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https://www.vice.com/en/article/akee4e/someone-made-dollar3000-selling-3d-printed-guns-at-a-gun-buyback-eventOfficials say they are changing the rules after one man made bank at the no questions asked event in Houston.
By Janus Rose
NEW YORK, US
August 2, 2022, 11:29am
Someone walked out of a gun buyback event in Houston, Tex. with more than $3,000 after unloading a box of over 50 3D-printed guns, according to local officials and media reports.
The no questions asked event was the first of its kind in Houston, offering residents Visa gift cards of $50 - $200 for each gun they turned in. So naturally, someone used a 3D printer and freely-available schematics to fabricate dozens of so-called ghost gunsand turned a tidy profit.
News of the hustle spread on social media, along with photos of the homemade gun haul. Some of the DIY guns pictured dont even seem to be full gunsmany appear to just be lower receivers, the part of a firearm that is regulated and considered a gun under the law.
Some social media users mocked the buyback program for allowing such an obvious loophole, while others argued that using cheaply-made plastic firearms to take money from the government is good, actually.
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gay texan
(2,477 posts)Church of the Subgenuis slack right there....
DakotaSnow
(51 posts)Always a new scam.
TheBlackAdder
(28,225 posts).
If that guy is actively printing them or still has others or the specs and means to print them, then his ass is fried.
This also includes evidence that he downloaded the plans online.
Sooner or later someone will drop a dime on him.
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Zeitghost
(3,873 posts)Having plans and a printer is not a crime, neither is manufacturing ghost guns in TX and many other places.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Zeitghost
(3,873 posts)I don't see anything illegal going on.
You specifically mentioned having a printer and the plans, why would that be illegal?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)It can be illegal to 3D print guns depending on your location. You should refer to your countrys laws to see if it is legal to 3D print them. One London student was convicted for 3D printing a gun, but the laws are different in America. 3D printed guns should go off in a metal detector to satisfy federal laws.
It is not illegal to 3D print guns at home for legal use depending on your location and countries laws. However, it is illegal to sell these 3D printed guns. There is a federal law that makes illegal any gun that does not go off in pass-through metal detectors which includes plastic 3D printed guns.
Users are asked to insert a piece of metal in these types of guns to make them detectable.
As long as all relevant Fed. and state laws are followed, it is perfectly legal to print and sell 3D printed firearms.
TheBlackAdder
(28,225 posts).
https://www.gunsandpride.com/2022/04/27/its-official-atf-finalizes-and-publishes-ghost-gun-rule/
This new rule doesnt ban homemade gun kits, but it does subject these kits to the same regulations and background check requirements as other firearms.
The agency says it wont necessarily consider as firearms all unfinished frames or receivers, which could still allow the purchase of certain so-called 80-percent receivers. But if those receivers ship with dimples or jigs to assist in the machining process, that gun kit will be subject to all rules and regulations governing functioning firearms.
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The rule redefines a handgun frame as the housing or structure for the primary energized component designed to hold back the hammer, striker, bolt, or similar component prior to initiation of the firing sequence (i.e., sear or equivalent). It also redefines rifle receiver as the housing or structure for the primary component designed to block or seal the breech prior to initiation of the firing sequence (i.e., bolt, breechblock, or equivalent).
The agency is shutting down one of the primary ways law-abiding gun owners have been able to build firearms without the governments knowledge or say-so. But in another provision that has received far less media attention, the ATF is making sure that the records of those gun sales never go away.
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MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)to satisfy the ATF requirements.
Personally, I think 3D printed firearms should be banned and stiff penalties imposed for violating the ban.
But that's just me.
DakotaSnow
(51 posts)I myself don't like the idea of 3D printed firearms. But that genie is out of the bottle.
Hellbound Hellhound
(76 posts)Doesn't have to work, doesn't have to be capable of firing ammunition, just needs to look like a gun and they get money. Some PVC, a few bits of metal and piping, and a slamfire breach: Instant profit of $48 (at the lowest end) for a $2 investment.
Kind of hard to argue with turning in a hundred or so of those for a "Free" $4800, all on the government's dime. Guranteed, the seller's gonna go out and buy a Barret or something similar after that sudden cash infusion (A Barret is a .50-cal anti-armor rifle.)
As the Internet says, "It's free real estate".
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)ANd if ever caught with a gun again, charged with a felony.
DakotaSnow
(51 posts)Legal owner, legal gun, buy back. No crime committed, no felony to be charged with.
These aren't all felons with illegal guns. Plenty of average people just making some money off old crappy guns.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)That's the point.
If you sold your gun back. You sholdn't be allowed to own them again.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)But it ain't is it.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)People sell them to the government, and the same people just buy more.
counterproductive.
Dr. Strange
(25,925 posts)If you sold your gun back. You sholdn't be allowed to own them again.
Isn't the gun destroyed if you sell it? How would they "own them again"?
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)We hold a gun back. Give people government in return for getting guns off the street.
And they in turn are permitted to go out and buy new ones?
Good lord.
All that does is put MORE guns on the street.
Without a prohibition on buying more, this is simple a subsidy to the gun industry.
Dr. Strange
(25,925 posts)Without a prohibition on buying more, this is simple a subsidy to the gun industry.
Hasn't that always been a complaint against buybacks? But if you're not going to ban guns, there's nothing you can do.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)People aren't turning in working $300+ pistols for $100, then buying another $300+ pistol.
The only ones who turn a profit on these are the rare individual who gamed the system like this. Most of these guns could easily have fetched many times as much sold at a gun shop.
Zeitghost
(3,873 posts)to ensure nobody turns in guns to a buyback.
sarisataka
(18,792 posts)As "no questions asked".
A criticism from outside the gun control community is that criminals can dispose of guns they have used in crimes and get paid for doing it.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,453 posts)DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,927 posts)Pretty easy to go to the hardware store and mock up a pipe gun to sell back.