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babylonsister

(171,102 posts)
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:34 PM Aug 2022

Red State Panels To Decide When Women Are Close Enough To Death To Justify Abortion

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/08/red-state-panels-decide-when-patients-are

Red State Panels To Decide When Women Are Close Enough To Death To Justify Abortion
Found the death panels!
By Conover Kennard — August 1, 2022


Anti-choice zealots somehow believe that women and their doctors will lie to exploit an exception for the patient's health. So they came up with extremely narrow exceptions for the patient's life, requiring imminent death before terminating the pregnancy is legal. I never want to hear some right-wing ghoul call themselves "pro-life" again. When Roe was overturned, my first reaction was, "women will die," and here we are. Most of us saw that coming.

Via Slate:

After Roe's fall, ethics committees are taking on a new responsibility: determining whether a pregnant patient suffering a medical emergency may lawfully obtain an abortion. This task is actually a throwback to the 1960s and early 1970s, when states required hospitals to use "abortion committees" that decided when a pregnancy was dangerous enough to merit termination. The Supreme Court struck down those laws in a companion case to Roe, finding them "unduly restrictive of the patient's rights and needs." That decision, of course, has now been overturned. So, in 2022, committees formed for different purposes are suddenly undertaking a job that had been deemed unconstitutional since 1973: giving an up-or-down vote on an emergency abortion.


How did we get here?

The fundamental problem facing these committees is that the current crop of abortion bans were written with the most cramped and ambiguous health exceptions imaginable. Many of these laws allow termination only in the case of a genuine medical emergency—a term that is not defined, but suggests the patient's life must be in imminent peril. GOP lawmakers have consistently rejected a broader exception for the mother's "health" on the grounds that it creates a loophole allowing "abortion on demand." The Susan B. Anthony list, a prominent anti-abortion group, has condemned any "health exception" as "a dangerous carveout" that makes "abortion available throughout all of pregnancy without any meaningful restriction."


This won't go down well:

Hospitals are thus left to interpret draconian laws that ban abortion except when necessary to "save the life" or "prevent the death" of a pregnant woman. But when is a patient sufficiently close to death to justify termination? When her pregnancy has a 10 percent chance of killing her? 50 percent? 90? That, increasingly, is a question for the hospital ethics committee.


The outlet reports that this is already taking place in Missouri, which banned abortion just minutes after the conservative-leaning Supreme Court overturned Roe. The ban has no explicit exception for ectopic pregnancies, which are nonviable and deadly if not terminated.

Women will die. The problem is that Republicans don't care. It was never about the children. It's about control, up until the minute you die.
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Red State Panels To Decide When Women Are Close Enough To Death To Justify Abortion (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2022 OP
Republican Death Panels bucolic_frolic Aug 2022 #1
Not me BlueIdaho Aug 2022 #8
Time to kick the sand in GOP's face. Every Dem needs to refer to the GOP as Party of Death Panels. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #15
Can we decide when right wing ministers can receive life saving treatment? LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #2
None of this sounds remotely wise. Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #3
It is about making women suffer and having life or death control over them. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #4
Wake up EnergizedLib Aug 2022 #5
Panels should expect lawsuits. Lots Captain Zero Aug 2022 #6
Wrongful death, malpractice... seleff Aug 2022 #7
Finally got our death panels. johnp3907 Aug 2022 #9
Dead women can't vote musette_sf Aug 2022 #10
Pregnant women can't get hired Hekate Aug 2022 #12
But their partners and surviving relatives can Retrograde Aug 2022 #14
I am only imagining that the firts consideration will be what color her skin is and whether or not ShazamIam Aug 2022 #11
Get mad as hell Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #13

TheBlackAdder

(28,227 posts)
15. Time to kick the sand in GOP's face. Every Dem needs to refer to the GOP as Party of Death Panels.
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 12:16 AM
Aug 2022

.

It worked so well when Grassley was pushing that bullshit, so it will work the same if consistent.

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LiberalFighter

(51,166 posts)
2. Can we decide when right wing ministers can receive life saving treatment?
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:40 PM
Aug 2022

Preferably when there is no heart beat.

Irish_Dem

(47,510 posts)
4. It is about making women suffer and having life or death control over them.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:43 PM
Aug 2022

The GOP enjoys this and is doing it on purpose.

Out of the Hitler/KGB/Stalin playbook.

seleff

(154 posts)
7. Wrongful death, malpractice...
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 09:11 PM
Aug 2022

Really, I can see defendants including panels, hospitals, doctors and should include legislatures, state, governors. Would be interesting to test absolute indemnity of SCOTUS itself...

Retrograde

(10,164 posts)
14. But their partners and surviving relatives can
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 12:05 AM
Aug 2022

(assuming they're eligible, of course). They can and need to vote these vultures and their enablers out of office.

Back when the ACA was passed early in Obama's presidency the Wrong Wing assured us there would be death panels. I didn't think they'd be the ones running them, though.

ShazamIam

(2,576 posts)
11. I am only imagining that the firts consideration will be what color her skin is and whether or not
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 11:14 PM
Aug 2022

the baby will be adoptable.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,480 posts)
13. Get mad as hell
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 11:56 PM
Aug 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

The radicalized Republican party is the biggest threat this country faces. They are the terrorists out to destroy our rights, freedoms, legal system, elections, and lives.

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