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*****BREAKING*****US KILLS AL QAEDA LEADER AL-ZAWAHRI IN DRONE STRIKE IN AFGHANISTAN (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 OP
I want to hear him on the counter-terrorism at home malaise Aug 2022 #1
THAT. We are sick of them roaming free/doing more damage. Brainfodder Aug 2022 #9
Seems unnecessary in Kingston. BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #2
Ayman al-Zawahiri was bin Laden's mentor and 2nd in command, this is a massively BFD Celerity Aug 2022 #14
Thank you Celerity...I did not know this...excellent. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #16
Oh--so he wasn't 'leader of the month' Kingofalldems Aug 2022 #17
he was a co-founder of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (assassination of Anwar Sadat in 1981), then went to Celerity Aug 2022 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #26
Delete it then. Kingofalldems Aug 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #31
Very good. Kingofalldems Aug 2022 #33
oh, it is ok, MSNBC led with his name when it first broke Celerity Aug 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #32
yep, the single biggest terrorist in terms of history and symbolism left on the planet until now Celerity Aug 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #37
I should have qualified that in terms of Jihadist terrorists, PUTIN is the world's biggest terrorist Celerity Aug 2022 #46
Yep. Pretty sure you know who this guy WAS. :) Hortensis Aug 2022 #39
Post removed Post removed Aug 2022 #19
Yawn....We have blown that country up for 20+ years. Time to pay attention to Domestic Terrorism. walkingman Aug 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2022 #4
Or, guys they sent here to learn how to fly a plane, GoCubsGo Aug 2022 #10
:) Oh, gee, I forgot those. Cyber warfare from afar also? Hortensis Aug 2022 #43
Agreed. It's all about money for "defense" contractors. TheBeam19 Aug 2022 #5
"defense" contractors gotta eat too discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #6
Did we get the No. 2 man again? Sneederbunk Aug 2022 #7
No, we got "Top" al-Qaeda leader.... "Top" is the most common name of terrorists 4139 Aug 2022 #11
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2022 #8
Interesting... Ohio Joe Aug 2022 #12
He' probably saying I wish that drone had not killed me. Autumn Aug 2022 #62
Local news snowybirdie Aug 2022 #13
Good. TheProle Aug 2022 #15
Thank you. Jesus DU, enjoy a win. underpants Aug 2022 #18
I'm not going to look a dead terrorist in the mouth. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 #21
underpants Aug 2022 #24
I know, right? TheProle Aug 2022 #22
Amen. Itchinjim Aug 2022 #25
Embarrassing how many DUers don't know who this is DrToast Aug 2022 #20
+1 n/t FreeState Aug 2022 #23
very depressing, this bloke is an incredibly important player for 40+ years and bin Laden's mentor Celerity Aug 2022 #34
Twenty years ago, I recall someone quite knowledgeable stating that Bin Ladin bullwinkle428 Aug 2022 #47
Yes, bin Laden's first major fatwah was 1996, but when Ayman al-Zawahi came on board in 1997/98 Celerity Aug 2022 #54
This thread is full of embarrassing takes. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #58
This President Biden's Bin Ladin moment LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #30
+1 Celerity Aug 2022 #38
This is why President Biden will be speaking to the nation tonight at 7:30 PM. sarcasmo Aug 2022 #35
Even Fox News is impressed LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #40
This is definitely a huge deal! liberalguilt57 Aug 2022 #41
Poor choice of camouflage. usonian Aug 2022 #42
Awesome news!!! beaglelover Aug 2022 #44
On WAPO but it won't let me copy. lindysalsagal Aug 2022 #45
I hate to spoil everyone's good time gratuitous Aug 2022 #48
Terrorists don't get rights Tarc Aug 2022 #50
I saw something about he was still making his BootinUp Aug 2022 #53
Killing a combatant on the battlefield is not and has never been "extrajudicial". NYC Liberal Aug 2022 #55
How does Afghanistan qualify as a battlefield? gratuitous Aug 2022 #56
Yes. Tarc Aug 2022 #67
And I hate to tell you this BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #64
We are out of Afghanistan! What h! Lady Freedom Returns Aug 2022 #49
You don't really know much about Joe Biden, then. Tarc Aug 2022 #51
And now Putin is going to make us pay. Lady Freedom Returns Aug 2022 #52
We don't do the bidding of fascists Tarc Aug 2022 #66
The news media were wrong about Biden's withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #59
What smells wrong? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 #61
Smells like dead terrorist to me. BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #63
Yet Hair Twitler, the leader of the Republican terrorist organization, walks free. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #57
good rockfordfile Aug 2022 #60

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
9. THAT. We are sick of them roaming free/doing more damage.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:41 PM
Aug 2022

Scheming, always delaying, and of course a large helping of GROSS mixed in.

That grave thing, if true, that is so low, he is going to need a row of gold toilets around his coffin with a integrated system taking in all the golden love he is due!?!

How difficult is it to HOLD the tippy top tier asshole as flight risk?


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Celerity

(43,579 posts)
27. he was a co-founder of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (assassination of Anwar Sadat in 1981), then went to
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:06 PM
Aug 2022

Afghanistan on the 1980's (met bin Laden in 1986) and rolled his group into bin Laden's Al-Qaeda.

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Celerity

(43,579 posts)
36. yep, the single biggest terrorist in terms of history and symbolism left on the planet until now
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:17 PM
Aug 2022

a huge win for Biden!

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Celerity

(43,579 posts)
46. I should have qualified that in terms of Jihadist terrorists, PUTIN is the world's biggest terrorist
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:19 PM
Aug 2022

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Yep. Pretty sure you know who this guy WAS. :)
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:19 PM
Aug 2022

What must have gone into keeping him alive and active since the 1990s while the world hunted him! Impressive that he managed to live half this long.

