dems getting what they want in Michigan repupb house race, hope it wont come back to bite them

[msongs]

they helped finance repub right winger gibbs against incumbent repub meijer and gibbs is pulling away.
dems getting their choice but.... btw mejeir voted to impeach trump

[Kaleva]

1. Are you sure that is what Dems wanted?

[msongs]

2. dems ran ads to influence voters to support biggs -

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113659467/dccc-meijier-gibbs-michigan-gop-primary

[Kaleva]

6. That's based on a Politico article

No source is given that confirms that was the intent of DCCC to support Biggs

Edit: but you could be right too. I can't say for sure either way.

[elleng]

3. May do so. Who came up with the 'bright' idea?

[PortTack]

4. Governor Pritzker did the same in IL. This guy bailey...what a whacko!

[moonscape]

5. Yeah, remembering back when I

was glad 45 won their primary cuz it was gonna be a Hillary slam-dunk.

[prodigitalson]

7. Yeah, that was stupid

I hope it works. But the fact they did that is why I'll be focusing individual races. The DCCC literally spent money to help fascists win the GOP primary. Pretty f'd up.

[W_HAMILTON]

13. You think this ad is the DCCC supporting him?

Calling him out as an extremist Trump lackey is not supporting him and it's pathetic that so many DUers are parroting this bullshit narrative from the media.

[prodigitalson]

17. Yes nt

[W_HAMILTON]

19. So, then they should have a run an ad actually supporting him.

And then it would have meant they weren't supporting him.

That's how you think this works, huh?

Like I said, it's bullshit media narrative ignorantly propagated by people that apparently don't know any better.

[prodigitalson]

22. Are you not aware the DCCC strategy is to support supposedly

more beatable candidates in the GOP primaries?

This is an example of that.

The message of this ad is that the candidate is an extreme right winger. That is a plus not a minus in the WVa GQP primary. And it is reckless and dangerous.

Fascism needs to be stopped at every possible juncture not promoted by too-clever-by-half Washington consultants. It is sickening.

[W_HAMILTON]

25. For starters, this is a Michigan primary.

Michigan is an open primary state. That means Democrats as well as Independents can (and will) be voting in these Republican primaries.

Secondly, what exactly sort of ad do you think they should be running then? An ad *actually* supporting the more moderate Republican candidate? An ad *actually* attacking the more moderate Republican candidate? An ad *actually* supporting the extreme Trump-backed candidate?

The reverse psychology and bullshit narrative is just that -- bullshit. A Democrat calling out a Republican candidate for being too extreme and too conservative and a Trump lackey is not supporting them and I'd hope you would get that through your head before the midterms or else you are gonna think our entire party is supporting extreme Republicans over good Democrats, because most Democrats will be using those sorts of attacks -- and rightfully so.

[prodigitalson]

26. A distinction without a difference regarding the state

The Michigan GOP is equally if not more insane. And any sentient being can watch that ad and know that its message helps the fascist it is supposedly attacking. You are being purposefully obtuse.

[W_HAMILTON]

27. Oh bullshit.

Once again, calling out a fascist for being a fascist is NOT supporting them.

If a bunch of fucking fascists support someone because they are called out for being a fascist, that's ON THEM -- not on the person (or organization, in this case) that is rightfully calling them the fuck out.

Again, if Democrats ran an ad praising the fascist fucker, what would you say then? That they are attacking him? It's bullshit and you know it. You're the one being obtuse here. I don't give a fuck how lunatics receive the ad. The ad *objectively* is not supporting the candidate in question -- PERIOD.

[msongs]

9. oops posted in wrong reply - wasserman changes rating of gibbs/mejeir district

from DKos -

" I've seen enough: Trump-endorsed John Gibbs (R) defeats pro-impeachment Rep. Peter Meijer (R) in the #MI03 GOP primary and will face Hillary Scholten (D) in November.

Rating change: @CookPolitical will be moving #MI03 from Toss Up to Lean D.
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) August 3, 2022"

[AZSkiffyGeek]

11. He was saying it's a Biden +8 district

It feels like Cook's is being conservative on this. They're also calling Mark Kelly a toss-up in AZ, and I really don't see that at all. He's going to eat Masters alive.

[ColinC]

10. It's a dangerous game, but overall looking like a decent bet.

Dangerous bet, but a favorable one nonetheless.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. This is absolute bullshit.

Why are you perpetrating a false media narrative against Democrats? Here is the ad that was run:

Would you say that's supporting him, or calling out his extremism?

When Fetterman says that Oz is a favorite son of New Jersey, is that Fetterman supporting him?

[msongs]

14. purpose of ad is reverse psychology, get conservatives to vote gibbs instead of mejeir because

gibbs is more trumpian. dems think gibbs would be easier to beat in the midterm since he is more extreme

[W_HAMILTON]

15. Reverse psychology doesn't change the fact that the ad is not supportive of him.

When Republicans run ads tying Sanders, AOC, etc. to radical socialism and say that they are buddy-buddy with other Democratic candidates, is that Republicans SUPPORTING them? Of fucking course not. These bullshit media narratives about Democrats need to stop.

Nothing in that ad is wrong. The candidate in question is a Trump lackey and an extremist. Michigan is an open primary state and Republican primaries will have all sorts of political affiliations voting in them.

If you call someone a fucking fascist terrorist, and fascist terrorist lovers vote for them, that's on those lunatics -- not the people rightfully calling them out.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ad in question.

[Deminpenn]

16. I don't believe this idea Dems were trying to influence R primary voters

at all.

I read the same thing about Josh Shapiro running ads to help Mastriano win the R PA gov primary. But I live in PA and saw the ads. They were 100% negative ads about Mastriano and just how nutty he is.

Mastriano was leading the polls pretty much from the beginning which is why the state GOP tried a late effort to consolidate support behind former congressman Lou Barletta that failed.

[Kid Berwyn]

20. See the ads Democrats are funding to boost far-right Republicans

From The Washington Post:

The party reached a flash point with its recent decision to invest more than $400,000 to help the primary challenger running on Tuesday against Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.). John Gibbs has promoted the bizarre “Spirit Cooking” conspiracy theory, which claims prominent Democrats participated in satanic rituals involving bodily fluids, and baselessly denied the 2020 election results. Meijer happens to be one of just 10 House Republicans who risked their careers by voting to impeach President Donald Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/democrat-ad-spending-republican-trump/

[Deminpenn]

21. Trying to steal this seat from the Rs

but I doubt whatever the D3C spent had much of any effect at all on the outcome. If Dems win this seat, it will have been money well spent.

[Kid Berwyn]

23. I understand the logic. I prefer election integrity.

Who says what matters to me. I don’t appreciate finding out after the fact where a particular idea or candidate comes from. Same goes for donated money, given to support Democrats, being used to foist Repuglian ideology and names.

We need publicly financed elections. No outside money. Free TV, online, radio, print etc etc etc.

They don’t like it, too bad. Consider it a tax for building a civilized society.

[Torchlight]

18. Sounds serious

Good luck

[mcar]

24. "Dems bring a knife to a gunfight"*

"Why don't Dems fight more" "Dems are weak and spineless"

Democrats allegedly do something that might help them flip a House seat.

"Dems are terrible" "Why did they do this awful thing"

blah, blah, blah

*Not saying you've said these things but this is what we hear over and over. Nothing, nothing Democrats will ever do is good enough for some in the media and on social media.