Trump-tied conservatives are 15 states away from an unprecedented re-write of the Constitution

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Conservatives are just 15 states away from an unprecedented gathering that could re-write large parts of the US Constitution and fundamentally change American life.

With Congress' initiative, the US Constitution has been amended 27 times. But never before has the core American document been amended through a state-led process — the second track that the founders created under Article V of the Constitution.

Conservatives are frustrated by Democrats' control of Washington and — even when Republicans are in charge — the growing size of government.

"The idea of states coming together is going to scare the living hell out of Washington," state Rep. Bill Taylor of South Carolina, who led his state's push to pass a call for a convention, told Insider. "They are going to be terrified of the states."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tied-conservatives-are-15-states-away-from-an-unprecedented-re-write-of-the-constitution/ar-AA10bzeP

I'm terrified by idiots like Taylor but feel they have a long way to go before they're successful.

[OLDMDDEM]

1. Wouldn't this require at least a 2/3 vote to become part of the constitution?

[regnaD kciN]

2. Yes, it would...

Something alarmists always fail to mention is that the results of such a gathering are no different from a standard proposed amendment – they still have to be ratified by a supermajority of states.

[OLDMDDEM]

7. Then I wont worry about it.

[Demsrule86]

4. Yes...

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. 3/4 of state legislatures (38 states) must ratify any amendment for it to take effect. Nt

[brooklynite]

3. This story pops up periodically with no anctual change in developments...

They’re always “just a few States away”….

[Moostache]

5. The only outcome from that would be a second Civil War.

There would be counter proposals to amend the Constitution as well...not just conservative nonsense about small government (except for the department of Uterean Inspection and Pregnancy Tracking)...

Slavery? 3/5ths of a person? No franchise to non-white, non-male, non-property holders?
Its a shit idea from shittier people. May they all circle the great septic tank in the dirt soon.

[LonePirate]

6. We cannot overstate how much of a threat this is to the country.

They want to massively curtail if not rescind the 1st, 9th, 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments if not many others. They want to add new amendments ranging from forced birth, a national religion, mandatory religion indoctrination in school, the removal of pretty much all civil rights and environmental regulations. Basically, imagine the worst possible right wing hellhole of a country and these people want to make the US even more extremely right wing than that. It would literally destroy the country and start a new civil war on the spot. We must do everything we can to prevent this convention from happening.

[comradebillyboy]

8. Only 15 states, eh? I don't see how it will happen.

They need 38 states consent to pass any amendment. There won't ever be 38 red states to do that.

[moose65]

12. That was my thought too

If it was one or two states, sure - that would be time to panic. But.......15 states? That's a tall order, since that's 30% of all the states.

[karynnj]

18. Agree, the other way to look at is do we have 13 states we can count on. I think so.

[walkingman]

9. I wonder, is this based on a religious segment of our society? Or some other criteria?

I notice that almost all the negative movement (or what I consider negative) always involved the "Bible Belt". Or is it voters from the former Confederacy?

There has got to be a common factor - why are these groups always at the center of dumbass?

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. I'm not worried- they need 15 more states to call a convention, but need 18 to amend

That’s not going to happen.

There’s only 8 gray states on that map, so it’s mathematically impossible unless 7 of 15 orange states that have already rejected the convention reverse their position.

The linked article doesn’t even attempt to suggest which 15/18 state legislatures would sign on.

[Runningdawg]

13. They aren't that patient. There will be a civil war before a CC.

[Mad_Machine76]

14. Question

*If* hypothetically a CC is called, what is the structure of it? Who participates in it? What are the rules for it? Seems like there is an appalling vagueness about the process for something so important as a CC.

[walkingman]

15. This excerpt from a WP article discusses some of the issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/21/a-constitutional-convention-could-be-the-single-most-dangerous-way-to-fix-american-government/

Under the Constitution, if two-thirds of state legislatures call for a convention to amend it, one must be convened. Some of those pushing for a convention say that 24 of the needed 34 legislatures have approved such resolutions. Advocates of a convention have targeted more than a dozen other states and are developing lobbying campaigns to push for such resolutions there.

The Constitution sets no rules for how a constitutional convention would work. What standards determine whether 34 states have called for a convention? Do all resolutions that state legislatures have ever passed count — even if they called for conventions on very different topics, or were passed 50 or 100 years ago, or were later rescinded, as some have been? Oklahoma, for instance, passed a resolution in 1976 calling for a convention but rescinded it in 2009, citing concerns about throwing the Constitution wide open to unknown changes; some proponents argue that Oklahoma should still count anyway. Can that be right? The Constitution is silent on all of these issues.

That’s just the start. If a convention were called, how many delegates would each state get, and how would they be selected? How long could the convention last? The Constitution provides no guidance on those questions either.

Constitutional law experts generally agree that it would be up to Congress to decide these issues. The president has no role, and with no legal guideposts, the courts probably would decline to intervene. Given the high stakes involved, these issues could generate intense partisan division and acrimony, and Congress could make decisions on them on a highly partisan basis.

Our country faces enough problems and division. We don’t need to add to them and inflame an already toxic political environment by placing at risk the constitutional structure that has served us well for more than two centuries — and heading into dangerous, unknown territory by convening a convention to rework the Constitution.

[Mad_Machine76]

16. Thanks

sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen. I also just learned today that there is a less visible progressive push for a CC as well.

[Samrob]

17. More Dem Governors and State legislators needed. Call to ACTION!! GOTV

After we gain about 6 of those already approved, let them go for it!