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GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
10. Or, guys they sent here to learn how to fly a plane,
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:43 PM
Aug 2022

with no interest in learning how to land them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. :) Oh, gee, I forgot those. Cyber warfare from afar also?
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:36 PM
Aug 2022

State-sponsored terrorism has far greater capabilities than private. Under a worst-case but possible grid-destruction scenario presented to congress some time ago, 99% of Americans would be dead at the end of a year.

Maybe we need to chew both foreign and domestic gum at the same time -- for our lives.

4139

(1,893 posts)
11. No, we got "Top" al-Qaeda leader.... "Top" is the most common name of terrorists
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:44 PM
Aug 2022

as common as bill, bob, Joe and John combined

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
8. .
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:38 PM
Aug 2022
https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2021-10/understanding-drones

The cost per flight hour varies by type of drone, but the larger armed systems such as the Global Hawk cost up to $18,591 per hour.

The total costs of the U.S. drone program are difficult to assess. Funding is spread across many different legislative line items and is often not clearly marked. Expert estimates differ on the annual cost of the program. According to the Bard College Center for the Study of the Drone, the Department of Defense requested approximately $9.39 billion for drones and associated technologies in the fiscal year 2019 budget. The Stimson Center assessed the administration’s request at $3.4 billion for drone procurement, research, development, testing, and evaluation.

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In post-9/11 war zones, drones have been used to target members of non-state organized armed groups that the U.S. has been engaged in armed conflict with, such as ISIS in Iraq and Syria and al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

But beyond the context of armed conflict, the U.S. government uses drones to target people on a “kill list” who the administration considers to be “high-value” targets and who may or may not be in an active war zone. Drones are also used to conduct “signature strikes” based on vaguely defined, suspicious patterns of an individual’s behavior. Upon closer inspection, the rationale often crumbles. For example, a January 2018 strike in Yemen appears to have mistakenly targeted a 70-year-old farmer and his younger relative.

U.S. drone surveillance footage has also misidentified civilians as terrorist targets. An August 2021 strike in Afghanistan mistakenly targeted an innocent man and his nine family members, including seven children.

Celerity

(43,579 posts)
34. very depressing, this bloke is an incredibly important player for 40+ years and bin Laden's mentor
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:14 PM
Aug 2022

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
47. Twenty years ago, I recall someone quite knowledgeable stating that Bin Ladin
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:50 PM
Aug 2022

wasn't capable of organizing a 2-camel caravan - he needed someone that possessed "strategic evil genius", if you will, and Al-Zawahiri brought that.

Celerity

(43,579 posts)
54. Yes, bin Laden's first major fatwah was 1996, but when Ayman al-Zawahi came on board in 1997/98
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 10:39 PM
Aug 2022

you had, in rapid succession, (after the 2nd major (it was a universal call for all Muslims to wage jihad versus the US, Israel, and their proxies, the infamous 'Jews and Crusaders') fatwah of 1998), the 2 massive embassy bombings in 1998 in Kenya and Tanzania, then the USS Cole attack in 2000, and finally, the granddaddy, 9/11. The 1993 WTC attack was not an official al-Qaeda operation.


https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt


Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

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The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since Allah made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbours, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighbouring Muslim peoples. If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation. So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbours.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighbouring Arab state, and their endeavour to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

snip

On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."


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We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

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W_HAMILTON

(7,875 posts)
58. This thread is full of embarrassing takes.
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 12:13 AM
Aug 2022

If people wonder why we have such a difficult time winning otherwise winnable elections, look at the Debbie Downers in this thread.

Holy shit, we take down the #1 guy of an organization that orchestrated the worst terrorist attack in our nation's history -- who helped plan 9/11, mind you, we've been after him this entire time -- and you have people basically shitting on Biden and his decision to take this guy out.

Newsflash: if you think this was a bad decision, you need to reevaluate your entire political beliefs, because the vast, vast, VAST majority of Americans absolutely would agree with this decision.

liberalguilt57

(89 posts)
41. This is definitely a huge deal!
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 06:20 PM
Aug 2022

This is definitely a huge deal! A lot was written about him after the 1998 embassy bombings, and again after 9/11. I’ve always thought it was amazing that he’s a doctor and a terrorist. He has been on the FBI’s most wanted list for decades. I almost can’t believe this is happening.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
48. I hate to spoil everyone's good time
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 09:32 PM
Aug 2022

But I still don't think the extra-judicial execution of anyone is a cause for celebration.

BootinUp

(47,200 posts)
53. I saw something about he was still making his
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 10:24 PM
Aug 2022

evil videos and there are probably some that were made there and yet to be released.

Also it was a violation of our agreement with the Taliban for him to be there.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
56. How does Afghanistan qualify as a battlefield?
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 11:55 PM
Aug 2022

And would that rationale extend to anywhere in the United States should Al Qaeda decide to take the battle to us?

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
49. We are out of Afghanistan! What h!
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 09:53 PM
Aug 2022

We can't go in and do this kind of thing sence we left. And why would we endanger what respect we are working to restore with the world like this? Russia will use this against us to try and justify what they are doing to Ukraine with this.

Biden is smarter than this. Something smells wrong.....

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
51. You don't really know much about Joe Biden, then.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 10:11 PM
Aug 2022

The Taliban were violating the Doha Agreement by sheltering the most wanted terrorist in the world in Kabul.

They fucked around and found out, and so did Ayman al-Zawahiri.

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