flimsy barriers. As soon as they threatened to go past them a dozen or more would have been shot. The Capitol would have never been touched by the first protestor.
And we would have heard 24 hours a day from FOX about how you are just asking for it if you disobey a command from a police officer.
emulatorloo
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election.
HAB911
(8,915 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,694 posts)But given the way BLM protesters were treated, I believe skin color of the insurrectionist had a lot to do with them ending up in jail instead of coffins.
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)MichMan
(11,974 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)He had already informed his people not to interfere with the "mob of protesters".
I think it may have been much worse if they had opened fire on the mob.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)I heard a guy say "That was just a flash/bang." I haven't heard the audio from that video since. I have never seen a video of the rioters running from the scene after the shot.
gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)IMHO more deserved it though.
Novara
(5,851 posts)... in addition to following orders, if they were monitoring radio traffic from other agencies like the SS they knew the traitors were armed. And they knew they were vastly outnumbered. I am sure they did not want a bloodbath on the Capitol floors. If the mob "won" the firefight, everyone in that building - especially the people they protect - would have been in immediate mortal danger.
I really do wonder why the mob didn't fire on the police. We knew many of them were armed.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)Weve gotten to where we are as a country because its the Trumpsters who are doing all the shooting, and the rest of us who are doing all the dying.
I think its high time we reverse that particular algorithm